Friends there is no super LB jump and here is why?

[Tyrant8RDFL]

The problem is not that the LB or defenders jump very high to make a play on the football. They actually jump at a realistic height. The problem is that the ball is not being thrown with any type of arc. Then making it very easy for the defender to jump up and snatch a ball that is intended for a receiver 10 yrds behind him

There is a simple fix to this. I know it works perfectly on NCAA 12, and I'm sure it will with Madden also. When I get home I will try it on the demo, and post the results.

Do you remember the feature Maximum passing, which was with 2k football. Well it works on NCAA12 pretty much the same way.

As your passing the ball (pressing the receivers icon) gently press up on the left analog and the ball will have a arc to it. It will then go over the LB or defender that is in the passing lane. Depending how far you push up and hold long you hold down the button. Will determine how much arc and length the pass will have. This can lead to some overthrows, so learn what works best with your qb.

This method works great with all routes. you just don't need it for arcing the ball. This method can also be use to adding more of a lead to a pass. I sometime turn streaks to a skinny post or throw back shoulder to throw the ball away from the closing defender.

I keep hearing gamers use the term super LB's , but that is not the case. Its the passing of the ball that is the issue, but if you exercise what I mentioned above. You want have that issue anymore.

Please note just tapping the button alone and not involving the left analog stick wont add arc to the pass. I have tried that. In the past that would work but no longer.

Anyone need anything more detailed just let me know, and I will help you out.

Hope this helps peace

[bzehrt24]

Re: Friends there is no super LB jump and here is why?

The problem is not that the LB or defenders jump very high to make a play on the football. They actually jump at a realistic height. The problem is that the ball is not being thrown with any type of arc. Then making it very easy for the defender to jump up and snatch a ball that is intended for a receiver 10 yrds behind him

There is a simple fix to this. I know it works perfectly on NCAA 12, and I'm sure it will with Madden also. When I get home I will try it on the demo, and post the results.

Do you remember the feature Maximum passing, which was with 2k football. Well it works on NCAA12 pretty much the same way.

As your passing the ball (pressing the receivers icon) gently press up on the left analog and the ball will have a arc to it. It will then go over the LB or defender that is in the passing lane. Depending how far you push up and hold long you hold down the button. Will determine how much arc and length the pass will have. This can lead to some overthrows, so learn what works best with your qb.

This method works great with all routes. you just don't need it for arcing the ball. This method can also be use to adding more of a lead to a pass. I sometime turn streaks to a skinny post or throw back shoulder to throw the ball away from the closing defender.

I keep hearing gamers use the term super LB's , but that is not the case. Its the passing of the ball that is the issue, but if you exercise what I mentioned above. You want have that issue anymore.

Please note just tapping the button alone and not involving the left analog stick wont add arc to the pass. I have tried that. In the past that would work but no longer.

Anyone need anything more detailed just let me know, and I will help you out.

Hope this helps peace

The left stick is used as a "lead the receiver" feature in Madden and NCAA. It won't throw a lob, it'll attempt to lead the receiver downfield to catch the ball, the same way as holding left will lead the receiver to the left. Completely letting go of the stick throws it the way the receiver is running.

So, it some instances, it works, but that's only when the LB is out of reach to make any sort of play. It doesn't work if you see an LB spying and try to lob it over him to hit your receiver.

EDIT: I guess a better way to say it is if a receiver is running a slant

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like that (lol), holding up will make the receiver go

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and attempt to catch the ball instead of continuing the slant. Not a lob pass, just a redirect.

[kjcheezhead]

Re: Friends there is no super LB jump and here is why?

Could you post a vid of a ball dropping over a lb and underneath the safety using this technique?

[Tyrant8RDFL]

Re: Friends there is no super LB jump and here is why?

Could you post a vid of a ball dropping over a lb and underneath the safety using this technique?

Yes I will. I will have a video up sometime tonight. Just remember I mentioned just getting the ball over the LB's or defenders that are about 10 yrds in front of the receivers. On how there are no Super LB's just passes that are thrown low.

What you are asking for is a LOB pass with a touch that falls between two defenders. I never indicated that ytpe of pass. Just getting it over the defender.

The left stick is used as a "lead the receiver" feature in Madden and NCAA. It won't throw a lob, it'll attempt to lead the receiver downfield to catch the ball, the same way as holding left will lead the receiver to the left. Completely letting go of the stick throws it the way the receiver is running.

So, it some instances, it works, but that's only when the LB is out of reach to make any sort of play. It doesn't work if you see an LB spying and try to lob it over him to hit your receiver.

EDIT: I guess a better way to say it is if a receiver is running a slant

\
.\
..\
...x
like that (lol), holding up will make the receiver go

l
\
.\
..\
...x
and attempt to catch the ball instead of continuing the slant. Not a lob pass, just a redirect.

You are correct as for leading the pass, but I have done what I mentioned numerous times , and no longer get my ball swated down or intercepted. It only happens when I do not use what I mentioned above.

I will post a video later tonight. Now Im not saying its a lob pass , but it is a pass with more arc that gets over the defenders and to the receiver. Then eliminating the whole super LB theory.

Ill have the video up no later than 9pm est.

[bzehrt24]

Re: Friends there is no super LB jump and here is why?

Yes I will. I will have a video up sometime tonight. Just remember I mentioned just getting the ball over the LB's or defenders that are about 10 yrds in front of the receivers. On how there are no Super LB's just passes that are thrown low.

What you are asking for is a LOB pass with a touch that falls between two defenders. I never indicated that ytpe of pass. Just getting it over the defender.



You are correct as for leading the pass, but I have done what I mentioned numerous times , and no longer get my ball swated down or intercepted. It only happens when I do not use what I mentioned above.

I will post a video later tonight. Now Im not saying its a lob pass , but it is a pass with more arc that gets over the defenders and to the receiver. Then eliminating the whole super LB theory.

Ill have the video up no later than 9pm est.

I've seen it work, all I'm saying is that it doesn't work 100% of the time.

I guess what we can both agree on is that we should be able to determine the velocity of the pass while also leading the receiver right or left (as opposed to it only working when we hold up), am I correct?

[RustyBlue]

Re: Friends there is no super LB jump and here is why?

I noticed that the ball we being thrown too low also. I will try this because the bullet pass is too low and the lob would be thrown too high

[StormJH1]

Re: Friends there is no super LB jump and here is why?

Could you post a vid of a ball dropping over a lb and underneath the safety using this technique?

I'm sure that he can, but it really isn't necessary. Has anyone ever played keepaway in their backyard? If you're standing more than 10 or 15 yards apart, and the person between you is more or less in the middle, it's entirely possible to arc a ball over someone without doing a full out lob. This is especially true if you use a high release point and the person throwing is tall (as the majority of NFL QB's are).

Yes, I think the lob/arc control is messed up in Madden and NCAA (and seems like it used to work better), but this is just one of several problems. The other, larger problem is the proportionality of size. All of the players are too large in proportion to the size of the field and the space of play. Guys that are 5'10" to 6'5" in real life appear to have a gigantic wingspan of about 8-10 feet.

Coupled with that is the almost superhuman awareness and ability to change directions. I think that's an underrated cause of the problem, because guys who have their head turned, are running the wrong way, etc. behave as if they are in perfect position ready to make a play on the ball. This neglects the fact that a linebacker or safety in zone coverage may be worried about multiple receivers or the possibility of the run, yet in Madden they seem to have laser-precision focus on when and where the ball is being thrown.

It will never be perfect, but I do hope that it's better in the new game.

[Broncos86]

Re: Friends there is no super LB jump and here is why?

As I've written before, it's not that the linebackers actually jump with great height. It's how they jump. They're capable reacting within milliseconds, and they're capable of changing directions w/o concern for momentum. They're able to jump vertically into the air from a back pedal.

Combine that with ball trajectory issues, and you have a recipe for frustration. Now, I have used the left analog stick to lead my WRs in the past, and it simply hasn't been a solution. As we know, the left stick supposed correspond to the WR's body. The direction you press the left stick is the area you'll throw to on the WR.

[Tyrant8RDFL]

Re: Friends there is no super LB jump and here is why?

I've seen it work, all I'm saying is that it doesn't work 100% of the time.

I guess what we can both agree on is that we should be able to determine the velocity of the pass while also leading the receiver right or left (as opposed to it only working when we hold up), am I correct?

Absolutely your correct. Now I will double check to see how often it works and it doesn't. I never really paid attention to the success rate. I know that when I'am conscious of doing the method it does come through.

I'm sure that he can, but it really isn't necessary. Has anyone ever played keepaway in their backyard? If you're standing more than 10 or 15 yards apart, and the person between you is more or less in the middle, it's entirely possible to arc a ball over someone without doing a full out lob. This is especially true if you use a high release point and the person throwing is tall (as the majority of NFL QB's are).

Yes, I think the lob/arc control is messed up in Madden and NCAA (and seems like it used to work better), but this is just one of several problems. The other, larger problem is the proportionality of size. All of the players are too large in proportion to the size of the field and the space of play. Guys that are 5'10" to 6'5" in real life appear to have a gigantic wingspan of about 8-10 feet.

Coupled with that is the almost superhuman awareness and ability to change directions. I think that's an underrated cause of the problem, because guys who have their head turned, are running the wrong way, etc. behave as if they are in perfect position ready to make a play on the ball. This neglects the fact that a linebacker or safety in zone coverage may be worried about multiple receivers or the possibility of the run, yet in Madden they seem to have laser-precision focus on when and where the ball is being thrown.

It will never be perfect, but I do hope that it's better in the new game.

Do you feel that maybe its the fact that their heads are not following the action correctly , but their body is? Thus giving us that impression that they are psychic.

I feel if the head tracking was spot on that this would not be a issue. It is like the defender know what it wants tot do , but the animation is not representing it correctly, so it looks way off.

[s38s38s]

Re: Friends there is no super LB jump and here is why?

Using the L-Stick works, to put arc on the passes, I do it often going back to Madden 10. You can lead left and right but you CAN bullet lob/put arc on passes over the LB's but in front of the safeties.

Also you can throw at a receivers feet to force them to go low to make the catch, while keeping the defender out of the play.

[Broncos86]

Re: Friends there is no super LB jump and here is why?

Absolutely your correct. Now I will double check to see how often it works and it doesn't. I never really paid attention to the success rate. I know that when I'am conscious of doing the method it does come through.



Do you feel that maybe its the fact that their heads are not following the action correctly , but their body is? Thus giving us that impression that they are psychic.

I feel if the head tracking was spot on that this would not be a issue. It is like the defender know what it wants tot do , but the animation is not representing it correctly, so it looks way off.

That reminds me of something I wrote about earlier, too. Essentially, there is no technology right now that gives defenders "vision." They don't have a vision cone of any sort. Any time you see a player's head move, it's purely cosmetic. But to us, we're looking for real-world signs that a defender "can't see." We see a defender with his back turned and the mind says "CB can't see what's behind him!" and we throw a pass. What happens? CB stops, turns around, and makes a play. The reason is because the CB did see that play, and did see the player behind him.

[rboocahrd]

Re: Friends there is no super LB jump and here is why?

I think both are true. The ball trajectory is off and players (especially non athletic players can jump to quickly. I agree that LBers aren't jumping too high but if they are going to jump that high then they need to squat down in order to get their full vertical.

[Bootzilla]

Re: Friends there is no super LB jump and here is why?

The LB's rarely get to my passes. I don't necessarily throw over them very often but, I do throw around them. With timing I can pretty much find a window to get the ball into, usually just before I get to the LB or once the WR has cleared his zone.

I use the stick to angle passes over the LBs on outs and posts and have been able to drop them in very nicely. I love throwing the low pass on comebacks.

The two main issues I see (in the demo anyway) is (1) the defenders change direction too quickly without any regard to momentum and (2) all players break away from their zone or man assignments as soon as the ball is thrown. You can have combo routes where the outside receiver is running a go route and the inside receiver is running an out. The defender checking the out route will immediately come off of his man as soon as you throw to the receiver on the go route.

Maybe this will be tuned in the retail version or the pass reaction time can be adjusted with sliders that will eliminate some of these issues without making the passing game too easy.

[Jarodd21]

Re: Friends there is no super LB jump and here is why?

Directional throwing with the left stick. I been screaming this for a while now. You can pretty much place the ball where you want to if you know how to use it. A lot of guys don't use it and thats why there pass game isn't as good as others. They just like to press the button with no use of the left stick and expect to make throws all the time. I'm great at using the left analog stick and thats why my pass game is as good as it is. Great thread man...

[mazinkaiser]

Re: Friends there is no super LB jump and here is why?

It was easier avoiding the super lb swatting or INT your passes when you could use the Dpad to control the qb. I found leading and putting touch on the ball was so much easier with the Dpad.

Madden 11 and Madden 12 only letting you use the left stick to control the qb has only made this harder for me. I no longer find madden to be a must buy any more because for an older guy like me that has been playing madden for decades change is bad.