Talented players actually affecting teams in Franchise mode?

[ABR173rd]

I just did a test in Offline franchise by trading 4 of my 90+ overall players in key positions to a team with a terrible record (Browns).....The players I traded to them were for draft picks because I was way over my salary cap.

The players I traded were-
Drew Bree's QB 98 ovrl
Jonathan Vilma MLB 93 ovrl
Reggie Bush RB 94 ovrl
Jabari Greer CB 95 OVrl
Marques Colston WR 95 Ovrl

All of these players except for Bush were the best players at their respective positions for the Browns.The first season Drew Bree's had horrible numbers even though he had an above average O-line and and a very good group of Receivers and RB's....The Browns went 4-12.
The second season they started out 0-4 with all the same players,and then Bree's got injured for 13 weeks and their record stands at 8-4??

With the same base players plus the guys I traded the Browns they still sucked until Bree's got injured and Colt Mccoy started?? I don't understand this logic and hopefully it is something that gets fixed in the next version of Madden. I just went over the Browns current roster and Offensively and Defensively they are and above average team yet with Bree's starting their record didn't reflect it for two seasons, now a garbage Qb comes in and it turns their record around?
Is anyone else noticing this imbalance in franchise mode?

[JaymeeAwesome]

Set in a different team environment a star player could be a dud for a new team. This isn't something madden needs to fix it's just showing you that people have up and down years

[ABR173rd]

Re: Talented players actually affecting teams in Franchise mode?

I could see that being the case just trading Bree's but not with the weapons he has on the Browns team....its unrealistic that not only he under performs but the team in general with that big of a boost especially after 2 seasons together.
That's like saying just because its the Browns no matter who's there the team will always suck. When in reality most of the terrible teams are a good QB away from putting up much better results. I believe Madden should reflect that.

[RedZoneD25]

Re: Talented players actually affecting teams in Franchise mode?

I've always felt this way. I like taking crappy teams, becoming the GM, and doing a sim-chise where I just do the FO work. I could have half of the NFC Pro Bowl roster, but finish 6-10 year in and year out. Whereas, 80% of my SBs are Patriots/Falcons. Since August, even. It's almost like there is a line of code stating which teams are going to be great and those that aren't. I don't think there is, it's just actually kind of sad how impossible it is to compete unless you literally have starters so good your backups would be Pro-Bowlers.

[ABR173rd]

Re: Talented players actually affecting teams in Franchise mode?

Yeah Ive been messing around in my last franchise dumping as many of my good players as possible onto the same team (with a bad record) to kinda simulate that franchise finally turning around. I think there was a thread already posted on how the overalls for team mean absolutely nothing in terms of a 80 overall team beating you and then you destroy a 90 overall team the following week. It would be okay if it was once in awhile but rest assured the teams in franchise who should give me a run for my money going by team overalls are always a disappointment.

[fringeelement]

Re: Talented players actually affecting teams in Franchise mode?

I'm one of those guys that controls all 32 teams and I've noticed this as well. It doesn't seem to matter how many 90+ players certain teams have, they still suck. And the Patriots and Saints are always good. Although, in my 4th and 5th years of franchise, the Broncos and Raiders came out of nowhere to make it to the Super Bowl, and the Broncos won. So, there is hope that teams can get hot. Interestingly enough, the Broncos went 4-12 the year after they won it all. Super Bowl hangover, maybe? It'll be interesting to see if they rebound in my upcoming season or if their championship was just a fluke in the sim engine.

Onthe same note, it seems that simmed stats dont accurately reflect a teams record. For instance, a team can have a top ten raanked offense in terms of yards gained and a top ten defense, but still have a losing record and vice versa.

[fhhs63]

Re: Talented players actually affecting teams in Franchise mode?

Madden should have an attribute affect slider like NHL. NHL is EASILY the best franchise game NHL has ever made. Very realistic, considering the draft pick ownership is authentic, and you can trade picks up to 6 years in advance (might be 7)!

[ABR173rd]

Re: Talented players actually affecting teams in Franchise mode?

I'm one of those guys that controls all 32 teams and I've noticed this as well. It doesn't seem to matter how many 90+ players certain teams have, they still suck. And the Patriots and Saints are always good. Although, in my 4th and 5th years of franchise, the Broncos and Raiders came out of nowhere to make it to the Super Bowl, and the Broncos won. So, there is hope that teams can get hot. Interestingly enough, the Broncos went 4-12 the year after they won it all. Super Bowl hangover, maybe? It'll be interesting to see if they rebound in my upcoming season or if their championship was just a fluke in the sim engine.

Onthe same note, it seems that simmed stats dont accurately reflect a teams record. For instance, a team can have a top ten raanked offense in terms of yards gained and a top ten defense, but still have a losing record and vice versa.

I noticed that as well with a team being number 1 in stopping the run and points allowed but record doesn't reflect it....Usually a team that leads the league in turnovers is at least .500+ yet Carolina in one of my franchise has lead the league in Int's and Fumbles yet has finished in the bottom three in standings every season.

The Browns team I was talking about has a team overall of 92 probably the best in my chise right now and they have went on an eight game win streak since both Bree's 98 overall and Mccoy 86 ovrl went out for the season with Ryan Mallet 68 ovrl starting??? Before the Brees injury they went 4-12 previous season and started out 0-4.....

[marktwain77]

Re: Talented players actually affecting teams in Franchise mode?

I play all of my games as the Bills, but even accounting for my two wins over the Patriots (1 in overtime!) they are still only 4-11 so far.

Injuries have hurt them it seems.

It's not perfect, but it seems like it makes sense for the most part. That said, even in real life "better teams on paper" don't always have the best records.

Just look at this season: San Diego and KC.

[fhhs63]

Re: Talented players actually affecting teams in Franchise mode?

^^^^^ and NE

[IgneousMold]

Re: Talented players actually affecting teams in Franchise mode?

You do realise it's Drew Brees not Bree's right? haha

[KuruptOwnz]

Re: Talented players actually affecting teams in Franchise mode?

I just tested your theory because I myself always wondered that very thing.

I traded Manning, Larry Fitzgerald, Andre Johnson, Chris Johnson 99 rated O-Linemen, etc.. to Detroit and they proceded to go 4-12, 9-7, and 6-10.

[ndeezlo]

Re: Talented players actually affecting teams in Franchise mode?

I'm one of those guys that controls all 32 teams and I've noticed this as well. It doesn't seem to matter how many 90+ players certain teams have, they still suck. And the Patriots and Saints are always good. Although, in my 4th and 5th years of franchise, the Broncos and Raiders came out of nowhere to make it to the Super Bowl, and the Broncos won. So, there is hope that teams can get hot. Interestingly enough, the Broncos went 4-12 the year after they won it all. Super Bowl hangover, maybe? It'll be interesting to see if they rebound in my upcoming season or if their championship was just a fluke in the sim engine.

Onthe same note, it seems that simmed stats dont accurately reflect a teams record. For instance, a team can have a top ten raanked offense in terms of yards gained and a top ten defense, but still have a losing record and vice versa.

I love when two teams from the AFC West play in the Super Bowl...

[BloodMeridian]

Re: Talented players actually affecting teams in Franchise mode?

I love when two teams from the AFC West play in the Super Bowl...

I think he meant 4th and 5th year it was the Broncos and Raiders "respectively".

In the second year of my Raiders franchise NE played Detroit in the SB. On any given Sunday the game can simulate a win for a crappy team.

[PGaither84]

Re: Talented players actually affecting teams in Franchise mode?

I think he meant 4th and 5th year it was the Broncos and Raiders "respectively".

In the second year of my Raiders franchise NE played Detroit in the SB. On any given Sunday the game can simulate a win for a crappy team.

You are correct. I had the same exact thing happen to me in my 49ers franchise. After a good season, of not getting hurt, Stafford along with Suh and their HB J. Best all improved in their OVR rating quite a bit. With a free agent pickup and two nice rookies, the Lions were a competitive team. It didn't hurt that they had an easy post-season run against the rams and two other teams with injured stars.