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  • Heroesandvillains
    MVP
    • May 2009
    • 5974

    #1

    The Difference Between Wins & Losses (Tips)

    As MLB The Show players, we all go through our hot and cold steaks. This year, however, SCEA has brought the competitiveness to a new plane. Simply put; this game is hard.

    First, I'd like to make some points about how I play. I have NOT 'slidered' this game to death. I'm virtually playing on Default HOF (Timing Only/Meter) with CPU consistency and strike frequency dropped one click. Minus the errors sliders and stolen base sliders (pitch speed and injuries as well), I play with the rest 5.

    Currently, I'm franchising with SF. Previously, the NYY. Apart from my recent skidding (bringing my Giants team ERA to 4.50), my stats over the course of 11' have been scary realistic. As a whole (probably 100+ games), my team batting average is around .260, my ERA is around 4.00 (LOWER than my average runs per game! LOL), my extra base hits, walks, walks allowed, HR's allowed...etc, etc...are all acceptable.

    I'm just the king of losing.

    With all this said, I'm hoping to compile a list of tips to help with users that actually want to make the playoffs. Here are some things I've learned over the years:

    1. Warm up multiple relievers at the same time from the 6th inning forward. Things can unravel in a hurry...even when your starter is rolling.

    2. Know when to call it a day for your starting pitcher. If he's at 105 pitches...even if he's cruising...padding stats is not always the best alternative if you have a reliable relief pitcher ready and loose. Granted, this is a hard tip for me to follow...not taking out my starter has cost me SEVERAL victories.

    3. Don't forget about small ball, even in the AL. Relying on the big inning can be devastating. Stolen bases, sacrafice bunts, and hit and runs WILL lead to runs. Sometimes, you need to play your chips conservatively...one or two runs in an innings definitely isn't as sexy as putting up a big seven-spot, but if you want to win, you need to know when capitalize on chances to push ANY runs across the plate.

    4. Pinch runners and defensive substitutions. Pat Burrell's LF glove and slow as molasses *** has cost me more game than I care to admit. His OBP is through the roof for me...so I HATE taking him out of games...but do what needs to be done. The CPU is deadly from the 7th inning on. Don't forget to narrow down your squad in the innings that matter. Trade the bat for defense and speed. Remember Dave Robert's steal?

    5. If you need a win, remember your closer. Time and time again I've lost games in the 9th with a 4+ run lead...only to blow it and not have enough time or mound visits to get my stud up and loose.

    6. If you're in a bind on the mound, don't even think about trying to trick the CPU with an ineffective, low-confidence, pitch. With this, don't get beat on your 4 and 5 pitches. If the CPU's going to win, at least know that they man-handled your bread and butter. Nothing's worse than asking yourself, "Why the heck did I throw that?!?!??" Keep your 1-3 pitch's confidence up.

    7. Carry a long reliever on your 25 man. Sometimes, you're just gonna lose. Make sure you don't ware out your entire bullpen in the process. You still want to win tomorrow.

    Does anyone have any more to add? What do you do when your chips are down?
    Last edited by Heroesandvillains; 06-13-2011, 02:44 PM.
  • Super Glock
    Pro
    • Jul 2006
    • 776

    #2
    Re: The Difference Between Wins & Losses (Tips)

    Great post, there are some good tips in there. I think you about covered it.

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    • Heroesandvillains
      MVP
      • May 2009
      • 5974

      #3
      Re: The Difference Between Wins & Losses (Tips)

      Thanks.

      Except I always lose! LOL!

      (Scratches chin)...

      I must be missing something...

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      • ChopTalk
        Rookie
        • Jun 2011
        • 77

        #4
        Re: The Difference Between Wins & Losses (Tips)

        Can you post exactly what all you have changed? You always seem to know what your talking about in the slider discussions, I'd like to use yours.
        MLB: Atlanta Braves
        NFL: Atlanta Falcons
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        • Heroesandvillains
          MVP
          • May 2009
          • 5974

          #5
          Re: The Difference Between Wins & Losses (Tips)

          I'll PM you.

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          • ChopTalk
            Rookie
            • Jun 2011
            • 77

            #6
            Re: The Difference Between Wins & Losses (Tips)

            Thank You. Out of all your points above, I'd say that leaving my starter in too long is the one thing that kills me.

            It's hard to take the guy out when he has a shutout going, even if your only winning by 1.
            MLB: Atlanta Braves
            NFL: Atlanta Falcons
            College: Clemson Tigers

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            • Bobhead
              Pro
              • Mar 2011
              • 4926

              #7
              Re: The Difference Between Wins & Losses (Tips)

              Same here. Leaving in my starter too long is probably the reason for a third of my losses.

              Only thing I can think of is that you should always plan ahead on the mound. If you know the 7th and 8th innings are always rough for you, the 6th inning is not the time to mess around and try out a new strike out pitch. When you are pitching in the middle innings, go out of your way to stick to a certain pitch, that way you can be sure it will have full confidence in the following inning.

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              • Heroesandvillains
                MVP
                • May 2009
                • 5974

                #8
                Re: The Difference Between Wins & Losses (Tips)

                Originally posted by Bobhead
                Same here. Leaving in my starter too long is probably the reason for a third of my losses.

                Only thing I can think of is that you should always plan ahead on the mound. If you know the 7th and 8th innings are always rough for you, the 6th inning is not the time to mess around and try out a new strike out pitch. When you are pitching in the middle innings, go out of your way to stick to a certain pitch, that way you can be sure it will have full confidence in the following inning.
                This is exactly the kind of response I'm looking for.

                Will do. Next up, Barry...ugh...Zito.

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                • TheRock88
                  Pro
                  • May 2003
                  • 599

                  #9
                  Re: The Difference Between Wins & Losses (Tips)

                  Totally agree with Burrell and late game substitutions. He's cost me like 4-5 games so far in the season cause he is so dang slow on the field but he is 2nd on the team in HR's so I dont take him out unless the game is a blowout.
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                  • Heroesandvillains
                    MVP
                    • May 2009
                    • 5974

                    #10
                    Re: The Difference Between Wins & Losses (Tips)

                    Originally posted by TheRock88
                    Totally agree with Burrell and late game substitutions. He's cost me like 4-5 games so far in the season cause he is so dang slow on the field but he is 2nd on the team in HR's so I dont take him out unless the game is a blowout.
                    Tell me about it.

                    It's a really tough call for me with Burrell. I'm only like 15 games into the season or so, but he leads the NL with 11 BB.

                    But..........

                    He also committed 3 errors in one game for me!

                    Fortunately, Giants franchisers can turn to Ross or Rowand and still have a respectable bat for end of game situations.

                    That said, even this early in the season, Burrell is a flat out liability. My 6-8 would be 8-6 if I had played this differently. The same goes for all of my other franchise teams.

                    Defensive substitutions are important this year. Especially in close games. His OBP isn't worth the trade off.

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                    • DJ
                      Hall Of Fame
                      • Apr 2003
                      • 17756

                      #11
                      Re: The Difference Between Wins & Losses (Tips)

                      You gave up on Classic pitching?
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                      • ChopTalk
                        Rookie
                        • Jun 2011
                        • 77

                        #12
                        Re: The Difference Between Wins & Losses (Tips)

                        Well I just had a wonderful game. Opening day Braves at Nationals.

                        Through 3 maybe 4? (can't remember exactly) innings I'm pitching a no hitter, and only have one hit.

                        Next inning I lead off with a sharp line drive to right ( I used a power swing on the first pitch) Werth dives and it hits his glove then bounces to the wall. (First time I've ever seen that.) Triple for Dan Uggla, Next comes up Heyward, third pitchof the at bat is a hanging curveball pulled down the line and in the third deck.

                        They end up scoring the next inning on 3 hits. Then through the next few innings I get through them but give up hits and start to struggle.

                        I get to the 7th, have my bullpen ready but I have a clean inning, Plus at the top of the inning I added on a run on a double and a single.

                        I let venters come in, even though I'm sure Hudson could have done it. I strikeout two, but not before screwing up the pitching motion and laying a slider down the middle for Rodriguous to homer on.

                        Bottom of the 9th I bring in Kimbrel, (great young closer but can be iffy.) First batter slams a shot to the center field wall, I barely catch it. Next two batters strikeout on 6 pitchers.

                        The first batter I lead off with a 96 2sfb on the inside, doubled up then he chased a slider going off the plate.

                        Second batter a 95 fastball low and away, a 2sfb inside, then a perfect 80mph changeup out the zone. It just wasn't fair.
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                        • Heroesandvillains
                          MVP
                          • May 2009
                          • 5974

                          #13
                          Re: The Difference Between Wins & Losses (Tips)

                          Originally posted by DJ
                          You gave up on Classic pitching?
                          I gave up on AS! LOL!

                          Classic pitching on that level resulted in too many QS. My ERA was slightly too low for my liking (though my bullpen ERA was a disaster) and the CPU would score around 70% of their runs on HR's. Not realistic at all. I would have had to adjust more sliders. It simply wasn't worth it.

                          It's too bad, but no way I was taking Classic with me to HOF (thanks to it's wildness). Meter seemed like a happy medium, and honestly, it's wild as all Hell this year. Default HOF (with my tweaks) 'feels' like real baseball. And my stats are a dream come true.

                          Ah...I digress.

                          Hey DJ, any tips on how to close out games? I know you've probably got a few up those sleeves of yours.

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                          • Heroesandvillains
                            MVP
                            • May 2009
                            • 5974

                            #14
                            Re: The Difference Between Wins & Losses (Tips)

                            Originally posted by ChopTalk
                            Well I just had a wonderful game. Opening day Braves at Nationals.

                            Through 3 maybe 4? (can't remember exactly) innings I'm pitching a no hitter, and only have one hit.

                            Next inning I lead off with a sharp line drive to right ( I used a power swing on the first pitch) Werth dives and it hits his glove then bounces to the wall. (First time I've ever seen that.) Triple for Dan Uggla, Next comes up Heyward, third pitchof the at bat is a hanging curveball pulled down the line and in the third deck.

                            They end up scoring the next inning on 3 hits. Then through the next few innings I get through them but give up hits and start to struggle.

                            I get to the 7th, have my bullpen ready but I have a clean inning, Plus at the top of the inning I added on a run on a double and a single.

                            I let venters come in, even though I'm sure Hudson could have done it. I strikeout two, but not before screwing up the pitching motion and laying a slider down the middle for Rodriguous to homer on.

                            Bottom of the 9th I bring in Kimbrel, (great young closer but can be iffy.) First batter slams a shot to the center field wall, I barely catch it. Next two batters strikeout on 6 pitchers.

                            The first batter I lead off with a 96 2sfb on the inside, doubled up then he chased a slider going off the plate.

                            Second batter a 95 fastball low and away, a 2sfb inside, then a perfect 80mph changeup out the zone. It just wasn't fair.
                            Now THAT'S how to close out a game!!!

                            You pulled your starter at exactly the right time. You prepared your relief core, you put up some 'comfort' runs late, and you shut the door with your closer!

                            Very nice. This is great to hear.

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                            • DJ
                              Hall Of Fame
                              • Apr 2003
                              • 17756

                              #15
                              Re: The Difference Between Wins & Losses (Tips)

                              Originally posted by heroesandvillians
                              I gave up on AS! LOL!

                              Classic pitching on that level resulted in too many QS. My ERA was slightly too low for my liking (though my bullpen ERA was a disaster) and the CPU would score around 70% of their runs on HR's. Not realistic at all. I would have had to adjust more sliders. It simply wasn't worth it.

                              It's too bad, but no way I was taking Classic with me to HOF (thanks to it's wildness). Meter seemed like a happy medium, and honestly, it's wild as all Hell this year. Default HOF (with my tweaks) 'feels' like real baseball. And my stats are a dream come true.

                              Ah...I digress.

                              Hey DJ, any tips on how to close out games? I know you've probably got a few up those sleeves of yours.
                              Ride King Felix until his arm falls off. Seriously, that's about the only way I win games these days. That is with my Seattle all-Analog setup (Veteran hitting, HOF pitching, AS fielding/throwing) where I only play games that King Felix and Pineda start.

                              I'm still trying to get my settings in order for my Rockies franchise. I agree with you on Classic pitching; it's very much feast or famine.

                              Your tips on the first page are good, so not sure what I would add since I lose more games than I win.
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