Hit Stick and Power/Finesse Moves Should NOT be the Same Button in NCAA/Madden

[Palo20]

I hate when I'm trying to make a move with my DLine and the player ends up trying to hit stick. I think it makes no sense to have both the hit stick and power/finesse moves as the same button.

I also think it makes no sense to have the CPU decide whether or not we make a power or finesse move. The User deserves more control.

Two common issues arise:

1. It's difficult to tell if the defender is engaged with the OLineman, so the Right Stick is clicked. If for some reason they are not engaged, the defender hit sticks the air.

2. The user may click the Right Stick multiple times in trying to perform a move on the OLineman, and in doing so, he performs the power/finesse move, then proceeds to hit stick the air because he clicked the stick too much.

This is a video that shows what I'm talking about:

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[twimstaxs]

Re: Hit Stick and Power/Finesse Moves Should NOT be the Same Button in NCAA/Madden

You are hitting the HIT STICK too early if you are hit sticking through the line before contact. Dwight Freeney does not spin move before he makes contact with a OL. Furthermore you determine whether or not you finesse or power move. I have never had a problem with the HIT STICK when it comes to OL DL interaction.

[qwikphaze01]

Re: Hit Stick and Power/Finesse Moves Should NOT be the Same Button in NCAA/Madden

I hate when I'm trying to make a move with my DLine and the player ends up trying to hit stick. I think it makes no sense to have both the hit stick and power/finesse moves as the same button.

I also think it makes no sense to have the CPU decide whether or not we make a power or finesse move. The User deserves more control.

Two common issues arise:

1. It's difficult to tell if the defender is engaged with the OLineman, so the Right Stick is clicked. If for some reason they are not engaged, the defender hit sticks the air.

2. The user may click the Right Stick multiple times in trying to perform a move on the OLineman, and in doing so, he performs the power/finesse move, then proceeds to hit stick the air because he clicked the stick too much.

This is a video that shows what I'm talking about:

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I agree with you 100%, it shouldn't be a surprise to the user as to what the player is going to do when you press down on the right stick. I'm surprised this wasn't brought up earlier.

[TMJOHNS18]

Re: Hit Stick and Power/Finesse Moves Should NOT be the Same Button in NCAA/Madden

How about you stop spazzing on the stick and hit it ounce? Power moves and Finesse moves are different on the stick too.

[qwikphaze01]

Re: Hit Stick and Power/Finesse Moves Should NOT be the Same Button in NCAA/Madden

How about you stop spazzing on the stick and hit it ounce? Power moves and Finesse moves are different on the stick too.

I have even seen on kickoffs when without even touching the right stick it goes through the hit stick animation. The same issue with the triangle button. When you want to jump it only throw hands up, we should have more control over that.

[RaiderKtulu]

Re: Hit Stick and Power/Finesse Moves Should NOT be the Same Button in NCAA/Madden

<b>I have even seen on kickoffs when without even touching the right stick it goes through the hit stick animation.</b> The same issue with the triangle button. When you want to jump it only throw hands up, we should have more control over that.

I'm betting you're on the PS3, aren't you? Turn off the motion sensor function.

[Palo20]

Re: Hit Stick and Power/Finesse Moves Should NOT be the Same Button in NCAA/Madden

How about you stop spazzing on the stick and hit it ounce? Power moves and Finesse moves are different on the stick too.

Usually if you wait until the OLineman engages you, it's too late to make a move anyway. You have to use the stick just before that. The timing is difficult to gauge, and the end result of bad timing should NOT be hit sticking the air.

[Gorilla Glass]

Re: Hit Stick and Power/Finesse Moves Should NOT be the Same Button in NCAA/Madden

It would be nice if we could have the defense on the field only. That way we could level drops and line pursuits. I think the swim move buttons should be the shoulder buttons and the power move button should be ¿

[Broncos86]

Re: Hit Stick and Power/Finesse Moves Should NOT be the Same Button in NCAA/Madden

Just FYI to people, pressing down the stick is a "bull rush" while using left/right are power/finesse moves. Your player will determine which to use based on his ratings.

[Darkside63]

Re: Hit Stick and Power/Finesse Moves Should NOT be the Same Button in NCAA/Madden

I'm betting you're on the PS3, aren't you? Turn off the motion sensor function.

You mean set Motion sensor to 0 ?

[CigarCityBandit]

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This is the very reason I enjoyed 2k football so much right here.
The line control was in YOUR hands. You didnt have to wait until you were
"ENGAGED" YOU had to time it correctly. I do think Madden 11 got it right for the most part it was MUCH more responsive. This years is very different.
Let me explain what I learned a little bit last night: I was used to using the left stick to make my guy engage the offensive lineman. I learned if I just treat my DLineman like the QB in his drop after the snap I am way more likely to pull off a successful move.
So, at the snap of the ball, let the cpu move your DE or DT to the offensive lineman and as soon as he gets there do your move and then you are free to use the left stick/speed burst. Or speed burst with the right stick, IDK still trying to figure it out. It really only took 10 or so games in 11 to figure this out. Here I am almost 20 into 12 and only have a vague understanding of what the F Im supposed to do. Thats not to say Im not getting in, it just means its very random to me. I need some CONCRETE evidence of what I need to do to have satisfaction!
This is really a lame way to allow people to control the lineman but after repeatedly trying over and over to figure out the most responsive way to use the controls I really think this is the most effective way.

[CigarCityBandit]

Re: Hit Stick and Power/Finesse Moves Should NOT be the Same Button in NCAA/Madden

And by the way this "System" for Dline control is completely UNREALISTIC. No DE "Waits" for a tackle to "Engage" him to use a swim move or rip move. The Ball is snapped, the DE fires off the line and uses a move BEFORE he gets tied up by a freaking lineman. Yeah, to the other posters point, using a Spin move is completely different and IMO is only worth using AFTER you have tried and failed to get around the tackle, usually the tackle has ridden you upfield and the best move to get back to the qb downfield is to spin back to the inside. So yeah, with THAT move you are already engaged.

[oneamongthefence]

Re: Hit Stick and Power/Finesse Moves Should NOT be the Same Button in NCAA/Madden

I'm just shocked that the motion sensor does something in Madden. That's a 4 yo mystery solved for me right there.

[Palo20]

Re: Hit Stick and Power/Finesse Moves Should NOT be the Same Button in NCAA/Madden

Another point: this is just as bad if not worst on kickoffs. Since the screen is zoomed out, it's very difficult to tell if your player is close enough to perform a move to get off the block. This results in a lot of missed hit sticks as well.

Two years ago, the Madden team discussed how, according to their numbers, something like 5% of hit sticks actually connected.

This is one of the main reasons why there are hit stick misses.

[NoTrouble]

Re: Hit Stick and Power/Finesse Moves Should NOT be the Same Button in NCAA/Madden

Just FYI to people, pressing down the stick is a "bull rush" while using left/right are power/finesse moves. Your player will determine which to use based on his ratings.

Unless you have a broken player like Mario Williams, in that case you will do the same spin move as in the OPs video every single time and there is nothing you can do about it.