Incoming Freshmen, "Other" Ratings

[Palo20]

I'd like to get a thread going for suggested ratings for freshmen, but beyond their OVR. Love to see guys play like they should in real life, and this is a good place to get all that info in one spot.

So list the "other" ratings besides OVR for these positions:

QB: SPD, ACC, AGI, AWR, THP, THA
HB: SPD, ACC, AGI, AWR, ELU, BTK, SPI, TRK, CTH
WR: SPD, ACC, AGI, AWR, CTH, CIT, SPC, RTE, JUMP, RLS
TE: SPD, ACC, AGI, AWR, CTH, CIT, SPC, RTE, JUMP, RLS, PBK, RBK
OL: PBF, PBS, RBF, RBS
DL: SPD, ACC, AGI, AWR, STR, PWR, FIN, TAK
LB: SPD, ACC, AGI, AWR, STR, PWR, FIN, TAK, MCV, ZCV
CB: SPD, ACC, AGI, AWR, MCV, ZCV, TAK
S: SPD, ACC, AGI, AWR, MCV, ZCV, TAK

One example:

Jeff Driskel, QB Florida
SPD: 86
ACC: 88
AGI: 84
AWR: 50
THP: 94
THA: 77

Great athlete, makes a ton of plays with his legs and has a cannon for an arm. Not a very polished passer at this point.

[CcAaRrSsOoNn3]

Re: Incoming Freshmen, "Other" Ratings

I like this. If there is a way to do this based of fact and not opinion then im all for this

[cdk10]

Re: Incoming Freshmen, "Other" Ratings

I like this. If there is a way to do this based of fact and not opinion then im all for this

problem is about 90% of the wr and rb run 4.4 or 4.5 40s according to rivals and scout.

[Palo20]

I like this. If there is a way to do this based of fact and not opinion then im all for this

I think we can just try and get as much info as possible from Rivals, ESPN, Scout, etc and post it here so it's easier to sort through all of the scouting reports and give ratings.

[Palo20]

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These are the default ratings for True Freshmen QBs.

Couple notes:

--AGI seems very low this year; not sure how it will play in the game.

--Driskel should have the best THP in the class. THP usually doesn't progress all that much in past games, and if this is unchanged, some of these guys need higher THP. If THP does progree a lot more now, it's less of an issue.

--Brett Hundley is way off. He's supposed to be a McNabb/Kaepernick type Pistol QB, so he needs WAY more athleticism. For some reason he has 67 AWR which is far and away the highest on the list. He should get a bump in SPD, AGI, and ACC and have the AWR lowered to about 50-52 like the rest of the list.

--Looks like JW Walsh has the best overall tools of these default ratings.

--List is in order of Phil Steele's rankings. Highest ratings are in bold.

Please provide some feedback.

[trojanterror]

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I like this. If there is a way to do this based of fact and not opinion then im all for this

Well, a good way to do it for WR and RBs would be to use actual track times (when they're available) for the SPD and ACC ratings.

For example, George Farmer ran a 10.4 100m. That is really fast. Not the best of the best, but better than most of the receivers in CFB. So.. 95 SPD? And with that has to come some good ACC, so... 92-94 ACC?

He's not known to have the best agility, but it's not bad either. Somewhere in the mid-80s probably.

On ESPN he was a 5-star WR, #1 at his position, #12 overall, 85 grade
On Rivals he was a 5-star WR, #1 at his position, #3 overall
On Scout he was a 5-star WR, #3 at his position, #25 overall

So he obviously is very highly regarded. He has good hands but loses concentration at times, so his awareness, catch in traffic and route running should be relatively low. He is a great athlete and very strong so he should have good jump and good release ratings. I also added in strength, because I think that's sometimes important in receivers.

George Farmer, WR USC, 6'2", 205 lbs.
SPD: 95
STR: 64
ACC: 92
AGI: 84
AWR: 54
CTH: 80
CIT: 78
SPC: 76
RTE: 78
JUMP: 86
RLS: 80

This puts him at around an 82 overall... and while that's high for an incoming recruit, you have to remember that this is the #1 receiver on two different sites with really good size and speed.

[Palo20]

Well, a good way to do it for WR and RBs would be to use actual track times (when they're available) for the SPD and ACC ratings.

For example, George Farmer ran a 10.4 100m. That is really fast. Not the best of the best, but better than most of the receivers in CFB. So.. 95 SPD? And with that has to come some good ACC, so... 92-94 ACC?

He's not known to have the best agility, but it's not bad either. Somewhere in the mid-80s probably.

On ESPN he was a 5-star WR, #1 at his position, #12 overall, 85 grade
On Rivals he was a 5-star WR, #1 at his position, #3 overall
On Scout he was a 5-star WR, #3 at his position, #25 overall

So he obviously is very highly regarded. He has good hands but loses concentration at times, so his awareness, catch in traffic and route running should be relatively low. He is a great athlete and very strong so he should have good jump and good release ratings. I also added in strength, because I think that's sometimes important in receivers.

George Farmer, WR USC, 6'2", 205 lbs.
SPD: 95
STR: 64
ACC: 92
AGI: 84
AWR: 54
CTH: 80
CIT: 78
SPC: 76
RTE: 78
JUMP: 86
RLS: 80

This puts him at around an 82 overall... and while that's high for an incoming recruit, you have to remember that this is the #1 receiver on two different sites with really good size and speed.

Reasonable ratings. The only question is the scale on speed. Demps of course is a 99 and he's a 10.01 guy. I'm sure there are a few 10.2, 10.3 guys sprinkled around college football too, so not sure if 95 may be too high.

[trojanterror]

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Well if 10.01 is 99, then you'd probably have to say:

sub 10.0 - 10.09 = 99 spd
10.1 - 10.19 = 98 spd
10.2 - 10.29 = 97 spd
10.3 - 10.39 = 96 spd
10.4 - 10.49 = 95 spd

And then keep going from there. I know this isn't completely accurate, but you have to remember that anything under 10.5 for 100m is extremely fast and can win you a state title depending on who is running.

Here's a list of the best 100m times in the country this year:

http://www.milesplit.com/rankings/2010/outdoor/hs/m/100m

I'm not sure if this covers every track athlete in the country... but that puts Farmer at 15th nationwide in the 100m this year. A lot of those guys don't even play football. That's elite speed.

[bhbdawg]

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Well if 10.01 is 99, then you'd probably have to say:

sub 10.0 - 10.09 = 99 spd
10.1 - 10.19 = 98 spd
10.2 - 10.29 = 97 spd
10.3 - 10.39 = 96 spd
10.4 - 10.49 = 95 spd

And then keep going from there. I know this isn't completely accurate, but you have to remember that anything under 10.5 for 100m is extremely fast and can win you a state title depending on who is running.

Here's a list of the best 100m times in the country this year:

http://www.milesplit.com/rankings/2010/outdoor/hs/m/100m

I'm not sure if this covers every track athlete in the country... but that puts Farmer at 15th nationwide in the 100m this year. A lot of those guys don't even play football. That's elite speed.

Nice scale.

However, the link does not include UGA recruit Justin Scott-Wesley, who ran a 10.35 100m this year. I would agree with 96 for JSW.

Also, for sprinters, is acceleration more important than actual speed? Should anyone under 10.5 get an automatic 99 acceleration?

[bhbdawg]

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I'm not sure if Driskel is as agile as you have him. Rivals listed it as average for a D-1 QB, and they even mentioned that he needs work making people miss.

I understand you're trying to bring out his mobility, but his acceleration should do that fine. I'd put his agility at 70 or 75.

Driskel is very accurate. To balance things out, I might put his Throwing Power at 91 and his accuracy at 85-87. By all accounts I've read his accuracy is almost as impressive as his throwing power. Does power progress throughout the game? If it doesn't, push it back up to 93 or 94. 94 seems a bit too generous for someone who isn't a rare specimen in terms of arm strength (and Rivals does have a special rating for rare specimens in any skill), though.

[bhbdawg]

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LeMay should have much better agility, up around 85 or so. His accuracy should be 85 as well. His awareness should be pretty high, as he has always been praised for his decision-making.

The speed is right (he's more agile than he is fast). I might push his arm strength up a bit, but it's a tough situation. He doesn't throw the deep ball well and doesn't have a cannon, but he puts a LOT of zip on shorter throws. So that's a catch-22 that needs a nice balance. Perhaps throwing power at 82 or 83?

Accel should be ~80, IMO.

[Palo20]

Top Freshmen HBs

Freshmen HB Default Ratings

These look really good. EA did a good job of getting the tendencies right for most of these guys.

Couple Notes:

--De'Anthony Thomas is an all purpose stud. He could play HB or Slot in Oregon's scheme. Also could play CB.

--Savon Huggins could use a little more love. He'll probably be the starter for Rutgers.

--James Wilder might be a better OLB prospect than HB. He needs some defensive ratings bumps. Rodney Coe also needs LB ratings.

[Palo20]

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I'm not sure if Driskel is as agile as you have him. Rivals listed it as average for a D-1 QB, and they even mentioned that he needs work making people miss.

I understand you're trying to bring out his mobility, but his acceleration should do that fine. I'd put his agility at 70 or 75.

Driskel is very accurate. To balance things out, I might put his Throwing Power at 91 and his accuracy at 85-87. By all accounts I've read his accuracy is almost as impressive as his throwing power. Does power progress throughout the game? If it doesn't, push it back up to 93 or 94. 94 seems a bit too generous for someone who isn't a rare specimen in terms of arm strength (and Rivals does have a special rating for rare specimens in any skill), though.

--I'm not sure if THP progresses much; if that's still the case, a lot of these guys can use a bump in THP. THA progresses much more so it's ok to start a little lower.

--By all accounts, the last 2 QB classes have been fairly weak. Sims and Heaps as the top guys last year and Driskel this year; they're not really as blue chip as a guy like Barkley.

--I was basing my prediction for Driskel's AGI on his UnderArmour performance. His escapability was ridiculous. Also, makes a throw on the run about 60+ yards. He should have the strongest arm in the class.

Driskel UnderArmour Highlights:
http://youtu.be/pr40G7G6cfQ

[trojanterror]

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Here's another proposed incoming recruit ratings for USC.

Aundrey Walker, RT, 6'5" 355 lbs
Here's what EA has:
SPD: 55
STR: 93
AGI: 70
ACC: 96
AWR: 40
PBK: 73
RBK: 76
IMP: 78
RBS: 85
RBF: 76
PBS: 75
PBF: 70

The AGI and ACC ratings seem ridiculous for a 355 lb guy. AGI should be in the 60s and ACC should be in the high-70s, low-80s. Seeing as they're rating ACC higher for OL now, I would say something like 84 or so.

AWR is bad, as 40 is a really pathetic rating. Somewhere in the low-50s probably.

The PBK, PBS, and PBF are probably about right because he isn't polished there. I did bump the PBF two points though.

The RBK and IMP are off, as this guy is known to be a mauler. Something in the area of 84 RBK and 84 IMP would be about right, IMO. The RBS and RBF are probably right.

So... my suggested ratings would be:
SPD: 62
STR: 93
AGI: 68
ACC: 82
AWR: 54
PBK: 73
RBK: 84
IMP: 84
RBS: 85
RBF: 76
PBS: 75
PBF: 72

That puts him at an overall rating of 76. It seems more in-line with the type of player he actually is.

I'm confused by the ACC ratings on OL though... why do they have the OL with ACC ratings higher than some WRs? It's dumb... but it's consistent across the board.

[bhbdawg]

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I'm confused by the ACC ratings on OL though... why do they have the OL with ACC ratings higher than some WRs? It's dumb... but it's consistent across the board.

But acceleration isn't speed - it's just acceleration. Explosiveness and quickness off the snap.

It means they get to their top speed really quickly - but their top speed is still really low.