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  • stoncold32
    MVP
    • Jul 2002
    • 3588

    #1

    I hate the way this game is perceived vs the actual reality of it all

    What do I mean?

    I mean the way this game(and Madden too) is perceived one way by the casual masses, but yet the ppl on forums like these and others know the real deal. Madden is the absolute king of this, and now it has began with NCAA as well.

    The average sports fan will be flipping thru stations and see this game featured on shows like ESPN's "First Take" or "Sports Nation", and from that limited & controlled showing, they think, "wow, that game is amazing. They look so real nowadays...oh, they have all the real entrances and they have Erin Andrews, etc." Then you hear the ESPN on-air personalities gushing over it, even though they know NOTHING more about the game than what's on their teleprompter.

    Then you throw in a "Making of NCAA '12" documentary showing every week, and it's a wrap. It's a marketing win for EA, which would be great IF this game was consistently on the level of The Show franchise, a Call of Duty series, GTA/RDR, etc.

    Thus the casual perception is that these games are the greatest thing since butter on bread, and if those people are parents, they blindly go out & buy the game for their kids.

    Little do they know that seemingly half the stuff that is supposed to work properly, does not. Some of it doesn't work at all, and in the next gen lifestyle, we are now forced to wait months with a handicapped game b/c EA has the luxury of patching things that used to be a non-issue. In time, this too might be ok by me as a gamer, again, IF those patches fixed more things than they broke.....but as with every patched NCAA thus far, by the end of the patch releases, we've pretty much been left chasing our tail

    I couldn't believe my eyes/ears when I was came across that "Making of..." show last weekend and half of it was about the "bug testing phase". I'm not discounting these guys work, but c'mon, a game that get's out with this many GLARING issues. That's not something that should be bragged about. A few bugs/issues that require some deep delving is one thing, but the ones in this game are huge.
  • der juicen
    Pro
    • Sep 2010
    • 545

    #2
    Re: I hate the way this game is perceived vs the actual reality of it all

    Originally posted by stoncold32
    What do I mean?

    I mean the way this game(and Madden too) is perceived one way by the casual masses, but yet the ppl on forums like these and others know the real deal. Madden is the absolute king of this, and now it has began with NCAA as well.

    The average sports fan will be flipping thru stations and see this game featured on shows like ESPN's "First Take" or "Sports Nation", and from that limited & controlled showing, they think, "wow, that game is amazing. They look so real nowadays...oh, they have all the real entrances and they have Erin Andrews, etc." Then you hear the ESPN on-air personalities gushing over it, even though they know NOTHING more about the game than what's on their teleprompter.

    Then you throw in a "Making of NCAA '12" documentary showing every week, and it's a wrap. It's a marketing win for EA, which would be great IF this game was consistently on the level of The Show franchise, a Call of Duty series, GTA/RDR, etc.

    Thus the casual perception is that these games are the greatest thing since butter on bread, and if those people are parents, they blindly go out & buy the game for their kids.

    Little do they know that seemingly half the stuff that is supposed to work properly, does not. Some of it doesn't work at all, and in the next gen lifestyle, we are now forced to wait months with a handicapped game b/c EA has the luxury of patching things that used to be a non-issue. In time, this too might be ok by me as a gamer, again, IF those patches fixed more things than they broke.....but as with every patched NCAA thus far, by the end of the patch releases, we've pretty much been left chasing our tail

    I couldn't believe my eyes/ears when I was came across that "Making of..." show last weekend and half of it was about the "bug testing phase". I'm not discounting these guys work, but c'mon, a game that get's out with this many GLARING issues. That's not something that should be bragged about. A few bugs/issues that require some deep delving is one thing, but the ones in this game are huge.
    Oh darn, I must be a casual fan. One of the plebeians. Don't be so sure footed in labeling casual gamers as empty headed money pockets. Crazy enough, casual gamers can be helpful, and they aren't all doe eyed at "how real this game looketh".

    You seem to outright believe the developers had no thoughtmin trying to fix these GLARING issues. Have a thought though. You're a developer, with a time limit. Say 8 months. You take the base of the game, from 11. Now you have many changes to implement, into somewhat of a working order without disrupting older implementations, and on top, working on what will soon be a legacy system. I'm no developer, but the blame can't solely be placed on them. Bugs will happen. Does anyone even remember how buggy Fallout: New Vegas was when released.

    There is a patch coming out that fix some issues, might make new issues, and might be rushed due to the bloody out cry from this forum and no doubt many others.

    In closing, the game is not a broken mess, nor is it a batch of freshly picked roses. I've never played a game from any company that was perfect. More often than not, they were somewhat problematic.

    I'm not an EA apologist, just a developer supporter. People seem to get these two confused.

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    • mva5580
      Pro
      • Nov 2004
      • 753

      #3
      Re: I hate the way this game is perceived vs the actual reality of it all

      Originally posted by stoncold32
      What do I mean?

      I mean the way this game(and Madden too) is perceived one way by the casual masses, but yet the ppl on forums like these and others know the real deal. Madden is the absolute king of this, and now it has began with NCAA as well.


      The average sports fan will be flipping thru stations and see this game featured on shows like ESPN's "First Take" or "Sports Nation", and from that limited & controlled showing, they think, "wow, that game is amazing. They look so real nowadays...oh, they have all the real entrances and they have Erin Andrews, etc." Then you hear the ESPN on-air personalities gushing over it, even though they know NOTHING more about the game than what's on their teleprompter.

      Then you throw in a "Making of NCAA '12" documentary showing every week, and it's a wrap. It's a marketing win for EA, which would be great IF this game was consistently on the level of The Show franchise, a Call of Duty series, GTA/RDR, etc.

      Thus the casual perception is that these games are the greatest thing since butter on bread, and if those people are parents, they blindly go out & buy the game for their kids.

      Little do they know that seemingly half the stuff that is supposed to work properly, does not. Some of it doesn't work at all, and in the next gen lifestyle, we are now forced to wait months with a handicapped game b/c EA has the luxury of patching things that used to be a non-issue. In time, this too might be ok by me as a gamer, again, IF those patches fixed more things than they broke.....but as with every patched NCAA thus far, by the end of the patch releases, we've pretty much been left chasing our tail

      I couldn't believe my eyes/ears when I was came across that "Making of..." show last weekend and half of it was about the "bug testing phase". I'm not discounting these guys work, but c'mon, a game that get's out with this many GLARING issues. That's not something that should be bragged about. A few bugs/issues that require some deep delving is one thing, but the ones in this game are huge.
      What people like you refuse to acknowledge is that you are, and will always be, the minority.

      Yes, the game has problems. Always will. But the people who obsess over those problems are a very low number compared to the people who never notice them.

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      • DorneyDave86
        Banned
        • Aug 2010
        • 233

        #4
        Re: I hate the way this game is perceived vs the actual reality of it all

        Without going on this site, which I have become addicted to unfortunately, I wouldn't realize that 3/4 of the problems people complain about in Madden and NCAA even existed.

        Simpler times, I miss them.

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        • joehoo
          Rookie
          • Jul 2008
          • 122

          #5
          Re: I hate the way this game is perceived vs the actual reality of it all

          Originally posted by mva5580
          What people like you refuse to acknowledge is that you are, and will always be, the minority.

          Yes, the game has problems. Always will. But the people who obsess over those problems are a very low number compared to the people who never notice them.

          Good point. I dislike the game more after coming to this forum.

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          • Josh Knight
            Rookie
            • Dec 2010
            • 80

            #6
            Re: I hate the way this game is perceived vs the actual reality of it all

            Originally posted by joehoo
            Good point. I dislike the game more after coming to this forum.
            Also agreed. I wouldn't even know about 75% of these bugs if i didn't come on here. It's depressing.

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            • Armor and Sword
              The Lama
              • Sep 2010
              • 21801

              #7
              Re: I hate the way this game is perceived vs the actual reality of it all

              That is why I post my impressions...and usually move on from those threads.

              I am too busy playing and enjoying the heck out of my games.
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              • stoncold32
                MVP
                • Jul 2002
                • 3588

                #8
                Re: I hate the way this game is perceived vs the actual reality of it all

                Originally posted by der juicen
                Oh darn, I must be a casual fan. One of the plebeians. Don't be so sure footed in labeling casual gamers as empty headed money pockets. Crazy enough, casual gamers can be helpful, and they aren't all doe eyed at "how real this game looketh".

                You seem to outright believe the developers had no thoughtmin trying to fix these GLARING issues. Have a thought though. You're a developer, with a time limit. Say 8 months. You take the base of the game, from 11. Now you have many changes to implement, into somewhat of a working order without disrupting older implementations, and on top, working on what will soon be a legacy system. I'm no developer, but the blame can't solely be placed on them. Bugs will happen. Does anyone even remember how buggy Fallout: New Vegas was when released.

                There is a patch coming out that fix some issues, might make new issues, and might be rushed due to the bloody out cry from this forum and no doubt many others.

                In closing, the game is not a broken mess, nor is it a batch of freshly picked roses. I've never played a game from any company that was perfect. More often than not, they were somewhat problematic.

                I'm not an EA apologist, just a developer supporter. People seem to get these two confused.
                I respect your opinion, I never referred to casual fans in the "empty headed" manner you are suggesting. In some way, we all are casual fans of something. But the "development cycle" excuse is growing a bit stale to me. This game for better or worse is pretty much built on the back of the engine used since NCAA 2002 on PS2.

                You're not re-inventing the wheel year after year wtih this game. Some things SHOULD improve, and build on previous games as opposed to taking a step back for no explicable reason. Things like commentary certainly dont seem to change, nor do the super vertical LB's. So why must the things that worked properly in '11 now be messed up? Why is something that is a given for years, like the pumpfake, no longer working properly?

                And the patch is not being "rushed". Are you telling me that when this game was 100% done, presumably in late May or early June, that EA had no clue of these bugs like the freezing, and the countless other things mentioned in that huge bug thread? They had to wait until we had the game to find out what they could know within 10 mins of firing up the game in their own console? They could have/should have started on a patch right then. Who the heck doesnt notice alot of this stuff as soon as they take the field? The psychic DB's, the constant no-huddle freezing, etc.

                You're right, no game is perfect, but to me, at least others like NBA 2K, The Show etc. seem to build year after year.

                That's all I ask(ed). Give me NCAA '11 with better gameplay and whatever other bells or whistle you want to add. It's not wrong for me to EXPECT everything that worked last year to work this year.

                Originally posted by Josh Knight
                Also agreed. I wouldn't even know about 75% of these bugs if i didn't come on here. It's depressing.
                I'll be honest, I DON'T look at the bug/glitch thread on here, nor do I even look for glitches on the main page, BUT when I'm in the middle of a game and something weird starts to happen, I want to know if I'm the only one having the issue. Is it my game, do I have a bad copy, is my system acting up?

                Thus I come here and either make a thread asking if others are having the same issue, or I do a search. You can't simply avoid everything.
                Last edited by stoncold32; 08-13-2011, 03:46 PM.

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                • DanielDJohnson
                  Rookie
                  • Aug 2011
                  • 23

                  #9
                  Re: I hate the way this game is perceived vs the actual reality of it all

                  Originally posted by stoncold32
                  What do I mean?

                  I mean the way this game(and Madden too) is perceived one way by the casual masses, but yet the ppl on forums like these and others know the real deal. Madden is the absolute king of this, and now it has began with NCAA as well.

                  The average sports fan will be flipping thru stations and see this game featured on shows like ESPN's "First Take" or "Sports Nation", and from that limited & controlled showing, they think, "wow, that game is amazing. They look so real nowadays...oh, they have all the real entrances and they have Erin Andrews, etc." Then you hear the ESPN on-air personalities gushing over it, even though they know NOTHING more about the game than what's on their teleprompter.

                  Then you throw in a "Making of NCAA '12" documentary showing every week, and it's a wrap. It's a marketing win for EA, which would be great IF this game was consistently on the level of The Show franchise, a Call of Duty series, GTA/RDR, etc.

                  Thus the casual perception is that these games are the greatest thing since butter on bread, and if those people are parents, they blindly go out & buy the game for their kids.

                  Little do they know that seemingly half the stuff that is supposed to work properly, does not. Some of it doesn't work at all, and in the next gen lifestyle, we are now forced to wait months with a handicapped game b/c EA has the luxury of patching things that used to be a non-issue. In time, this too might be ok by me as a gamer, again, IF those patches fixed more things than they broke.....but as with every patched NCAA thus far, by the end of the patch releases, we've pretty much been left chasing our tail

                  I couldn't believe my eyes/ears when I was came across that "Making of..." show last weekend and half of it was about the "bug testing phase". I'm not discounting these guys work, but c'mon, a game that get's out with this many GLARING issues. That's not something that should be bragged about. A few bugs/issues that require some deep delving is one thing, but the ones in this game are huge.

                  All true, it would be fool hardy to suggest that you haven't made a lot of valid points. The question I have for you, me and others, is whose fault is it? Don't we as a consumer share the blunt of the burden now? By discussing it we have spread the propaganda. Laying down our $60 to purchase this game year after year or watching even a moment of a 5 minute advertisement disguised as a segment supports the very thing we've come to despise. We have to stop purchasing the game, downloading the demo, abandon the hope that you have every off-season that next years version will be better, if you enjoy older versions of the game play those instead. The fact of the matter is until EA feels a catastrophic loss on a financial level, you, me and others are wasting our time.

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                  • KentuckyJared20
                    Rookie
                    • Jul 2009
                    • 156

                    #10
                    Re: I hate the way this game is perceived vs the actual reality of it all

                    Originally posted by der juicen
                    Does anyone even remember how buggy Fallout: New Vegas was when released.
                    Don't compare I game that has as much stuff as the Fallout series to a sports game, I may be wrong but it seems like a lot less variables to account for in a sports game than in an open world game as deep as a Fallout game.

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                    • MagicMan1315
                      Pro
                      • Jul 2011
                      • 568

                      #11
                      Re: I hate the way this game is perceived vs the actual reality of it all

                      Originally posted by KentuckyJared20
                      Don't compare I game that has as much stuff as the Fallout series to a sports game, I may be wrong but it seems like a lot less variables to account for in a sports game than in an open world game as deep as a Fallout game.
                      Bethesda works on their games for 3-5 years. EA has 1 year, if that.

                      Point being.. those will always be better games with less glitches due to the lack of a timeline. I almost feel bad for EA in a sense. People demand a game every year with leaps and bounds of progress.

                      But don't worry kids, with Cam Weber the new GM of EA Football games as of this year, I am expecting to see leaps and bound of progress to both NCAA/Madden in the coming years. (Cam Weber was at EA Canada and is the reason for FIFA being the best sports game on the market.)


                      But usually the glitches in NCAA bother me, I would not see them if not for forums.
                      Last edited by MagicMan1315; 08-13-2011, 03:52 PM.

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                      • ODogg
                        Hall Of Fame
                        • Feb 2003
                        • 37953

                        #12
                        Re: I hate the way this game is perceived vs the actual reality of it all

                        I opened this thread thinking it'd be the opposite of what it was. I hate that this game is perceived by many folks here as a bug filled, craptacular, no-fun, ps2 graphics mess with no redeeming qualities or reason for even existing when in reality it's a fantastic playing and looking college football game that can provide hours and hours of fun with issues that the developers are working to fix.
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                        • Clinton56
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                          • Jul 2007
                          • 147

                          #13
                          Re: I hate the way this game is perceived vs the actual reality of it all

                          I frequently find that people who look for perfection are often sad and frustrated more often than not.its a game.Im not looking for some spiritual football experience in order to enjoy it.I like it for what it is,a football video game......bring on the new season!
                          Last edited by Clinton56; 08-13-2011, 03:55 PM. Reason: misspelled word

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                          • Matt10
                            Hall Of Fame
                            • Apr 2006
                            • 16702

                            #14
                            Re: I hate the way this game is perceived vs the actual reality of it all

                            Originally posted by MagicMan1315
                            Bethesda works on their games for 3-5 years. EA has 1 year, if that.

                            Point being.. those will always be better games with less glitches due to the lack of a timeline. I almost feel bad for EA in a sense. People demand a game every year with leaps and bounds of progress.

                            But don't worry kids, with Cam Weber the new GM of EA Football games as of this year, I am expecting to see leaps and bound of progress to both NCAA/Madden in the coming years. (Cam Weber was at EA Canada and is the reason for FIFA being the best sports game on the market.)


                            But usually the glitches in NCAA bother me, I would not see them if not for forums.
                            Unless Cam can turn back time and remove the exclusive rights, we won't get as good of a sports game Fifa apparently has become. Competition breeds excellence, why should EA even try otherwise, or why should we even hope would be the better argument.
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                            • MagicMan1315
                              Pro
                              • Jul 2011
                              • 568

                              #15
                              Re: I hate the way this game is perceived vs the actual reality of it all

                              Originally posted by Matt10
                              Unless Cam can turn back time and remove the exclusive rights, we won't get as good of a sports game Fifa apparently has become. Competition breeds excellence, why should EA even try otherwise, or why should we even hope would be the better argument.
                              It doesn't always. I hear NHL is a great series but I don't believe they have any competition.

                              FIFA does compete againt PES but that isnt even a fair comparison in my opinion. I am pretty sure FIFA destroys them in sales and gameplay.

                              I think it has more to do with ideas and motivation to make a better product. Thing is, if they were really making a bad product, would sales be going up each year? Even if they had a "monopoly" there is nothing forcing people to purchase it. I did it last year with Madden 11. I was not pleased with their product, so I chose to not purchase it. Thus, if more people choose to do this one year, then they would be forced to make a better product.

                              People tend to over exaggerate the EA being a "monopoly." Monopolies only really hurt the consumer when the product is necessary for people to have or consume. (Food, shelter, transportation) There is nothing necessary about video games. And if EA wants to continue the monopoly, they will try to make a better product. (or attempt to) And if they don't, then you have the ability to not purchase it.

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