Religation and Fluid Conferences

[phily915]

I am thinking of a way to crown a national championship with religation (similar to english premier league in soccer).

I was thinking of having the top 24 teams as independents/SEC and then use the remaining conferences in a certain order to establish the next best teams. So for example:

1. Independents (#1-12)
2. SEC (#13-24)
3. Big10 (#25-36)
4. Pac12 (#37-48)
5. BigXII (#49-60)
6. Big East (#61-72)
7. ACC (#73-84)
8. Mountain West (#85-96)
9. Sun Belt (#97-102)
10. WAC (#103-108)
11. Conference USA (#109-114)
12. MAC (#116-120)

So the top 8 conferences will have 12 teams in them a piece. The independents and SEC will feature the top 24 teams each year (The following years every conference will shift based on how they finished the previous year-you can decide that based on the bowls and there tie-ins). The independents and SEC will be the only 2 leagues jockeying for the bcs championship. Both conferences will have a conference championship, then each year the BCSchampionship game will tie-in the independent#1 vs. SEC#1!!

The bottom 2 teams from each league (minus the MAC) will then shift 1 conference lower. The top 2 teams of each league will then shift upwards (minus the independents since it is the highest). You can only shift once conference each year. Meaning, if you have an undefeated year as a MAC member you cannot jump CUSA and be in the WAC.

I think this would be cool to then start as a MAC team and work your way ALLLLL the way up to finally become an awesome team. Although, you could also have it a way that if a lower conference team plays a top team in a higher conference and wins that bowl game, then they can jump up. I have only begun to think this out.

Please help me think of some things I have forgot. I realize there will still be out of conference games, so you can designate some sort of importance to them (like a big OOC win may prevent religation the following year, idk).

[Sack Attack]

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Looks good, but you're going to have to do away with divisions and lower the # of OOC games for this to work correctly. I'd also make it 12 conferences of 10 teams, for uniformity.

[Redacted01]

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Looks good, but you're going to have to do away with divisions and lower the # of OOC games for this to work correctly. I'd also make it 12 conferences of 10 teams, for uniformity.

Why would you have to do that? It's simple enough to sort teams by conference standings at the end of the year.

But I do agree with the 12/10 team rule. It would make it much more even and fair.

[Sack Attack]

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Why would you have to do that? It's simple enough to sort teams by conference standings at the end of the year.

But I do agree with the 12/10 team rule. It would make it much more even and fair.

Well I guess divisions are a moot point when there's only 10 teams, but you'd want to make every conference operate on the Pac-10 model (9 conference games), so each team plays each other every season in order to avoid a situation like this:

Team A finished the season 0-8 in conference, and is set to be relegated.
Team B finished the season 1-7 in conference, and so they are safe until next season.

Team A and Team B never played during the season.

See where that could be an issue?

I like the setup otherwise though. I'd order the conferences by in-game prestige to help with recruiting and such.

[Redacted01]

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Well he said he was moving 2 teams so no issue there haha. And there are other tiebreakers you could do.

10-team conferences makes that pointless, so hopefully OP will make the move...

[RebelHog]

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Didn't need another conference alignment thread.

http://www.operationsports.com/forum...-you-make.html

[poopoop]

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Are you sure you can set the Championship game to always have teams from two specific conferences? Otherwise I don't think this will work.

You'd end up in a bunch of situations where the team who won the 4th best conference and went undefeated would play against the team who won the 2nd best one.

Also it seems like it'd make more sense for independents to be the worst conference instead of the best.

[Redacted01]

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Are you sure you can set the Championship game to always have teams from two specific conferences? Otherwise I don't think this will work.

You'd end up in a bunch of situations where the team who won the 4th best conference and went undefeated would play against the team who won the 2nd best one.

Also it seems like it'd make more sense for independents to be the worst conference instead of the best.

Yea, it seems like his system has more holes than swiss cheese reading through it again.

There is no problem with putting the 12 best teams in the independents. Don't know what the obsession is around here with people making the independents as bad as possible.

But I did miss the part where you said you'd have ind vs. SEC. You can't send an independent automatically to a BCS game and you can't pick who goes to the title game.

[K0ZZ]

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Yeah the biggest issue is you don't get any benefit game wise from going 9-3 and leading the independents and just get a BCS game when a lower conference has a 12-0 team in the NC.

If you could control who went it would start taking shape to be a good idea, but at this point the whole relegation and fluid conferences would only be best for giving teams competition.

[poopoop]

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There is no problem with putting the 12 best teams in the independents. Don't know what the obsession is around here with people making the independents as bad as possible.

If you're going to order conferences 1-12th by strength it doesn't make sense to put independents at the top. Then the teams in the best conference wouldn't even play each other.

How do you determine who wins the independent conference when the teams don't even play a set conference schedule?

[dennis580]

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Almost positive the game will NOT let you have a conference tie-ins for the NC game. Also positive you can NOT have a conference championship game for Independents since they are NOT conference.

[He1nousOne1]

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I was thinking about doing some sort of relegation style method but I am not sure that the way the BCS standings are calculated will work well with the type of relegation system you lay out in the OP.

I was thinking more along the lines of having a minor conference connected to a major conference.

An example would be The B1G at the top then followed by the Big East then at the bottom you have the MAC conference. Top MAC team and bottom Big East team swap places and same goes with B1G and Big East bottom and top teams respectively.

You could then have the same relationship with the SEC, ACC, C-USA, Sun Belt.

Finishing off a Pac10 and WAC relationship and a Big12, Mountain West relationship.

I think such a divided system might work out better with the BCS ratings system.

[GeneralMike]

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If you're going to order conferences 1-12th by strength it doesn't make sense to put independents at the top. Then the teams in the best conference wouldn't even play each other.

How do you determine who wins the independent conference when the teams don't even play a set conference schedule?

You'd also have a problem with these teams not going to bowls, or not good bowls at least.

[TMJOHNS18]

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To add to this, you can only control 1 team right? So how on earth do you set the schedules for the top teams?

Also, like others have said, the game takes the #1 and #2 BCS ranked teams to the NC. So having the top teams as independent basically means they'll more then likely never make a NC game because for one they would have to be undeafeted, and two, there can't be more then 1 conference champ that is undeafeted.

Reason this will be hard is because NCAA game likes to put conference champs ahead of teams who don't play for conference championships. Plus, I don't know how the game ranks independent teams, but I'd assume if you relegate a decent team to a lower BCS conference they'll not only cruise through their schedule but also be chosen above an independent team (since they can still recruit well).

Granted, the only way to find out is when the game is out. Until then, this is all speculation and the only way to truly find out if this works or not is to try it first hand. Great Idea though, I was thinking of doing something similar with two 16 team conferences (all bowl tie ins against each other), but I figured theres no way to prevent the Big East or whatever other BCS conference from having an undefeated or 1 loss team messing it up because they still get bids for the NC due to their conference.

Now, if in future NCAA games you could remove or add BCS alignment to conferences, that would be cool to do. You could strip all but 2 conferences to BCS status so more then likely only they could make it to a title game.

[phily915]

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wow thanks for all the input. now that you mention it probably can't select which conferences go to the NC...bummer. so that does screw up a lot.

I did like the 12 conferences for 10 teams. but the NC blows my idea up. The game is way to limited at this point to do anything like what i suggested