Roster Edits for better Game Play Guide

[Gotmadskillzson]

Fixing Real Assignment AI

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Left guard, center, right guard - acceleration at 90. By default they were moving entirely too slow and most times the ball carrier would get to the hole before the blockers.

WRs, TEs, FBs - run block strength, run block footwork, impact block at 75.

Those 3 positions of WR, FB and TE need to block in order for option plays, WR screens, HB screens, stretch runs, read option, HB toss to work.

If anybody been watching Georgia Tech play this season, their WRs BLOCK and their guards get out in FRONT of the runner.

Fixing the cpu DE pass rush

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All offensive tackles pass block strength must be at 20. Above 20 and they do that BS automatic play patty cake with DE animation.

Tight ends pass block strength must be at 10.

Finese moves rating does nothing for a Defensive End when the cpu is controlling them. Block shedding does nothing for a DE either on passing plays when the cpu is controlling them.

Therefore if you want a dominating DE, give them a high power moves rating.

Drop the speeds, acceleration and pursuits

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I am not a fan of having a roster full of people with those ratings in the high 90s. No person speed should be higher then 94.

No linebacker should have a speed higher then 88.

No tight end should have speed higher then 88.

99% of the people should not have a pursuit rating above the mid 80s.

Most linebackers and safeties should not have an acceleration rating higher then 85.

If a DT is 300 pounds, his pursuit rating should be in the 30s.

What ever speed a corner back or safety has, their acceleration rating should be 5 points LOWER.

Very few Running backs should have speed above 88.

Very few WRs, CBs, and safeties should have speed above 90.

Majority of Corner backs and safeties should have pursuit from the upper 70s to mid 80s.

Plain and simple. Too many players had high pursuit, speed and acceleration. Pursuit is also an agility type of attribute for defenders. When it is high, they can change directions on a dime with no slow down.

Sophmore starters on defense

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They must pay the price for inexperience. If they aren't an all american status, the following ratings will drop to 55:

Pursuit, play recognition, zone coverage

Adding momentum

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For the entire defense:

Lower their agility and acceleration as low as you can go without changing their tendancy.

If they are a run stopper LB or hard hitting Safety, drop their agility to 40.

For Corner backs:

Play recognition 70
Man Coverage 75
Zone Coverage 75

This will be for your average Corner back. Of course all americans and teams that are really good in defending the pass will be higher.

For Safeties, same as above except zone coverage at 80 for average safeties.

Fixing Special Teams for the CPU return game

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Find everybody that is blocking on special for the kick off. Usually consist of have on defense and other have offense. It varies from school to school. Safe way to do is just do all the LBs, 1st 4 CBs, all the safeties, all the TEs amd all the FBs.

Reason why it varies is because not all schools have FBs or TEs and if they do, they only have 1.

For the defensive players:

Put their Run block, run block footwork, run block strength, impact block at 99.

For the offensive players on special teams same attributes, but no higher then 75. Reason being most of these offensive players on special teams are also starters and you will make their run block on average running plays too powerful.

The Power of Awareness

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Plain & simple, the higher this rating is for any position, the better they play. If you want that player to function properly and be a good but not great player, they need an awareness level of at least 85. If you want to be pro bowl level, give them 90. For Hall of Fame 95. Just to be average 80.

Players with awareness below 80 are prone to make a lot of mistakes and get more penalties. They will miss blocks, miss blitz pick ups, make the wrong choice on option plays, and take longer to get open when running routes.

Awareness is the foundation block for everything. So don't forget to edit the awareness to the level of performance you want them to be for that specific position.

Better pocket passer

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Throw accuracy 90 or above. Throw power 90 or above.
Speed 60 to 74

To keep them honest, I always lower pocket passers ball carrying to 55 to 60. Reason being it makes them pay for trying to run or taking too many sacks. If they get hard enough on a sack, they will fumble.

Better Balanced passer

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Throw accuracy 85 to 90. Throw power 80 to 90.
Agility, elusiveness, ball carrier vision, stiff arm, juke, spin - low to mid 80s
Ball carrying - 75
Speed 75 to 84
Acceleration 5 points higher then the speed

These players can run and throw but not really great in either one.

Better scrambler passer

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Throw accuracy 75 to 85. Throw power 80 to 95.
Agility, elusiveness, ball carrier vision, stiff arm, juke, spin - 88 and higher
Ball carrying - 80
Speed 85 to 95
Acceleration 99

Scramblers are not always the fastest players but there are some track stars in college. Typical scramblers don't have the best accuracy.

Ball Hawk

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If you want a ball hawking DB or LB, do the following:

Zone Coverage - 95 or above
Awareness - 90 or above
Play Recognition - 95 or higher
Catching - 80

Lock down corner: same as above just add Man Coverage to 95

More leg tackles: High tackling rating, very low hit power rating. For example 88:40

Line Interaction

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Run block strength - Despite it's name, it doesn't determine how far back it can push back a defender on running plays. Only thing it determines is how long they can hold their block.

Run block footwork - This determines how far back the lineman can push the defender back on running pays. Amazingly strength isn't tied into this equation at all.

Pass block strength - Only determines how long they can hold their block against a power move.

Pass block footwork - Determines how well they can defend against a finese move. Good way to see this in action is with the offensive tackles. Give a tackle a 90 PBF, they would push the DE in an arc around the QB forming a natural pocket.

Power move - bull rush

Finese move - swims and spins

Now how they tie together. Power move rating is directly tied to RBF and PBS.

Who ever is rated higher directly determines who gets pushed back. On running plays and passing plays. Also who ever has the highest power move rating seems to determine who gets double blocked on passing plays.

Block shedding only works in the open field on running plays and this rating seems to be tied directly to strength. Who ever is stronger wins this battle.

Strength Rating

This year it a modifier for break tackle, stiff arms, truck, tackle, blocking. Basically if you not in the 70s you won't break tackles a lot. And linemen need strength if you want to plug up the hole, bull doze an OL or pancake a DL.

Making Barry Sanders

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Agility, spin, juking, ball carrier vision, elusiveness, awareness, break tackle - 90 or above

Keep strength in the 50s or very low 60s.
Speed - high 80s, low 90s

Making a power back

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Strength - 80
BTK - 90
Truck - 90
Agility - 70
Elsuiveness - 85
Speed - 80 to 84
Ball Carrier Vision - 90
Stiff arm - 95
Spin - 75
Juke - 75

Making the next Suh

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Power Moves - 95
Strength - 92 to 95
PRC - 90s
Hit Power - 90s
Block Shedding - 90s

Power moves is key. Defender needs a high rating in this area in order to keep from being pushed back on running plays and it allows them to push the OL back. Any time you see DL get pancaked, it is because he has a low Power Moves rating.

Making a dominating DE

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Power moves - high 80s to high 90s
Strength - 88 and above
PRC - 90s
ACC - 90s - Good DEs need a very good initial burst
Block Shedding - low 80s
Tackling - high 80s to mid 90s

Personally I don't like my dominating DEs having high hit power, therefore I lower it. I rather them make the tackle, including leg tackles.

Possession WR/TE

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CIT - high 80s, low 90s
Catch - mid to high 80s
Spec catch - 90
Agility - low 90s

Return Specialist

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Return - 90s
Speed - 90 or higher
Carry - 90
Agility - 90s
BTK - 90s
Spin - 90s
Juke - 90s
Ball Carrier Vision - 90s
Elusiveness - 90s
Awareness - 85 or higher

Power FB

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Strength - 85 or higher
Carry - 90
Ball carrier vision - 85 or higher
BTK - 90
TRK - 90
Elusiveness - 75
Impact block - 85
RBS - 85
RBF - 85
Awareness - 85 or higher
Stiff Arm - 95
Juke - 75
Spin - 75
Speed - 80 to 84
Acceleration 10 points higher then speed

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Run stopping Safety & LB or Pass rushing LB

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Awareness - 85 or higher
Speed - 85 to 88
ACC - 98
PRC - 95
Catch - 50
Tackle - 90
Man coverage - 75
Zone coverage - 75
Pursuit - 99
Block Shedding - 90

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[4solo]

Re: Roster Edits for better Game Play Guide

Hey good read man. For the backs are the ratings the minimum or are those maxed out numbers. Did you forget receivers? Also you don't have to answer to keep down discussion but what level did you test these on?

[admijosco]

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Very good and cool info...I gotta try the ball hawking db soon. Thanks

[To_Trill_Too_View209]

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Hey MadSkillz how you balanced out the PRC for all Defense Player's cause like last year they all have high PRC

[td7]

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Very good read, thank you for doing this. I thought for a power back the strength could be in the 60's or 70's with a high Trucking rating, what do you think?

[Gotmadskillzson]

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Hey MadSkillz how you balanced out the PRC for all Defense Player's cause like last year they all have high PRC

This year PRC isn't an issue for the defense. I have seen them bite on pump fakes and seen them bite on counters.

Very good read, thank you for doing this. I thought for a power back the strength could be in the 60's or 70's with a high Trucking rating, what do you think?

In NCAA 12 unless strength is in the 70s or at 80 it doesn't matter how high the break tackle or truck rating is, they won't do it. This is why the programmers are able to get away with giving scrambling QBs break tackle ratings in the low 90s, because they all have strength in the upper 50s and low 60s. Without strength players will fall backwards this year when hit by a stronger guy.

[mavfan21]

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This is perfect!! Thanks man!!! Appreciate all the info!

All the edits in one simple spot is a god-send. This will be used heavily in my Dynasty as sprinkle some studs throughout the college ranks to challenge my team. It'll be cool to see players that really stand out as elite.

[Playmakers]

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Very good read, thank you for doing this. I thought for a power back the strength could be in the 60's or 70's with a high Trucking rating, what do you think?

the game recognizes a power back even with 70 strength as long as his speed isn't crazy high

the strength rating is used to boost up his overall rating and sometimes trigger certain animations but it's not actually needed to classify him as a power back.

If he has high Trucking, Break Tackle and Stiff arm he'll still operate like a power back....i like to keep their juke move, spin move and elusiveness rating down giving them good vision it tends to make them not dance around and play more downhill between the tackles smash mouth football style

There is a big misconception that RB's all need 80+ speed to be effective in this game which is not true

I have tons of great RB's who who operate on speed ratings below 80 like Emmit Smith (78 speed) and they are still capable of torching your defense because their vision is what makes them dangeraous in this game.

If they see daylight or opening's they hit it right away

[LionsFanNJ]

Yeah Manny Abreu is going to be the edge rusher I want him to be in my Rutgers dynasty now. Awesome guide.

sent from parts unknown

[td7]

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the game recognizes a power back even with 70 strength as long as his speed isn't crazy high

the strength rating is used to boost up his overall rating and sometimes trigger certain animations but it's not actually needed to classify him as a power back.

If he has high Trucking, Break Tackle and Stiff arm he'll still operate like a power back....i like to keep their juke move, spin move and elusiveness rating down giving them good vision it tends to make them not dance around and play more downhill between the tackles smash mouth football style

There is a big misconception that RB's all need 80+ speed to be effective in this game which is not true

I have tons of great RB's who who operate on speed ratings below 80 like Emmit Smith (78 speed) and they are still capable of torching your defense because their vision is what makes them dangeraous in this game.

If they see daylight or opening's they hit it right away

For OL, do you still mirror the FBGRatings Playmakers or do you make their Acc,Spd, and Agility alittle higher than those ratings? I personally keep the ratings of FBGRatings as they are.

[Playmakers]

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For OL, do you still mirror the FBGRatings Playmakers or do you make their Acc,Spd, and Agility alittle higher than those ratings? I personally keep the ratings of FBGRatings as they are.

i love FGBRatings because it captures the true Physical ratings of the players

For the Offensive Line I give them their true strength, agility, and speed

The only thing i do differently is give the a +10 in acceleration for the Offensive Linemen because it helps for gameplay by allowing them to get out in space or downfield to make blocks quicker

Also a +10 in QB acceleration to help them get up to maximum speed quicker and get out of the backfield when they decide to take off.

Same thing with QB's if a guy has only 82 true acceleration if he's a scrambler i'll give him the extra 5-10 point increase. But if he's a pocket guy he'll stay at his true rating without any increase to his acceleration.

I'm a little different from Gotzmadskill who seems to be using a scale which isn't a bad idea...

I tend to rely a little more on the actual player data and keep the players closer to their real combine #'s or recorded #'s if i'm able to find it. So it depends his way hands down is obviously much quicker and simpler but since i deal with a lot of the old school players i tend to really rely on the true numbers which helps to keep the overall ratings down.

[td7]

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Thats why I asked because; I'm attempting to do a All-Time Roster like your 11 version. It takes forever to get just one team done, lol.

[majesty95]

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Very cool. Thanks!

[Playmakers]

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Power FB

Strength - 85 or higher
Carry - 90
Ball carrier vision - 85 or higher
BTK - 90
TRK - 90
Elusiveness - 75
Impact block - 85
RBS - 85
RBF - 85
Awareness - 85 or higher
Stiff Arm - 95
Juke - 75
Spin - 75
Speed - 80 to 84
Acceleration 10 points higher then speed

I would probably go something like this to stop a Power FB from being able to cut back on a dime......think about it they are down hill runners you don't want them dancing around or juking people right?

Think about John Riggins or Mike Alston as two examples of power FB's...they mainly initiated the contact so that is why I'd go lower on elusiveness, juke and spin

Here's Mike Alstott as a Power FB

STRENGTH-81...........(HIS TRUE RATING WOULD ACTUALLY BE AROUND 76)
TRUCKING-97
ELUSIVENESS-52.......(NOTICE HOW LOW THIS IS IT GETS HIM TO RELY ON TRUCKING PEOPLE MORE A 45 POINT DIFFERENTIAL FROM HIS TRUCK RATING)
BCV-82..................(NOT TOO HIGH AND NOT TOO LOW BECAUSE HE WASN'T A CUT BACK RUNNER)
STIFF ARM-96
SPIN MOVE-70
JUKE MOVE-65
IMPACT BLOCK-75
RUN BLOCK STRENGHT-70
RUN BLOCK FOOTWORK-66
PASS BLOCK STRENGTH-63
PASS BLOCK FOOTWORK-65
STAMINA-84................(THIS IS KEPT IN THE LOW 80'S SO THAT HE ACTUALLY COMES OUT THE GAME IN A REALISTIC MANNER AFTER BREAKING OFF A LONG RUN OR SAY HE CARRIES THE BALL 4-5 STRAIGHT TIMES ON LONG DRIVE IT'LL GET HIM OUT AND BACK IN QUICKLY AFTER A SHORT BREATHER)

Notice his blocking ratings aren't very high because Altstott wasn't a great blocking FB even though he ran with power.....once you start getting up into into the 80's then your talking about guys like Moose Johnston or William Floyd types

This will stop him from being a SUPER FB makes his overall ratings more realistic without actually taking away from his true skill....

[Playmakers]

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For a Possession WR their agility is sometimes high in the 90's but most of them aren't really that great in agility and usually they are somewhere between 70-85 for agility. Agility in the 70's don't really hurt a possession guy IMO because if he's a terrific route runner and has great hands he's going to be tough to slow down anyway

For example Hines Ward

Physical Ability
SPEED-83
AGILITY-83
ACCELERATION-87
JUMPING-62

But look at his Skill ratings that make him a deadly possession type of WR

AWARENESS-95
Catching-90
BALL CARRIER VISION-88
SPC-85
CIT-95
RTE-95
RELEASE-88