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  • Dice
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    • Jul 2002
    • 6627

    #1

    Jerry West says age is a factor for the Lakers defense

    http://sports.espn.go.com/los-angele...ory?id=6053767

    West claims that age keeps them from consistently clamping down on defense. But why is Boston still an elite defensive team? They are about as old(maybe older) than the Lakers and they are still an elite defensive team.
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  • capp34
    MVP
    • Mar 2007
    • 1313

    #2
    Re: Jerry West says age is a factor for the Lakers defense

    Boston is just a better Defensive team than the Lakers, but the age thing only matters in the regular because in the playoffs the have plenty of off days and no back to backs.
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    • jeebs9
      Fear is the Unknown
      • Oct 2008
      • 47568

      #3
      Re: Jerry West says age is a factor for the Lakers defense

      Excuse.... It's all about team philosophy... And it starts with the head coach and the assist coaches. And then it comes from your star player. From the very first day in training camp.
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      • Chrisksaint
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        • Apr 2010
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        #4
        Re: Jerry West says age is a factor for the Lakers defense

        Heh age effects different players in different ways. I expect them to play better in the playoffs with more days off,etc but I'm not sure if they are as great as they were in the past few years.
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        • jeebs9
          Fear is the Unknown
          • Oct 2008
          • 47568

          #5
          Re: Jerry West says age is a factor for the Lakers defense

          The other day.. I was watching their game vs Thunder. Even though they put Kobe on Westbrook. Westbrook still had his way lol. I still feel it's an excuse.
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          • capp34
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            • Mar 2007
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            #6
            Re: Jerry West says age is a factor for the Lakers defense

            Kobe cant keep quick guards in front of him anymore. How is age an excuse its a fact the older you get the more you slow down.
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            • jeebs9
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              • Oct 2008
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              #7
              Re: Jerry West says age is a factor for the Lakers defense

              So please explain the Celtics then.... Those guys have to be all older than 32...Right?

              You watch some of the Lakers defensive rotations. That's not being old. The effort is just not there. And like I said before. I blame the coach.
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              • capp34
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                • Mar 2007
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                #8
                Re: Jerry West says age is a factor for the Lakers defense

                Originally posted by jeebs9
                So please explain the Celtics then.... Those guys have to be all older than 32...Right?

                You watch some of the Lakers defensive rotations. That's not being old. The effort is just not there. And like I said before. I blame the coach.
                They are a just better Defensive team period always have been always will be.
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                • LingeringRegime
                  Hall Of Fame
                  • Jun 2007
                  • 17089

                  #9
                  Re: Jerry West says age is a factor for the Lakers defense

                  Celtics seem to take pride in playing great defense. Lakers only play defense in the playoffs, or against marquis teams during the regular season when they have to.

                  Problem is this year they don't look as good as they have in the last few. I will be surprised if they have Home Court Advantage during the playoffs this year. They have become a victim of their own success.

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                  • PrettyT11
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                    • Jul 2008
                    • 3220

                    #10
                    Re: Jerry West says age is a factor for the Lakers defense

                    While both the Lakers and the Celtics are older teams there is a difference between the two defensively. For one as a whole the Celtics are just a better defensive team but when you break it down it goes deeper than that. For one the Celtics have Rondo who is a young PG who plays the passing lanes very well and can keep up with the quick PG's of the league. Derek Fisher can not. That is why the Lakers have to try and put Kobe on the guys like Westbrook simply because Fisher can't keep up.

                    Then more importantly the key to the Celtics defense is KG. KG even with the age and knees is a far beter defender than Gasol. KG can defend multiple positions and with his skills can play a CF type guy in a zone. The when Bynum is out hurt Gasol has to bang with the center's which takes away from the Lakers length and wears them down. Even with all the injuries Boston has had they still have more big bodies to throw at teams and keep KG from having to bang all the time. That doesn't even include Perkins who is a top defender at the center position as well. When fully heathly nobody will have the type of big bodies the Celtics have.

                    Those two points there seperate Boston from LA on the defensive end.

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                    • capp34
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                      • Mar 2007
                      • 1313

                      #11
                      Re: Jerry West says age is a factor for the Lakers defense

                      Originally posted by PrettyT11
                      While both the Lakers and the Celtics are older teams there is a difference between the two defensively. For one as a whole the Celtics are just a better defensive team but when you break it down it goes deeper than that. For one the Celtics have Rondo who is a young PG who plays the passing lanes very well and can keep up with the quick PG's of the league. Derek Fisher can not. That is why the Lakers have to try and put Kobe on the guys like Westbrook simply because Fisher can't keep up.

                      Then more importantly the key to the Celtics defense is KG. KG even with the age and knees is a far beter defender than Gasol. KG can defend multiple positions and with his skills can play a CF type guy in a zone. The when Bynum is out hurt Gasol has to bang with the center's which takes away from the Lakers length and wears them down. Even with all the injuries Boston has had they still have more big bodies to throw at teams and keep KG from having to bang all the time. That doesn't even include Perkins who is a top defender at the center position as well. When fully heathly nobody will have the type of big bodies the Celtics have.

                      Those two points there seperate Boston from LA on the defensive end.
                      Great post man.
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                      • travis72
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                        • Aug 2009
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                        #12
                        Re: Jerry West says age is a factor for the Lakers defense

                        Originally posted by Dice
                        http://sports.espn.go.com/los-angele...ory?id=6053767

                        West claims that age keeps them from consistently clamping down on defense. But why is Boston still an elite defensive team? They are about as old(maybe older) than the Lakers and they are still an elite defensive team.
                        Coaching philosophy. Boston is a great defensive team because of team defense not individual defense. it helps having Rondo to pressure the ball and the Lakers don't have a guy like that do put pressure at the point. The vets on the Celtics understand there limitations and play very good team defense. Doc is also a very good defensive coach. You don't always have to be the fastest or most athletic team to play good D if you have guys that understand how to play and rotate.

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                        • Rawdeal28
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                          • Oct 2007
                          • 7407

                          #13
                          Re: Jerry West says age is a factor for the Lakers defense

                          Originally posted by PrettyT11
                          While both the Lakers and the Celtics are older teams there is a difference between the two defensively. For one as a whole the Celtics are just a better defensive team but when you break it down it goes deeper than that. For one the Celtics have Rondo who is a young PG who plays the passing lanes very well and can keep up with the quick PG's of the league. Derek Fisher can not. That is why the Lakers have to try and put Kobe on the guys like Westbrook simply because Fisher can't keep up.

                          Then more importantly the key to the Celtics defense is KG. KG even with the age and knees is a far beter defender than Gasol. KG can defend multiple positions and with his skills can play a CF type guy in a zone. The when Bynum is out hurt Gasol has to bang with the center's which takes away from the Lakers length and wears them down. Even with all the injuries Boston has had they still have more big bodies to throw at teams and keep KG from having to bang all the time. That doesn't even include Perkins who is a top defender at the center position as well. When fully heathly nobody will have the type of big bodies the Celtics have.

                          Those two points there seperate Boston from LA on the defensive end.
                          totally agree with you.

                          on top of that, Kobe's defense has been pretty bad this year. sometimes he doesnt even care to rotate and just lets his man shoot a wide open jumper.

                          im certain he and the rest will pick it up come playoff time though. since Bynum's been back the defense has been better. were gonna need Matt Barnes big time though especially in the playoffs.

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                          • ehh
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                            #14
                            Re: Jerry West says age is a factor for the Lakers defense

                            Originally posted by Dice

                            West claims that age keeps them from consistently clamping down on defense. But why is Boston still an elite defensive team? They are about as old(maybe older) than the Lakers and they are still an elite defensive team.
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                            • jeebs9
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                              • Oct 2008
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                              #15
                              Re: Jerry West says age is a factor for the Lakers defense

                              I still believe it has nothing to do with age. Whatever Kobe said... has nothing to do with it. It's all about team philosophy. Farmar and Sasha are you kidding me. Anyone notice how the Celtics lost key defensive players year in & out (Posey & Tony Allen come to mind). And they still come back and play that same nasty defense every year.
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