The 2K12 Layup/Dunk Package Thread

**infam0us** · 09-19-2011, 03:07 PM

Re: The 2K12 Layup/Dunk Package Thread

Should be in the roster section. Topics like these is why I said in a previous thread that I think we need a player specific animation thread like the MLB the Show forum has one. You can have people post the videos of post moves and crossovers and sig-shots. Keep things a bit more organized.

**2k10Fonzarelli** · 09-26-2011, 07:07 PM

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Thanks for making a thread like this. Player Animation packages have been a leading interest of mine since we've been able to change them(2k9?)

Sometime its nice to see the same one carry over from year to year, sometimes not so much. In the case of vince and Kobe ,for example, I think they should have 2 packages for each player. One, representing their younger years and another representing they're current choice in strong finishes.

Alot of the players you mentioned (DeRozan, Griffin) demand a fresh dunk package. But in the case of Wes Johnson and E. Turner, they're styles also deserve to be represented for 2 reasons.

1) Though Turner isn't a high flier, his dunk package is a good fit for similarly built/athletic players. Wes Johnson on the other hand can str8 out fly, Though i find his after dunk animations to be a bit out of place from time to time. Or, rather, not exclusive to his dunk package or how he actually celebrates his dunks in NBA games.

2) Both players mo-capped NBA 2k11, so for VC to say "thanks for the one year, we don't need your dunk animations anymore" isn't fair to them, to future mo-cappers, and us the people who support our favorite sports game company(assuming people care about things like that, which they probably do)

My biggest request(s) in the dunk/lay-up package discussion would be

1) Ability to openly view and edit dunk packages similar to how we made a dribble package in 2k11. Don't like VC's Elbow dunk? Take it out of your game.
Think J-Rich should be throwing down this windmill instead of that one, make it so number 1

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With the specialty dunk section(which i'll expand on shortly) this should be possible and i'm very surprised that more people don't push for this. Especially the animation stifflers. Instead it's all about authentic headbands and the way whats his name ties his shoes. We'll have to wait and see.

2) ability to create, name and save multipul dunk/lay-up packages.
This could save VC a bit of time while at the same time making more of their game available to edit by paying users. Who doesn't want more for their money, especially nowadays in this cyclical consumer 'Culture' of North America.

When I first heard about specialty dunks i though we had reached that particular nirvana, but after using them in conjunction for extended periods of time they seem out of place and not just because a few of them are unrealistic, but also because they seemed to take priority over whatever dunk package you chose.

Not to mention they've been the same since they were implemented, and their only a handful to pick from and 10 slots to assign them to, which is definitely better then a lesser number but 25, i think, would be a better more realistic number.

So, in short, 'Specialty Dunks' should include every dunk in the game, all of them!!!!!!!. We seemingly have access to everything else except all dunk and lay-up animations.

I mean, this year we'll have the ability to (sort of) create-a-jumpshot by combining different lower body animations with different upper body animations. Creating a Dunk would be a messy process(NBA in the zone by Konami, or was it the NBA Shootout series?) so a system like that would need time, but creating a package seems like something that can be done and polished in a years time.

No one with the game has posted any information on this yet so I can still hope, but if it's the same specialty dunks this year and only a few new obligatory dunk/lay-up packages (Griffin) i'll be a bit disappointed in this department.

To end on a positive, Im really liking some of the new dunks exclusive to 2k12 that we've seen in videos so far. Especially a few by dirk and one particular Alley-oop by James. See : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7lJAVE5_m_M

DUNK PACKAGES:

New Current Players Packages: Pretty Much everyone you mentioned, the more the merrier)

New Legends Packages: Again, no disagreement or addendum's here. Actually, why not throw Wilt in there? And a classic Shaq package would be icing on the cake. ok, maybe 3 addendums then, a Barkley package called 'Guerilla Dunks' that would cover a few people like L.Ellis from the '94 Nuggets

Ones I think should NOT Return: See: The more the Merrier. Personally i'm a big fan of Worthy's old 'go up with 1 and finish with 2'

Ones I think should be Updated: The 'generic' packages, Rimgrazer, Athletic Guard(which seems updates judging by the Kobe Dunk package video. Oh, and Melo seems really outdated

On a side note, The video showed that Kobe's actual dunk package is not selectable, meaning either 1)you have to unlock it or 2) its that same silly glitch from last year that only dunkers with a rating of 80 or higher can have an 'advanced' dunk package. Both of which are pretty....bad

LAYUP PACKAGES: Again, you seems to cover all the bases here, but i'd like to suggest an Awkward Bigman package.

New Current Players Packages:

New Legends Packages: You forgot Mr. Logo/Mr. Clutch, Jerry West. Definately alot of signature style to be had there.

**rbillan** · 09-26-2011, 07:12 PM

Re: The 2K12 Layup/Dunk Package Thread

penny hardaway for sure should have his own lay-up n dunk package

**fatleg3** · 09-26-2011, 07:18 PM

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I know Dwight Howard has to have a dunk package

**tksr#1** · 09-26-2011, 07:30 PM

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no SHAWN KEMP dunk package???

**XenoZograscope** · 09-26-2011, 07:42 PM

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I still cant believe 2k hasn't given Rudy Gay his own dunk package by now, that is beyond me. Trevor Ariza is another possible candidate for having his own sig dunk package too imo. 2K might should consider adding a unathletic bigman dunk package also.

**Rockafella2x** · 09-26-2011, 07:56 PM

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nick young own layup package? wait what?

**tmoney2345** · 09-26-2011, 08:17 PM

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I am crazy bout my layup/dunk packages as well. I totally agree with everything the person that created this post and what 2k10fonzarelli has said. I would love to be able to edit and pick and choose any dunk for any player.

Blake Griffin and Derozan definitely need their own dunk packages. Would love to see some dunk packages that reflect Shaq, Kobe, and Vinsanity in their primes. Also 99% of the time Lebron should be doing his classic (one handed Lebron-a-hawk, full extension, looking down at the rim dunk). There are a few different variations of this already in the game with how his legs and feet take off and land after the dunk and sometimes slight differences in how he torques his body during the dunk. Lebron shouldn't be doing 2 handed dunks or the double clutch kobe-esque dunk, thats in his package, nearly as often as he does. It should mostly be the Lebron-a-hawk like stated above.

The thing that takes the realism away from me at times, is the insane windmill dunks like thats in wes johnson's dunk package. I wouldn't mind it on a fast break but i hate seeing it in traffic. Wish there was a way that only certain dunks would trigger in only "fast break" situations. That would be dunk editing nirvana.

**Austin_Ben** · 09-26-2011, 08:35 PM

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Originally posted by Rockafella2x

nick young own layup package? wait what?

Probably gave him that 360 reverse layup that he did this season

**SIZEqueen** · 09-26-2011, 09:08 PM

I'd love to see a good overall big man package. Better than what we've had in the past. Guys like Boozer or K Mart should get a package or at least make a big man package that does a lot of 2 handlers with slight tomahawk action, and a slight hang. Boozer always hangs from one hand when finishing, while swinging with the momentum.

I can't remember what game it was, but it was roughly 11-12 years ago. You could make your own dunks. I loved it. Possibly Inside Drive?

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**2k10Fonzarelli** · 09-26-2011, 10:04 PM

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Those concerned will be happy to note that Both Howard and Kemp already have Signature Dunk packages(see : NBA 2K11). They could use a slight tweak here or there, especially Kemp.

Also, building on what SIZEqueen said, they should include multipul Generic Packages for players who prefer to dunk 2 handed or 1 handed, gather off 2 feet or 1 foot.

Boozer and K-Mart had some pretty serious dunks over their careers. Though both seem to be past their athletic primes, they still need a dunk package that does their style of dunking some justice.

I have a feeling that this thread should be re-titled The NBA 2k13 Lay-up/Dunk Package thread because its a little late to suggest additions to 2k12. I also feel that this type of discussion should remain independent of the Official wishlist for 2k13 as semantics like these are easily lost in the mess of other great ideas that appear in such a thread. For all we know, all this speculation will be realised by most in just over a week's time.

But, maybe we can get the attention of someone who has the game already. Ken North always seems to get his a week early, and he's very generous in releasing information prior to release. anyone know him or anyone else?

Mind you, I remember reading something a few years ago that mentions 2k's/VC's ability to add animations through an NBA today update.

...and now i realise the NBA lockout will prevent NBA today updates so perhaps the previous statement is irrelevant. Or perhaps i'm wrong entirely

Lastly, building on what Tmoney mentioned. Seeing windmill dunks in heavy traffic from anyone besides a young Vince also take a bit away from the realism for me too.
What will kill you about that is trying to understand why such a system WAS present in NBA 2k10 but absent in 2k11. Or perhaps, it was just the W Johnson Dunk package that didn't have that limiter on it

Before 2k10, a (now unfortunately banned) member had a thread dedicated to assigning realistic packages to players whose packages were a little too unrealistic in the context of total realism. Maybe it was that movement that prompted Visual Concept to implement such a system in 2k10.

I've always felt that while he was largely right, there should be a little room left for some excellent highlight moments as there's always potential for a 'video game' like dunk to appear on Sportscenter on any given night. But nothing along the lines of Windmills, 360's and pump reverses in heavy traffic, though that ability to do so should be made available for those who want it.

So, 2k/VC if your reading this, please re-implement this realistic dunk in traffic setting for users who use Sim settings if you haven't already done so. If thats not the case, maybe a slight tweak to Certain Dunk packages will acheive this effect

**tmoney2345** · 09-27-2011, 12:11 AM

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I totally agree with you Fonzarelli. I think we may have been switched at birth lol. I am also a huge KMart fan and always wondered myself why he never got his own dunk package. His dunks with the Nets during the Kidd and Jefferson days were priceless. He was the fiercest dunker I've ever seen. I just loved his raw enthusiasm and wanting to rip the rim down on someone's head on every attempt...very Neon Beudoux like (Shaqs character from the hoops movie Blue Chips). Basically most of the rim hang dunks using the Dwight Howard dunk package kinda fit KMart last yr on 2k11. If they could get the signature celebration when he would be pulling on his jersey after a vicious dunk...that would be perfect.

P.S. If anyone gets the Neon Beudoux reference...I wouldn't mind if they got Butch McCray his own dunk package as well

**fatleg3** · 09-27-2011, 10:08 AM

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Originally posted by tmoney2345

I totally agree with you Fonzarelli. I think we may have been switched at birth lol. I am also a huge KMart fan and always wondered myself why he never got his own dunk package. His dunks with the Nets during the Kidd and Jefferson days were priceless. He was the fiercest dunker I've ever seen. I just loved his raw enthusiasm and wanting to rip the rim down on someone's head on every attempt...very Neon Beudoux like (Shaqs character from the hoops movie Blue Chips). Basically most of the rim hang dunks using the Dwight Howard dunk package kinda fit KMart last yr on 2k11. If they could get the signature celebration when he would be pulling on his jersey after a vicious dunk...that would be perfect.

P.S. If anyone gets the Neon Beudoux reference...I wouldn't mind if they got Butch McCray his own dunk package as well

Off topic but i just watched blue chips on hbo yesterday lol

**return.specialist** · 06-09-2012, 01:59 PM

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Originally posted by 2k10Fonzarelli

Also, building on what SIZEqueen said, they should include multipul Generic Packages for players who prefer to dunk 2 handed or 1 handed, gather off 2 feet or 1 foot.

This would add a great deal of realism to this game because there a number of players, especially those 6'2" and under, who may be able to dunk off of one or two feet, but typically exhibit one or the other in a game setting because it is their default orientation. I would venture to say that the majority of players will almost always revert to their most natural plant whilst dunking in games. However, some of premier leapers, e.g. prime VC, MJ, etc., definitely alternate one- or two-foot gathers according to situation.

There are complaints of unrealistic dunks in the games, e.g. windmills, between-the-legs, etc., and while these concerns are not unfounded, I feel that non-dominant-hand and unnatural-gather dunks are more unrealistic. For example, Jason Richardson has demonstrated his ability to perform 360s in the game setting, however it is unlikely he would ever plant first with his right foot, lead with his left, spin in a clockwise motion, and finish with his left hand--JRich is a left-right planter who will spin counterclockwise and almost always finish with his right hand.

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