Madden ever problem, LE having more sacks than RE

[booker21]

Why is that happening?

I do have my LE to have more chance than the RE to get sacks, why is that?

I know in real life LT use to be better player than RT but in madden even if the LT has lower ratings than the RT, the LE end up with more chances than the RE to get sacks.

(Of course i`m not talking about user sacks)

[bonafied0034]

Re: Madden ever problem, LE having more sacks than RE

This is because QBs in madden tend to drift towards the right in the pocket, making it easier for LEs to get the sack instead of REs. This has been a problem for the past few years, and hopefully, they get it fixed so that QBs step up in the pocket instead of drifting side to side.

[Jarodd21]

Re: Madden ever problem, LE having more sacks than RE

Yea this has been a problem for the last few years. Hopefully they straighten this out on 12.

[adembroski]

Re: Madden ever problem, LE having more sacks than RE

The problem is a persistent one in video games in general.

One reason is that it's a lot easier to escape a right end because as a right handed quarterback, you run forward away from the RE, but toward the LE, and to back away from an LE, you're back peddling, and easy to catch.

The other reason is that the blind-side issue real life QBs deal with doesn't exist in Madden, as you have a bird's-eye view of the field.

It's a tough problem to address.

[LiquorLogic]

Re: Madden ever problem, LE having more sacks than RE

The problem is a persistent one in video games in general.

One reason is that it's a lot easier to escape a right end because as a right handed quarterback, you run forward away from the RE, but toward the LE, and to back away from an LE, you're back peddling, and easy to catch.

The other reason is that the blind-side issue real life QBs deal with doesn't exist in Madden, as you have a bird's-eye view of the field.

It's a tough problem to address.

Maybe there could be an animation where the QB has to, sort of, glance behind, or react a bit differently when evading the RE, or the DT if it's a stunt, as opposed to the LE. The slight difference in the animation would make it take just a little be longer for the QB to take off when avoiding RE. Of course there would be times when very elusive QBs react like they have eyes in the back of their head because there are players like that in reality.

[Palo20]

Re: Madden ever problem, LE having more sacks than RE

The problem is a persistent one in video games in general.

One reason is that it's a lot easier to escape a right end because as a right handed quarterback, you run forward away from the RE, but toward the LE, and to back away from an LE, you're back peddling, and easy to catch.

The other reason is that the blind-side issue real life QBs deal with doesn't exist in Madden, as you have a bird's-eye view of the field.

It's a tough problem to address.

Seems like a difficult fix.

Is there a reason why the CPU QB's always tend to drift to the right? I'd rather see the high AWR QBs really maneuver their way around the pocket as they do in real life instead of arbitrarily moving in one direction.

Also, the original question seems to be in reference to the CPU QB so is it possible to program in his "blind side?"

[Senator Palmer]

Re: Madden ever problem, LE having more sacks than RE

If I am playing against the CPU, against a QB with higher awareness, and I use the "pass" d-line audible, where the pocket forms better, I do see those QBs push up in the pocket a little better. It's the lower-rated awareness guys that I see drift or hold onto the ball because they're locked into a receiver.

I am speaking mainly from franchise mode where every player gets a slight awareness boost. In Play Now, I still see QBs, even the good ones, do some inexplicable things.

[TracerBullet]

Re: Madden ever problem, LE having more sacks than RE

The problem is a persistent one in video games in general.

One reason is that it's a lot easier to escape a right end because as a right handed quarterback, you run forward away from the RE, but toward the LE, and to back away from an LE, you're back peddling, and easy to catch.

The other reason is that the blind-side issue real life QBs deal with doesn't exist in Madden, as you have a bird's-eye view of the field.

It's a tough problem to address.

Sure is. I had one season on NCAA 11 this year where I finally had the RE get more sacks than the LE. First time that has happened for me in any football video game no matter who was on the right side.

[kmart2180]

Re: Madden ever problem, LE having more sacks than RE

This has been a problem for some time now......But I think the bigger issue is for some reason the LE always destroys the RT. Even if you move a Joe Thomas to RT he will get beat more on the right side.

I think the game rates strength/break block to high towards getting by a defender....the sole reason why someone like Isaac Supoga LE (49ers) will have more sacks then a Dwight Freeney/Julius Peppers. Its the main attributes for getting past a defender im assuming. Also 3-4 DT's get lots of sacks because of this.

If possible they gotta find a way to get the finess/quicker guys better at rushing the qb. Its like once they get locked there break block/strength is not rated high enough to create pressure. Hate seeing a Julius Peppers get stuck but Isaac Soppoga blows past his blocker.

[Palo20]

Re: Madden ever problem, LE having more sacks than RE

This has been a problem for some time now......But I think the bigger issue is for some reason the LE always destroys the RT. Even if you move a Joe Thomas to RT he will get beat more on the right side.

I think the game rates strength/break block to high towards getting by a defender....the sole reason why someone like Isaac Supoga LE (49ers) will have more sacks then a Dwight Freeney/Julius Peppers. Its the main attributes for getting past a defender im assuming. Also 3-4 DT's get lots of sacks because of this.

If possible they gotta find a way to get the finess/quicker guys better at rushing the qb. Its like once they get locked there break block/strength is not rated high enough to create pressure. Hate seeing a Julius Peppers get stuck but Isaac Soppoga blows past his blocker.

I posted this a while back:

The annoying thing about the instant swim move by the DT is that it's the opposite of how 2 gappers in the 3-4 would play the run. You will rarely see Vince Wilfork use an instant swim move and knife into the backfield. He is usually trying to "stand up" the Olineman, then trying to decide whether to move left or right after reading the play.

In the game, high block shed guys like Wilfork will use the quick swim, and while it's effective for Madden, it's unrealistic how often it happens and unrealistic for how a lot of teams are actually trying to stop the running game.

Here is Vince discussing nose tackle play from an article a couple years ago:

"I don't get sacks," Wilfork said. "I don't get tackles for losses. A 2-yard gain, for me, I like that." This is the self-deprecating attitude found in even the best nose tackles.
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[Palo20]

Re: Madden ever problem, LE having more sacks than RE

From August:

Here is one of the issues: I'll list some ratings for some of the league's best run stoppers and some of the league's best pass rushers.

There is nothing in the numbers that says the pass rushers should actually stand out in the pass rush. The way the R-Stick is supposed to work is it picks the best move (Power or Finesse) based off player ratings. Then there's the Block Shed rating. I've heard, but never seen confirmation, that it only affects running plays. I think it affects BOTH runs and passes.

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I highlighted each guys best move. So since each player will use their best move, what's the difference between say Rogers and Freeney? Rogers has 97 Power move and Freeney has 97 Finesse. So Rogers is just as likely to beat his man as Freeney is on a pass rush.

Now the only difference is SPD and ACC. While Freeney clearly dwarfs Rogers in both categories, the DTs are closer to the QB the way he sets up in the pocket. The DEs seem to have so far to run to the QB while the DT always seems one step away from the QB. In both Madden '10 and '11, I've seen more sacks from DTs.

[Senator Palmer]

Re: Madden ever problem, LE having more sacks than RE

Sure is. I had one season on NCAA 11 this year where I finally had the RE get more sacks than the LE. First time that has happened for me in any football video game no matter who was on the right side.

I, too, was also able to get my RE to outperform my LE in NCAA 11, and on Heisman, no less. Both wound up with double digit sacks. And beyond the sack numbers, the pressures and disruptive play along the line was consistent. Not quite sure what it is, but my guys on the d-line at least played to their ratings better in NCAA than in Madden.

In Madden, I got to year three in my franchise and traded for Jason Pierre-Paul, who by that point had progressed to a 99 FMV. He was M.I.A. as a Right End. Even when I matched him up against tackles that had like a 79 PBF, he still was non-factor.

[Senator Palmer]

Re: Madden ever problem, LE having more sacks than RE

The DEs seem to have so far to run to the QB while the DT always seems one step away from the QB. In both Madden '10 and '11, I've seen more sacks from DTs.

Tell me about it. 3-4 ends or 4-3 tackles always it up. Although, I just completed a season in which a RE from a team I wasn't controlling led the league with 29.5 sacks, and his PMV/FMV ratings weren't through the roof.

When I am on defense, though, I don't get the consistent interior push that I would like, but my DT on the left side is a lot more effective. In fact, he's led my team in sacks for the past few seasons. Conversely, I played as the Vikings a few times just to see if I could work a dominating line and I saw Pat Williams as the right DT attempt a spin move and get pushed right on his big butt. Why Pat Williams is attempting a spin move, I have no idea.

I'd be interested to know if there's anything code-wise going on with that left side vs. the right.

[kmart2180]

Re: Madden ever problem, LE having more sacks than RE

From August:


<TABLE style="WIDTH: 200pt; BORDER-COLLAPSE: collapse" border=0 cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width=266><COLGROUP><COL style="WIDTH: 48pt" span=3 width=64><COL style="WIDTH: 56pt; mso-width-source: userset; mso-width-alt: 2706" width=74><TBODY><TR style="HEIGHT: 15pt" height=20><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM-COLOR: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP-COLOR: #f0f0f0; WIDTH: 96pt; HEIGHT: 15pt; BORDER-RIGHT-COLOR: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT-COLOR: #f0f0f0; mso-ignore: colspan" class=xl63 height=20 width=128 colSpan=2>Run Stoppers</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM-COLOR: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP-COLOR: #f0f0f0; WIDTH: 48pt; BORDER-RIGHT-COLOR: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT-COLOR: #f0f0f0" width=64></TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM-COLOR: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP-COLOR: #f0f0f0; WIDTH: 56pt; BORDER-RIGHT-COLOR: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT-COLOR: #f0f0f0" width=74></TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 15pt" height=20><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM-COLOR: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP-COLOR: #f0f0f0; HEIGHT: 15pt; BORDER-RIGHT-COLOR: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT-COLOR: #f0f0f0" class=xl63 height=20>Player</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM-COLOR: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP-COLOR: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT-COLOR: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT-COLOR: #f0f0f0" class=xl63>Power</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM-COLOR: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP-COLOR: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT-COLOR: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT-COLOR: #f0f0f0" class=xl63>Finnesse</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM-COLOR: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP-COLOR: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT-COLOR: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT-COLOR: #f0f0f0" class=xl63>Block Shed</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 15pt" height=20><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM-COLOR: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP-COLOR: #f0f0f0; HEIGHT: 15pt; BORDER-RIGHT-COLOR: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT-COLOR: #f0f0f0" height=20>Wilfork</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM-COLOR: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP-COLOR: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT-COLOR: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT-COLOR: #f0f0f0" class=xl63 align=right>92</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM-COLOR: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP-COLOR: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT-COLOR: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT-COLOR: #f0f0f0" align=right>70</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM-COLOR: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP-COLOR: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT-COLOR: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT-COLOR: #f0f0f0" align=right>97</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 15pt" height=20><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM-COLOR: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP-COLOR: #f0f0f0; HEIGHT: 15pt; BORDER-RIGHT-COLOR: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT-COLOR: #f0f0f0" height=20>Hampton</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM-COLOR: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP-COLOR: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT-COLOR: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT-COLOR: #f0f0f0" class=xl63 align=right>93</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM-COLOR: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP-COLOR: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT-COLOR: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT-COLOR: #f0f0f0" align=right>52</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM-COLOR: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP-COLOR: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT-COLOR: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT-COLOR: #f0f0f0" align=right>98</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 15pt" height=20><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM-COLOR: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP-COLOR: #f0f0f0; HEIGHT: 15pt; BORDER-RIGHT-COLOR: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT-COLOR: #f0f0f0" height=20>Rogers</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM-COLOR: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP-COLOR: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT-COLOR: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT-COLOR: #f0f0f0" class=xl63 align=right>97</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM-COLOR: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP-COLOR: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT-COLOR: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT-COLOR: #f0f0f0" align=right>68</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM-COLOR: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP-COLOR: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT-COLOR: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT-COLOR: #f0f0f0" align=right>98</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 15pt" height=20><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM-COLOR: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP-COLOR: #f0f0f0; HEIGHT: 15pt; BORDER-RIGHT-COLOR: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT-COLOR: #f0f0f0" height=20>Jenkins</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM-COLOR: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP-COLOR: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT-COLOR: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT-COLOR: #f0f0f0" class=xl63 align=right>94</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM-COLOR: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP-COLOR: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT-COLOR: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT-COLOR: #f0f0f0" align=right>69</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM-COLOR: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP-COLOR: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT-COLOR: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT-COLOR: #f0f0f0" align=right>94</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 15pt" height=20><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM-COLOR: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP-COLOR: #f0f0f0; HEIGHT: 15pt; BORDER-RIGHT-COLOR: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT-COLOR: #f0f0f0" height=20></TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM-COLOR: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP-COLOR: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT-COLOR: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT-COLOR: #f0f0f0"></TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM-COLOR: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP-COLOR: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT-COLOR: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT-COLOR: #f0f0f0"></TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM-COLOR: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP-COLOR: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT-COLOR: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT-COLOR: #f0f0f0"></TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 15pt" height=20><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM-COLOR: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP-COLOR: #f0f0f0; HEIGHT: 15pt; BORDER-RIGHT-COLOR: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT-COLOR: #f0f0f0; mso-ignore: colspan" class=xl63 height=20 colSpan=2>Pass Rushers</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM-COLOR: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP-COLOR: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT-COLOR: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT-COLOR: #f0f0f0" class=xl63></TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM-COLOR: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP-COLOR: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT-COLOR: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT-COLOR: #f0f0f0" class=xl63></TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 15pt" height=20><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM-COLOR: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP-COLOR: #f0f0f0; HEIGHT: 15pt; BORDER-RIGHT-COLOR: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT-COLOR: #f0f0f0" class=xl63 height=20>Player</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM-COLOR: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP-COLOR: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT-COLOR: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT-COLOR: #f0f0f0" class=xl63>Power</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM-COLOR: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP-COLOR: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT-COLOR: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT-COLOR: #f0f0f0" class=xl63>Finnesse</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM-COLOR: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP-COLOR: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT-COLOR: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT-COLOR: #f0f0f0" class=xl63>Block Shed</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 15pt" height=20><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM-COLOR: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP-COLOR: #f0f0f0; HEIGHT: 15pt; BORDER-RIGHT-COLOR: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT-COLOR: #f0f0f0" height=20>Freeney</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM-COLOR: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP-COLOR: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT-COLOR: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT-COLOR: #f0f0f0" align=right>74</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM-COLOR: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP-COLOR: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT-COLOR: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT-COLOR: #f0f0f0" class=xl63 align=right>97</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM-COLOR: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP-COLOR: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT-COLOR: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT-COLOR: #f0f0f0" align=right>72</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 15pt" height=20><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM-COLOR: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP-COLOR: #f0f0f0; HEIGHT: 15pt; BORDER-RIGHT-COLOR: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT-COLOR: #f0f0f0" height=20>Mathis</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM-COLOR: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP-COLOR: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT-COLOR: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT-COLOR: #f0f0f0" align=right>71</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM-COLOR: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP-COLOR: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT-COLOR: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT-COLOR: #f0f0f0" class=xl63 align=right>98</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM-COLOR: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP-COLOR: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT-COLOR: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT-COLOR: #f0f0f0" align=right>67</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 15pt" height=20><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM-COLOR: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP-COLOR: #f0f0f0; HEIGHT: 15pt; BORDER-RIGHT-COLOR: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT-COLOR: #f0f0f0" height=20>Allen</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM-COLOR: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP-COLOR: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT-COLOR: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT-COLOR: #f0f0f0" class=xl63 align=right>97</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM-COLOR: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP-COLOR: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT-COLOR: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT-COLOR: #f0f0f0" align=right>89</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM-COLOR: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP-COLOR: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT-COLOR: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT-COLOR: #f0f0f0" align=right>88</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 15pt" height=20><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM-COLOR: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP-COLOR: #f0f0f0; HEIGHT: 15pt; BORDER-RIGHT-COLOR: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT-COLOR: #f0f0f0" height=20>Harrison</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM-COLOR: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP-COLOR: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT-COLOR: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT-COLOR: #f0f0f0" class=xl63 align=right>97</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM-COLOR: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP-COLOR: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT-COLOR: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT-COLOR: #f0f0f0" align=right>89</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM-COLOR: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP-COLOR: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT-COLOR: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT-COLOR: #f0f0f0" align=right>97</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 15pt" height=20><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM-COLOR: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP-COLOR: #f0f0f0; HEIGHT: 15pt; BORDER-RIGHT-COLOR: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT-COLOR: #f0f0f0" height=20>Dumervil</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM-COLOR: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP-COLOR: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT-COLOR: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT-COLOR: #f0f0f0" align=right>91</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM-COLOR: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP-COLOR: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT-COLOR: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT-COLOR: #f0f0f0" class=xl63 align=right>99</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM-COLOR: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP-COLOR: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT-COLOR: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT-COLOR: #f0f0f0" align=right>83</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

Sadly the only numbers that truely matter on that chart are the Block Shed ones. I messed around with this and gotten results but its to0 time consuming to edit the whole league. But if you reverse the numbers for finess rushers to these dt's it works out well. Basically lowering dt's block shed and raising De's block shed.

Its weird how block shed controls finess/power moves. Why a 3-4 Nt would even attempt a swil move right at the snap.......hope this gets fixed cause this will help the qb and pocket forming also. Its close to impossible to step up cause the dt's are pressuring you right from the get go.

[Hooe]

Re: Madden ever problem, LE having more sacks than RE

If the CPU quarterback had a concept of what it could "see", I think that implementing this would be a lot easier. I'm not sure how EA would implement this without some sort of concept of passing progressions (which may or may not already exist, it's unclear) which the CPU QB could go through. Restricting what players the CPU uses to determine whether a quarterback feels pressure to only ones not on its blind side wouldn't be that hard, I don't think; surely EA already has the CPU quarterback reading pressure all around it somehow.

There also needs to be a way to differentiate how CPU QBs react to pressure, where they favor simply moving about in the pocket (Tom Brady), attempting to scramble to buy time to pass (Tony Romo), or simply tucking and running (Michael Vick). Based on the setting, the CPU QB would ideally run a different AI routine when it "felt pressure". I get the impression this could be easily assigned with a player tendency which is new to the game this year, though the AI implementation for each situation would obviously be more challenging.