Banning 4-5 WR in Online Dynasty?

[cr00v]

I know it seems like a pretty Nazi move, but hear me out. A dude I played with a few months ago outlawed every WR formation except for 3 WR Normal (no Trips), and that was by far the most realistic/fun dynasty I've ever been a part of. Everyone basically ran a pro style offense and all of the games were freakin' intense as hell. A lot of close, defensive games. the only time we were allowed to run 4-5 wide were when there were less than 2 minutes remaining in the second and fourth quarters. It was great.

These formations are 100% unstoppable against someone who knows what they're doing. The CPU's AI simply cannot cover all of these receivers. I've shut down a lot of scrubs who consistently stay in a 5 wide, but against someone who is somewhat decent, there is absolutely no answer. I switched playbooks because I don't even find it fun to use. It seems like cheese to me, and I don't want that temptation in the Shotgun category.

So, should I outlaw it in my online dynasty? It's just too easy to exploit the AI. If you're really good like your stats suggest, then you can read the defense out of 2-3 WR sets. I'm sick and tired of seeing people in my OD's have their freakin' #4 WR average 11 receptions and 180 YPG. Thanks in advance.

[Pielet]

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Seems to me the problem is your people in the dynasty and not the formations themselves.

[franko3219]

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Seems to me the problem is your people in the dynasty and not the formations themselves.

I would agree. I think that their are realistic times to run 4 or 5 wide and the users should be mature enough to regulate themselves on cheese vs. sim.

[devinewon]

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This is a stunning commentary on how pathetic the defense is in this years game. Banning formations? It should NEVER come to that. but I understand why it has and its sad.

[Leon Sandcastle]

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I agree with these sets and a scrambling QB like Pryor or Robinson wow just complete BS for they are unstoppable thats why you just have to play with guys that are sim and know whats right and wrong

[209vaughn]

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Any average Joe can throw out of the 4-5 wide. DBs are too dumb in zones and the pass rush is basically useless.

[Pielet]

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Any average Joe can throw out of the 4-5 wide. DBs are too dumb in zones and the pass rush is basically useless.

Can that average joe match the running %'s a real spread team put up with 4-5 wide sets? There is the problem.

You're calling cheese what a spread team basically does. With regards to QB scrambling, the problem isn't the humans doing it, the problem is the LACK of the CPU doing it. This is how a lot of teams make their bread and butter lately on offense, including the last few national champions. Running Shot Wr4 - Spacing once in a game on 3rd and 3 is NOT cheese.

It's no different than milking the clock. The Pittsburgh Steelers would have conservative set ALL the time, yet some here call that "cheese". Just use it when its in your situational arsenal. If it's 3 min left in the half and I am getting a drive going against a human or cpu, I will use it to try and run the clock to the half. It's not cheese at all.

Yes, zone coverage sucks in this game and slots are not covered effectively. The ONLY way to combat this is to control yourself and monitor what others are doing and call them out on it. The other major problem is the over blitzing of the CPU by the aggression sliders on the coaching side. It sucks we cannot adjust them in the online dynasties.

In other words, have fun and worry about yourself. Find others who feel that way and join them in the online world.

[Dirt DiverX]

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Personally I would never resort to banning a formation in an attempt to achieve more sim stats. I think it is crap and a testament to how bad the cpu AI is if you have to go that far. We have all tinkered with sliders to help the cpu but banning formations? I think that is too far.

[Senator Palmer]

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More defensive options are needed, not a ban on 4-5 receivers.

More types of quarters coverage out of dime, like quarters man, which is in Madden. Cover 2 Buc out of Dime. Dime flat, which helps zone against short stuff, etc.

[209vaughn]

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Can that average joe match the running %'s a real spread team put up with 4-5 wide sets? There is the problem.

You're calling cheese what a spread team basically does. With regards to QB scrambling, the problem isn't the humans doing it, the problem is the LACK of the CPU doing it. This is how a lot of teams make their bread and butter lately on offense, including the last few national champions. Running Shot Wr4 - Spacing once in a game on 3rd and 3 is NOT cheese.

It's no different than milking the clock. The Pittsburgh Steelers would have conservative set ALL the time, yet some here call that "cheese". Just use it when its in your situational arsenal. If it's 3 min left in the half and I am getting a drive going against a human or cpu, I will use it to try and run the clock to the half. It's not cheese at all.

Yes, zone coverage sucks in this game and slots are not covered effectively. The ONLY way to combat this is to control yourself and monitor what others are doing and call them out on it. The other major problem is the over blitzing of the CPU by the aggression sliders on the coaching side. It sucks we cannot adjust them in the online dynasties.

In other words, have fun and worry about yourself. Find others who feel that way and join them in the online world.

It's way to easy to throw out of 4-5 WR, no matter the D. Its way to easy to get 15-25 even in OBVIOUS passing situations. The dumb DBs and useless DLine are the reason.

You probably love the Verticals play and throw it to the slot WR each time.

[N51_rob]

More defensive options are needed, not a ban on 4-5 receivers.

More types of quarters coverage out of dime, like quarters man, which is in Madden. Cover 2 Buc out of Dime. Dime flat, which helps zone against short stuff, etc.

ie create-a-play. I still dabble in HC09. If EA could port over that play creater system, update it with spread read option plays, 4-2-5 ect for college. I love watching NFL Playbook then going in and trying to design the defensive play I just saw.

Everyone knows the most common abused plays online in NCAA. It wouldn't take to long for guys to design schemes that stop that crap.

Also, we need to have the option to shade our DB's inside/outside, sit on short routes or play over the top on deep ones. Improving pass defense should be a huge priority for 12.

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[Mogar]

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It's way to easy to throw out of 4-5 WR, no matter the D. Its way to easy to get 15-25 even in OBVIOUS passing situations. The dumb DBs and useless DLine are the reason.

You probably love the Verticals play and throw it to the slot WR each time.

They should take those plays out of the game, makes passing way to easy

[MachoFantastic]

I think you should also ban formations with two WRs or less because it's too easy to run the ball out of them.

[Pielet]

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It's way to easy to throw out of 4-5 WR, no matter the D. Its way to easy to get 15-25 even in OBVIOUS passing situations. The dumb DBs and useless DLine are the reason.

You probably love the Verticals play and throw it to the slot WR each time.

It's nice the ad hominem attack you rain down.

Please google the differences between to and too. Instead of learning how its "way to easy to throw out of 4-5 WR", perhaps some English homework might help.

I digress..... Talk to the numerous folks in the online dynasty sub forums I've played. What you said could not be further from the truth. Most sane people can control themselves and not over utilize certain formations due to their propensity for success.

[209vaughn]

Re: Banning 4-5 WR in Online Dynasty?

It's nice the ad hominem attack you rain down.

Please google the differences between to and too. Instead of learning how its "way to easy to throw out of 4-5 WR", perhaps some English homework might help.

I digress..... Talk to the numerous folks in the online dynasty sub forums I've played. What you said could not be further from the truth. Most sane people can control themselves and not over utilize certain formations due to their propensity for success.

I type from a fckin iPad dude, I'm a typo machine... U mad I don't care?

You've obviously never play ranked games bc everybody immediately rush to use 4-5 WR, regardless of the situation.