was talking to my friend last night who came over for dinner and then played some video games. We played NHL for a few games, then NBA2k11, then some MLB the show. Somewhat surprisingly we played 0 games of madden 11. We used to be roomates 10 years back in college at Northeastern Univ. In 2001 we had an offline franchise with us two and our other roomate each having our own team. we played like 13 seasons. we would play all the time. I dont think we even owned another sports game. there was madden, and then there was everything else. i mean maybe we'd play some hotshots golf here and their, but that was it.
Anyhow, it got us to talking, what happened to madden? It used to be the best sports game, no questions asked, not even debatable. But now its like when you play or have friends over rarely is it the game of choice and most people want to go with one of the other sports titles out right now, for instance:
-NHL has come so far since the PS2. the game has its issues, but even then it is outstanding on all levels(gameplay, online, season/franchise). Right now its either 1 or 1a for sports games.
-NBA2K11 is unreal and has made huge improvements since the PS2 versions as well. The game play is great. You sit down and play and its fun. The gameplay and player movement is great and fluid. And it has a ton of replay value.
-MLB the Show. another unreal game. revolutionized baseball video games on nextgen consoles. Gameplay is great. even with the online lag problems, the game is super fun.
And then you have madden. Maybe its improved since ps2, Maybe its not as good in alot of areas. Their are a lot of different opinions in that aspect. but the point is, it doesnt appear to be at level of those other 3 sports games. And if it is, its certainly no longer the clear cut "it" sports game. IF anything their is a debate and at best it is very split debate. If you have to rank them popular opinion would probably be NHL,NBA, MLB and then madden. Some may even put NCAA ahead of madden on that list.
so the question is, when will madden get back to being the best, or even cemented in the top 3? Unless their is a pretty big jump in several aspects, I would say it is less then likely to happen for madden '12. The thing is, Their isnt one thing that is the "problem" with madden. Its a good game. It just hasnt revolutionized next gen sports gaming in any one area, or overall, like those other titles have.
For me personally, its either been late to the party(online co-op, online franchise), subpar with its "NextGen"implementations(online franchise web site is poor to say the least), Or Has just muddled with too many things(Constantly changing controls, adding and removing features, not having things CG versions have/had.) and probably, an issue with priorities(as madden fans are really split on whats most important).
For me, what made madden the undisputed best sports game when it was on top was:
- great intuitive controls
- you could EASILY playmaker all 11 defenders pre snap because it was quick and steam lined
- smooth player movement. wasnt stiff at all
- fun factor (tough to really pinpoint this)
- deeper playbooks
- better franchise mode(or at least one that hadnt stalled yet)
- more customization. we could do more. the EA locker allowed us to do online franchises and control every aspect. current online franchise is very restrictive
but again, that list is meaningless, because its just MY list. and im sure others differ alot. for instance, I dont care about graphics/presentation. im more gameplay/franchise. and that is really the crux of it. For EA to be the king of the hill again, they need to make major strides from A to Z in just about every aspect of the game. And whats working against them, is now expectations are getting higher because other sports titles are doing these things really well. for instance, NHLs co-op modes vs maddens. or NCAA's dynasty vs maddens online franchise.
The last few years, madden didnt have much competition. and while their is no other NFL licensed football game, gamers are now being pulled in many different directions with sports games that have gone from being fun 3 month titles, to year round blockbusters. Add Black Ops to NHL/NBA/MLB/NCAA and now you have 5 different games pulling gamers away from madden, raising the bar, and becoming the "it" games of this generation.
I'm sure some will disagree, and I hope people dont take this as me flaming madden. As mentioned, im a fan, i liked 2011. This is more a commentary on what it will take for madden to get back to being "theee sports game" and not just a really good sports game.
And I think it will either take major across the board improvements, or something that revolutionizes nextgen/online play.
thoughts?
Anyhow, it got us to talking, what happened to madden? It used to be the best sports game, no questions asked, not even debatable. But now its like when you play or have friends over rarely is it the game of choice and most people want to go with one of the other sports titles out right now, for instance:
-NHL has come so far since the PS2. the game has its issues, but even then it is outstanding on all levels(gameplay, online, season/franchise). Right now its either 1 or 1a for sports games.
-NBA2K11 is unreal and has made huge improvements since the PS2 versions as well. The game play is great. You sit down and play and its fun. The gameplay and player movement is great and fluid. And it has a ton of replay value.
-MLB the Show. another unreal game. revolutionized baseball video games on nextgen consoles. Gameplay is great. even with the online lag problems, the game is super fun.
And then you have madden. Maybe its improved since ps2, Maybe its not as good in alot of areas. Their are a lot of different opinions in that aspect. but the point is, it doesnt appear to be at level of those other 3 sports games. And if it is, its certainly no longer the clear cut "it" sports game. IF anything their is a debate and at best it is very split debate. If you have to rank them popular opinion would probably be NHL,NBA, MLB and then madden. Some may even put NCAA ahead of madden on that list.
so the question is, when will madden get back to being the best, or even cemented in the top 3? Unless their is a pretty big jump in several aspects, I would say it is less then likely to happen for madden '12. The thing is, Their isnt one thing that is the "problem" with madden. Its a good game. It just hasnt revolutionized next gen sports gaming in any one area, or overall, like those other titles have.
For me personally, its either been late to the party(online co-op, online franchise), subpar with its "NextGen"implementations(online franchise web site is poor to say the least), Or Has just muddled with too many things(Constantly changing controls, adding and removing features, not having things CG versions have/had.) and probably, an issue with priorities(as madden fans are really split on whats most important).
For me, what made madden the undisputed best sports game when it was on top was:
- great intuitive controls
- you could EASILY playmaker all 11 defenders pre snap because it was quick and steam lined
- smooth player movement. wasnt stiff at all
- fun factor (tough to really pinpoint this)
- deeper playbooks
- better franchise mode(or at least one that hadnt stalled yet)
- more customization. we could do more. the EA locker allowed us to do online franchises and control every aspect. current online franchise is very restrictive
but again, that list is meaningless, because its just MY list. and im sure others differ alot. for instance, I dont care about graphics/presentation. im more gameplay/franchise. and that is really the crux of it. For EA to be the king of the hill again, they need to make major strides from A to Z in just about every aspect of the game. And whats working against them, is now expectations are getting higher because other sports titles are doing these things really well. for instance, NHLs co-op modes vs maddens. or NCAA's dynasty vs maddens online franchise.
The last few years, madden didnt have much competition. and while their is no other NFL licensed football game, gamers are now being pulled in many different directions with sports games that have gone from being fun 3 month titles, to year round blockbusters. Add Black Ops to NHL/NBA/MLB/NCAA and now you have 5 different games pulling gamers away from madden, raising the bar, and becoming the "it" games of this generation.
I'm sure some will disagree, and I hope people dont take this as me flaming madden. As mentioned, im a fan, i liked 2011. This is more a commentary on what it will take for madden to get back to being "theee sports game" and not just a really good sports game.
And I think it will either take major across the board improvements, or something that revolutionizes nextgen/online play.
thoughts?
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