NCAA Football 12: Title Update #2 Thoughts

[RaychelSnr]

NCAA Title Update #2 is far from a perfect patch -- you just have to ask PS3 users and they'll tell you that. But when you get down into the meat and potatoes of the gameplay, there are some real improvements here. Find out what our own Dustin Toms thinks of the update by clicking the link below!

NCAA Football 12: Title Update #2 Thoughts

[BenGerman]

I agree. I think (and I think by just being a member of the forum, I can understand why) we as sim gamers tend to overlook the fun factor. EA just isn't producing a top tier sports game in either of its football series, but they aren't half bad either. I look at it as its a series that continues to strive for improvement, and has made a lot of improvements since '07. It makes me wonder if the gameplay engine that was first implemented this gen kind of screwed them over to making any kind of major overhaul as far as gameplay goes.

[misterkrabz]

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I agree. I think (and I think by just being a member of the forum, I can understand why) we as sim gamers tend to overlook the fun factor. EA just isn't producing a top tier sports game in either of its football series, but they aren't half bad either. I look at it as its a series that continues to strive for improvement, and has made a lot of improvements since '07. It makes me wonder if the gameplay engine that was first implemented this gen kind of screwed them over to making any kind of major overhaul as far as gameplay goes.

The game play is getting better but it's still frustrating in a lot of ways. For some reason little things really annoy me like when playing defense and you want to dive to make a tackle (or use hit stick) your man never seems to dive towards the ball carrier...well sometimes he does but it's no where even close as accurate as last gen....there just just seems to be a problem with the fluidity of man you're controlling and a problem with the system switching you to the right man when you switch guys on defense...things like that were never a problem on last gen....maybe the game engine has something to do with it?

[Hooe]

NCAA is now more enjoyable than Madden, and should be your top football choice until Madden receives similar treatment via a patch.

Way to offer an opinion as fact. I in fact am thoroughly enjoying Madden as it stands right now and have no desire to play NCAA again this year. On-the-field, there's a different experience in both games to be enjoyed, depending on one's tastes, and neither should be outright dismissed so thoroughly and irresponsibly.

Further, while I realize that the focus of this article is on-the-field aspects, that online dynasty still is non-functional for myself, my brother, and our local friends continues to completely ruined the enjoyment of this game for me. I understand that not everyone is having this issue, however, but this game likely will not get back into my rotation at all until the file transfer and misreported game results issues are completely resolved.

[oldman]

I was happy with the patch until I realized that the option defense for the CPU seems to be broken. That ruined the game because I play in a online dynasty with 9 other people. Are we now supposed to say that no one can run an option play? What a joke.

Also, where is the advance anywhere option? They touted that as one of their big new features, yet it wasn't ready at release so then they said it would be ready in August. September is almost here and it still isn't available.

[Hooe]

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Also, where is the advance anywhere option? They touted that as one of their big new features, yet it wasn't ready at release so then they said it would be ready in August. September is almost here and it still isn't available.

Advance Anywhere is accessible via the Online Dynasty website. It was unlocked for free for everyone earlier this year. I used it a couple of times while my online dynasty still worked.

[oldman]

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Advance Anywhere is accessible via the Online Dynasty website. It was unlocked for free for everyone earlier this year. I used it a couple of times while my online dynasty still worked.

Where at? I am on the website and can't find it.

To the OP, I like Madden tons better by the way. The only reason I am still playing this is because of my OD, which only works every now and then.

Another question is this, can we compile a list of all the problems that have been created since the release of the second patch?

What I know of are the following:

CPU option defense doesn't cover correctly
Recruit tendencies are messed up

[oldman]

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Way to offer an opinion as fact. I in fact am thoroughly enjoying Madden as it stands right now and have no desire to play NCAA again this year. On-the-field, there's a different experience in both games to be enjoyed, depending on one's tastes, and neither should be outright dismissed so thoroughly and irresponsibly.

Further, while I realize that the focus of this article is on-the-field aspects, that online dynasty still is non-functional for myself, my brother, and our local friends continues to completely ruined the enjoyment of this game for me. I understand that not everyone is having this issue, however, but this game likely will not get back into my rotation at all until the file transfer and misreported game results issues are completely resolved.

You and I have a similar problem. The OD issues ruined the game for me. However I did have hope once the new patch was released, but seeing all the problems coming out of it have put me right back in the same situation.

[nortobc]

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Recruit tendencies are messed up

I believe this has always been an issue.

[Gotmadskillzson]

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IMO the gameplay engine is starting to become the catch all excuse for everything that they didn't fix or improve on. Reminds me of a person who blames their environment or growing up without their father for them not succeeding in life.

It comes a time when a person have to stop blaming other things and start pointing the blame at themselves. I mean 6 years now, you can't still be using the gameplay engine as an excuse.

I mean what is going to happen when the new consoles come out and they have a new engine, what they going to say then ? It's a new engine and it will take us a few years to get use to the new tech ?

History repeating itself. Vast majority of this stuff is FIXABLE with the current engine. Last I checked the PS and PS2 didn't have a physics engine and they still had pass interference calls.

The problem isn't the engine, the problem is their probability ratio of stuff happening is severely FLAWED. The AI grouping probability ration tree that controls the cpu AI behaviour needs to be fixed.

Fixed to the point where the cpu recognizes who is on the field and who isn't on the field. That way they won't be calling the same passing plays even though their star QB is knocked out for the season. I mean this is something they introduced in Madden 10, but it never made its way to NCAA.

Ball carrier vision for players need to be seriously fixed. Players need to use the ENTIRE FIELD when they are running. The way it is now, players have tunnel vision, they don't see the entire field. That is why everytime they run the ball, they stick to the side of the field the play is called on and never look to cut back all the way back to the other side of the field.

Anybody that has been watching college football knows full well that fast players will cut back all the way across the field if it is open because they KNOW they have the speed advantage. If you watched the Miami vs Ohio St game, Travis Benjamin was doing it all game long on punt returns and Miller was doing it running out of the backfield.

When it comes to real assignment AI, that needs to be fixed. WRs, TEs and FBs NEED TO BLOCK. Guards and Centers need to get out in front of the RB on toss plays and option runs. Georgia Tech is killing teams this year with their option attack. Why ? Because their WRs BLOCK and their guards get out in FRONT of the RB and BLOCK.

You don't need a new engine to fix that. Hell I am living proof you don't because I fixed it myself with their CURRENT ENGINE. So if I could fix it, I know damn well a person whose job is to make video games can fix it.

[BadAssHskr]

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Where at? I am on the website and can't find it.

i'm looking at it now. across the top it say:

Dynasty Hub, Stories, Recruiting, Roster, Schedule, Top 25 Poll, Stat Leaders, SuperSim.

[mkharsh33]

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I believe the complexities and multifaceted styles of gameplay for game of football will never allow for a game to be created that provides the wide-ranging needs of the game. I don't think they'll ever be able to create or patch the game for the option play. I've deleted the 2nd patch... as a strictly offline gamer, it ruined it for me and the sliders i created were destroyed by the patch. but i'll keep playing and just deal with it...

[illwill10]

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I agree. I think (and I think by just being a member of the forum, I can understand why) we as sim gamers tend to overlook the fun factor. EA just isn't producing a top tier sports game in either of its football series, but they aren't half bad either. I look at it as its a series that continues to strive for improvement, and has made a lot of improvements since '07. It makes me wonder if the gameplay engine that was first implemented this gen kind of screwed them over to making any kind of major overhaul as far as gameplay goes.

I wonder how well they will do losing a couple devs to Madden.
Gameplay and audio/commentary/presentation needs to be the main focus next year. There should be a total overhaul. Passing needs to be refined, touch and more arches. Running in whole needs to be redone. Slow down running(not sprint), actual planting and having to recover, slow down reaction, and running styles. WR/DB interaction needs to overhaul, jumpball and ball in air situations. OL/DL interaction and blocking needs to be redone. KR and PR needs to be fixed. New commentary, really add the college atmosphere.
I would like them to focus on those areas of the game.

[knighthawksfan]

I love ncaa football 12 go hawkeyes!!!!!!!

[illwill10]

Re: NCAA Football 12: Title Update #2 Thoughts

IMO the gameplay engine is starting to become the catch all excuse for everything that they didn't fix or improve on. Reminds me of a person who blames their environment or growing up without their father for them not succeeding in life.

It comes a time when a person have to stop blaming other things and start pointing the blame at themselves. I mean 6 years now, you can't still be using the gameplay engine as an excuse.

I mean what is going to happen when the new consoles come out and they have a new engine, what they going to say then ? It's a new engine and it will take us a few years to get use to the new tech ?

History repeating itself. Vast majority of this stuff is FIXABLE with the current engine. Last I checked the PS and PS2 didn't have a physics engine and they still had pass interference calls.

The problem isn't the engine, the problem is their probability ratio of stuff happening is severely FLAWED. The AI grouping probability ration tree that controls the cpu AI behaviour needs to be fixed.

Fixed to the point where the cpu recognizes who is on the field and who isn't on the field. That way they won't be calling the same passing plays even though their star QB is knocked out for the season. I mean this is something they introduced in Madden 10, but it never made its way to NCAA.

Ball carrier vision for players need to be seriously fixed. Players need to use the ENTIRE FIELD when they are running. The way it is now, players have tunnel vision, they don't see the entire field. That is why everytime they run the ball, they stick to the side of the field the play is called on and never look to cut back all the way back to the other side of the field.

Anybody that has been watching college football knows full well that fast players will cut back all the way across the field if it is open because they KNOW they have the speed advantage. If you watched the Miami vs Ohio St game, Travis Benjamin was doing it all game long on punt returns and Miller was doing it running out of the backfield.

When it comes to real assignment AI, that needs to be fixed. WRs, TEs and FBs NEED TO BLOCK. Guards and Centers need to get out in front of the RB on toss plays and option runs. Georgia Tech is killing teams this year with their option attack. Why ? Because their WRs BLOCK and their guards get out in FRONT of the RB and BLOCK.

You don't need a new engine to fix that. Hell I am living proof you don't because I fixed it myself with their CURRENT ENGINE. So if I could fix it, I know damn well a person whose job is to make video games can fix it.

Fully agree.
I do think once the new consoles come out thay they will have a new gameplay engine(physic). Hopefully they carry over the features instead over completely starting over and streamlining modes.