Why AREN'T specific positions in NCAA?

[WipeOut464]

Not hating, but think about it - is there a good reason why true positions aren't in the game?

Strongside LB, Weakside LB, Joker/Mo LB, Nose Tackle, Slot Receiver, etc. These are fundamental components of true football and have never been implemented in the 10 year history of modern console football. Can it possibly be that complicated?

My money says that their use would be too sim and scare away the casual crowd. And that's where EA makes their money. Again, not hating on EA here, but c'mon, true positions would be killer.

[reco]

Re: Why AREN'T specific positions in NCAA?

would love to see this in the game!

[IndyColts2]

Re: Why AREN'T specific positions in NCAA?

Prolly cause the "casual" fan may not know the meaning of all the true positions so they just use a general name that people know for each one. I feel like they should put the true positions in, but only have them appear when you are playing on heisman, or atleast give us the option to turn them on.

[TMJOHNS18]

Re: Why AREN'T specific positions in NCAA?

Some of those positions could be added, but since the focus is more on a broad audience I think they prefer to keep it short and simple.

If they would simply add a toggle to switch between simple and advanced depth charts, then that would be nice (and could include special team chart in adv). Or, they could add more specific positions in the depth chart replacing the 1,2,3,4 slots.

Under WR you could have #1, #2, Slot, etc, CB could include nickle in the list, and so on. Would be nice to even designate players for passing or running plays, since EA does include 3rd down running back designation.

Another factor too is, not all defensive have the same positions (4-3 doesn't have a NT), so EA would have to accommodate different depth charts for different positions. Granted, I don't think NT have the right effect in the game anyway.

[Electronic fArts]

Re: Why AREN'T specific positions in NCAA?

is there a good reason why true positions aren't in the game?

Nope. Not one good reason.

[hkwforAUTigers]

Re: Why AREN'T specific positions in NCAA?

Nope. Not one good reason.

never is lol

[bkrich83]

Re: Why AREN'T specific positions in NCAA?

Some of those positions could be added, but since the focus is more on a broad audience I think they prefer to keep it short and simple.

If they would simply add a toggle to switch between simple and advanced depth charts, then that would be nice (and could include special team chart in adv). Or, they could add more specific positions in the depth chart replacing the 1,2,3,4 slots.

Under WR you could have #1, #2, Slot, etc, CB could include nickle in the list, and so on. Would be nice to even designate players for passing or running plays, since EA does include 3rd down running back designation.

Another factor too is, not all defensive have the same positions (4-3 doesn't have a NT), so EA would have to accommodate different depth charts for different positions. Granted, I don't think NT have the right effect in the game anyway.

Right. I'd love to have a depth chart for customizable player groupings. Even simple one. Like one for 21 personnel, one for 12 personnel etc.

[WipeOut464]

Re: Why AREN'T specific positions in NCAA?

Some of those positions could be added, but since the focus is more on a broad audience I think they prefer to keep it short and simple.

If they would simply add a toggle to switch between simple and advanced depth charts, then that would be nice (and could include special team chart in adv). Or, they could add more specific positions in the depth chart replacing the 1,2,3,4 slots.

Under WR you could have #1, #2, Slot, etc, CB could include nickle in the list, and so on. Would be nice to even designate players for passing or running plays, since EA does include 3rd down running back designation.

Another factor too is, not all defensive have the same positions (4-3 doesn't have a NT), so EA would have to accommodate different depth charts for different positions. Granted, I don't think NT have the right effect in the game anyway.

Awesome. Toggling between the two would be perfect. It'd be just like "Ask Coach" for playcalling. Casual scrubs can keep it simple while sim players can take advantage of the increased depth. EA do this.

[Gotmadskillzson]

Re: Why AREN'T specific positions in NCAA?

I remember in the beginning when Madden 1st came out, they used real play names and over all the play calling screen was more complex.

Offense was broken into read plays, pass plays and run plays. Instead of HB dive, you had A Gap 24.

Defense was broken into blitzes, zones, Man.

However the early Madden games didn't sale to well because it was using words that your average person didn't understand and people complained the play calling process was too complicated.

So they streamlined it. Now it is just passing and running plays, color chartered. Using casual everyday words like toss, sweep.

[Knight9299]

Re: Why AREN'T specific positions in NCAA?

Not hating, but think about it - is there a good reason why true positions aren't in the game?

Strongside LB, Weakside LB, Joker/Mo LB, Nose Tackle, Slot Receiver, etc. These are fundamental components of true football and have never been implemented in the 10 year history of modern console football. Can it possibly be that complicated?

My money says that their use would be too sim and scare away the casual crowd. And that's where EA makes their money. Again, not hating on EA here, but c'mon, true positions would be killer.

Well if you had weak side & strong side the defense would have to react to the offenses formation. Add 2 tight formations and now you have to decide how to call strength. It would take some coding, but it would make the game SOOOOO much better. I'd like to see the ability to call defenses by field and boundary as well.

[thedudedominick]

Re: Why AREN'T specific positions in NCAA?

How about all the different positions in different types of defenses or offenses as well. A B-Back in an option offense is a lot different than a fullback. It would also really help the overall rating better apply to players. If I put a solid runner at the fullback position now his overall is terrible, but he is perfect to run the option with.

That is what NFL Head Coach did best, adjusting player ratings based on your schemes.

[NEOPARADIGM]

Re: Why AREN'T specific positions in NCAA?

I think it's fairly obvious the reason this stuff isn't in the game (and like how the depth chart doesn't understand what the hell a 3-3-5 is and which positions need more depth than others) is because they'd have to rewrite all the depthchart code and whatnot. And obviously that's too much work or something.

(Not meaning to bash, I just literally think it's pretty obvious.)

[Catamount53]

Re: Why AREN'T specific positions in NCAA?

I think it's fairly obvious the reason this stuff isn't in the game (and like how the depth chart doesn't understand what the hell a 3-3-5 is and which positions need more depth than others) is because they'd have to rewrite all the depthchart code and whatnot. And obviously that's too much work or something.

(Not meaning to bash, I just literally think it's pretty obvious.)

I agree. I doubt its them trying to dumb down the game, they just have other priorities and this could be a lot of work for minimal gain.

[fcboiler87]

Re: Why AREN'T specific positions in NCAA?

This conversation has been had here on the boards before. I think the consensus is that specific names are just that. They are specific to various offenses or defenses. It keeps things simple across the board by having generic names. Now, as a coach, I agree that I'd like to have specific type of names, but I could see where it would really complicate things. I'd much rather have them focus on many other things in the game.

In fact, I'd like some positional things, especially for dynasty mode purposes, be more generic. I want to land an OLB, not an ROLB. I know we can change this stuff through position changes. I'd just like to recruit a S or a T. Then when you get them on your team, you see where they fit better. But again I could see this complicating things, especially for the casual gamer.

[canes21]

Re: Why AREN'T specific positions in NCAA?

I just think have basic SAM, WILL, DB, DL could work for defense. Then on offense we have OL, Back, QB, Slot WR, WR, etc.

In real life the best 5 lineman at a school make up the offensive line. Thats how the game should be. No LG players, RG, LT, etc. Let us decide if thats the position we want the at. I know that we can basically do this now, but the CPU can't.

With something like that the CPU could have a set number for a rating and whoever has that rating and others as well plays a LT or something. Instead of them having a LT and LG on their roster, they'd go through the ratings, pick the OL who has the best pass blocking rating and put him at LT. Then they'd put their quicker guys at the G spot.