L'imporant c'est pas la chute, c'est l'aterrisage!

[gabs485]

This is the story of a game that falls from the top ranks. The devs as it falls down, just to feel safe, repete tirelessly to themselves:so far so good. So far so good. So far so good. But the important thing is not the fall, it's the landing.

First of all, let me point out that I don’t usually post here, but since I’ve been unemployed for the last couple of months, I have found myself with time to hit the sticks and watch some football. Also, I have lots of time to analyze Madden, and more importantly, think about how it could be improve.

I would focus my analysis on the gameplay aspects of the game, and ignore glaring issues and bugs that everyone knows about. So with that clear, let me point out that generally Madden is a solid and beautiful game, yet it still lacks the ability to make us jump out of our seat or even surprise us, while we are playing the game.

I’ve been reading these forums for a while and I would like to point out that in comparison with other sports games (NBA 2k, The Show and FIFA) Madden lacks excitement, period. It feels flat, once you’ve played 10 games, it’s going to be the same thing over and over just in a different context or situation. If you read these forums, especially NBA 2k and The Show, you would see how much the gamers enjoy PLAYING those games, seeing the “little things” and describing things that happen to them while and again on caps, PLAYING THE GAME.

Madden lacks the “ridiculous” circus catch, the head rocking hit, the barry sander’s type of jukes, you see where I’m going with this? Players do not difference themselves from each other, everyone moves the same, everyone has the same catching animations, everyone jukes the same way, everyone celebrate the same way, it just plain boring. Every play looks the same, and it’s not because of the playbooks it’s because there’s a lack of personality (animations) in the game. I see the same catching animations every game. And it’s frustrating when you play games like NBA 2k, FIFA and the things you can do while playing the game.

With Madden all you read in this forum (and NCAA’s) is frustrated gamers. And they are right, because all they (we) do is try to figure out ways (workarounds) to make the game realistic or bearable for some. Which is not their responsibility, how many hours do you guys put on trying to get the perfect set of sliders that makes the game less unrealistic? I’m pretty sure most gamers here spend at least more than 10% of their playing time adjusting the game itself, deterring the whole experience. (Which is so funny because the sliders themselves don’t actually work).

Madden team needs a change in the way they make this game, something drastic has to be done. They have smart people and great developers but they are lacking direction and a sense of what is essential for the game to be great. It is unacceptable that some of the bugs passed QA, and I don’t know what goes around inside the studio but someone needs to be accountable for all of this. I sense a culture of easiness and lack of accountability within the dev team. (I’m basing this in the fact that one dev acknowledged an issue with weather in franchise mode and just said they might fix it if they have time). Quality needs to be one of team’s values for the game to improve because it is not a quality product, it’s below the standards and doesn’t meet the customer expectations.



For the moment, everything is fine, but at the end, Madden will crash hard.

[danstenz14]

Re: L'imporant c'est pas la chute, c'est l'aterrisage!

wow man. you nailed it right on the head. good post. but as an avid sports gamer, it is sad that the nations most popular sport is represented so poorly in a lot of aspects of the game and we stomach it because only one gaming company owns the rights to the NFL...

i only criticize so harshly this year because this isn't new for EA. And every year there are the "People are going to hate no matter what" and "You can't please everyone..." statements. But maybe when EVERYONE is upset, maybe it is justified. Maybe this one is on EA. Maybe im out of my mind, but maybe im just like everyone else....

[SageWonder]

Here's a question I'd like to pose to the community:

If EA had exclusive rights to the NBA, would Elite have actually been released in the state it was in? I would say "absolutely yes". But a great competitor still exists in that field, so releasing an unfinished product wouldn't be in their best interest.

Sent using common sense.

[Tyrant8RDFL]

Re: L'imporant c'est pas la chute, c'est l'aterrisage!

This is the story of a game that falls from the top ranks. The devs as it falls down, just to feel safe, repete tirelessly to themselves:so far so good. So far so good. So far so good. But the important thing is not the fall, it's the landing.

First of all, let me point out that I don’t usually post here, but since I’ve been unemployed for the last couple of months, I have found myself with time to hit the sticks and watch some football. Also, I have lots of time to analyze Madden, and more importantly, think about how it could be improve.

I would focus my analysis on the gameplay aspects of the game, and ignore glaring issues and bugs that everyone knows about. So with that clear, let me point out that generally Madden is a solid and beautiful game, yet it still lacks the ability to make us jump out of our seat or even surprise us, while we are playing the game.

I’ve been reading these forums for a while and I would like to point out that in comparison with other sports games (NBA 2k, The Show and FIFA) Madden lacks excitement, period. It feels flat, once you’ve played 10 games, it’s going to be the same thing over and over just in a different context or situation. If you read these forums, especially NBA 2k and The Show, you would see how much the gamers enjoy PLAYING those games, seeing the “little things” and describing things that happen to them while and again on caps, PLAYING THE GAME.

Madden lacks the “ridiculous” circus catch, the head rocking hit, the barry sander’s type of jukes, you see where I’m going with this? Players do not difference themselves from each other, everyone moves the same, everyone has the same catching animations, everyone jukes the same way, everyone celebrate the same way, it just plain boring. Every play looks the same, and it’s not because of the playbooks it’s because there’s a lack of personality (animations) in the game. I see the same catching animations every game. And it’s frustrating when you play games like NBA 2k, FIFA and the things you can do while playing the game.

With Madden all you read in this forum (and NCAA’s) is frustrated gamers. And they are right, because all they (we) do is try to figure out ways (workarounds) to make the game realistic or bearable for some. Which is not their responsibility, how many hours do you guys put on trying to get the perfect set of sliders that makes the game less unrealistic? I’m pretty sure most gamers here spend at least more than 10% of their playing time adjusting the game itself, deterring the whole experience. (Which is so funny because the sliders themselves don’t actually work).

Madden team needs a change in the way they make this game, something drastic has to be done. They have smart people and great developers but they are lacking direction and a sense of what is essential for the game to be great. It is unacceptable that some of the bugs passed QA, and I don’t know what goes around inside the studio but someone needs to be accountable for all of this. I sense a culture of easiness and lack of accountability within the dev team. (I’m basing this in the fact that one dev acknowledged an issue with weather in franchise mode and just said they might fix it if they have time). Quality needs to be one of team’s values for the game to improve because it is not a quality product, it’s below the standards and doesn’t meet the customer expectations.



For the moment, everything is fine, but at the end, Madden will crash hard.

Totally repsect your opinion as this is the way it would go with any game in any genre. In the end we all feel differently about a title.

There is no wrong or right in it simply because how we feel is right for us.

Now I see in your thread you have some valid points, but some of them I simply wouldnt put any thought into it, but you do.

I can agree there should be different juke animations depending on the player, and different running animations also. All players do not juke or run the same. This is where games like NBA and MLB the show do very nicely. They truly capture the signature style of the individual players in the sport.

Where I disagree is with the catching animations. I don't seem to get that one, but maybe you can elaborate on that. I just dont think their are any signature catch animations.

I also disagree with the game feeling the same every single time. I do not get that experience.

I will agree that many do play with sldiers over and over again, but that to me does not imply that the game is broken. Sliders are there so gamers can have options. Sliders are with all titles, and some gamers tend to mess them with all the time regardless of the game, or how solid it is. Sliders are just the norm.

Speaking for myself. Im really enjoying both titles this years (Madden and NCAA). I can honeslty say I was never even the bit happy with any Madden from 06-10. 11 showed me some life, and 12 is much better.

I dont feel Madden 12 is a bad title at all.

[danstenz14]

Re: L'imporant c'est pas la chute, c'est l'aterrisage!

I dont feel Madden 12 is a bad title at all.

i would certainly not say that MADDEN12 is a bad game...by any means. the point of my comment, at least, is that EA has opportunities. The game has a potential. and for some reason, that potential is never met, and they always seem to leave us underwhelmed.

even looking at 2k, they have had no competitor for the last 2 years, they released one of the all time greatest sports games last season, and this year (based on all of the reviews and the demo) they went even farther and pushed the game to a new level.

EA produces a game that is satisfactory and nothing beyond that. if they really wanted, they would find a way to drastically improve the greatest selling sports franchise/money maker of all time. but they have no desire...or they are just flat out inept in doing so, in which case, they should turn the NFL license over to someone (2k) who is.

(which they wont)

[Segagendude]

Re: L'imporant c'est pas la chute, c'est l'aterrisage!

Can you translate the thread title please? Thank you.

[danstenz14]

Re: L'imporant c'est pas la chute, c'est l'aterrisage!

If I was jobless, this would not be an effective use of my time. Hell to sit and analyze a game in which you have no control over is an absolute waste of time.

I just don't get these threads anymore.

The internet gives a place for all the complainers to complain.

I'm just curious, how often do you play the game?

I have a job. I have a son. In my spare time though, being an avid football fan, I would like to play a game in which the subject I am passionate about is a fair representation of what i see on sundays. especially if it is coming with a $60 price tag.

read the threads, we aren't the only one who feel this way either.

and the only reason why i post any opinion is in the hope that EA will read it and at least take it into consideration.

EA produces a fun game undoubtedly, and i will be first in line to give them credit for that...i think i and many others out there just wish that they would take it to the next level, considering the quality of other sports games, such as NBA 2K and MLB: THE SHOW.

[gabs485]

Re: L'imporant c'est pas la chute, c'est l'aterrisage!

Totally repsect your opinion as this is the way it would go with any game in any genre. In the end we all feel differently about a title.

There is no wrong or right in it simply because how we feel is right for us.

Now I see in your thread you have some valid points, but some of them I simply wouldn't put any thought into it, but you do.

I can agree there should be different juke animations depending on the player, and different running animations also. All players do not juke or run the same. This is where games like NBA and MLB the show do very nicely. They truly capture the signature style of the individual players in the sport.

Where I disagree is with the catching animations. I don't seem to get that one, but maybe you can elaborate on that. I just dont think their are any signature catch animations.

I also disagree with the game feeling the same every single time. I do not get that experience.

I will agree that many do play with sldiers over and over again, but that to me does not imply that the game is broken. Sliders are there so gamers can have options. Sliders are with all titles, and some gamers tend to mess them with all the time regardless of the game, or how solid it is. Sliders are just the norm.

Speaking for myself. Im really enjoying both titles this years (Madden and NCAA). I can honeslty say I was never even the bit happy with any Madden from 06-10. 11 showed me some life, and 12 is much better.

I dont feel Madden 12 is a bad title at all.

My apologies for not being clear enough. I'm not asking for signature catching animations, what I'm trying to explain is that right now in Madden 12 basically every receiver can trigger the same catching animations. What makes it different is the success rate of the catch. Which is based on the receiver ratings.

For example, right now in Madden 12, Larry Fitzgerald and Robert Meachen have the same animations for catching the ball. The same one handed catch, the same tip toe sideline animations, the same over the shoulder catch, in conclusion their movement is the same. What makes it different is their rating and physical attributes. Which is unrealistic because Fitzgerald IRL adjusts to the ball and makes circus catches like no other receiver in the game, but in Madden he makes the same catches that everybody else does, except he does it with more frequency.

Imagine if Tim Duncan had access to Lebron James dunking animations, how bad would it look to you?

And just to be clear, Madden is a great game and an amazing one. Sure, If you compare it with Madden 06-10. But if you measure it up against NBA 2k, The Show or Fifa, Madden is way below today's standards. It´s just plain and simple garbage. And what's sad is that, us gamers have lowered our level of expectation with the game, thus making it really difficult for a change to happen.

Madden would be as dead as NBA Live if it wasn't for the exclusive license agreement. And I'm not a ***** by any means, I'm just a football lover that would like to enjoy his video game.

And sorry for my grammar, English is not my native language but I promise next time I will improve.

[kpkpkp]

Re: L'imporant c'est pas la chute, c'est l'aterrisage!

Can you translate the thread title please? Thank you.

I changed my mind; I think it means

"The fall is not important, its the landing."

Then again my French is lowsy... I know the first part means 'its not the fall that is important' and I beleive the French word "Atterissage" means "landing."

So thats how I came to my conclusion..

[debauchlord]

Re: L'imporant c'est pas la chute, c'est l'aterrisage!

EA produces a game that is satisfactory and nothing beyond that. if they really wanted, they would find a way to drastically improve the greatest selling sports franchise/money maker of all time. but they have no desire...or they are just flat out inept in doing so, in which case, they should turn the NFL license over to someone (2k) who is.

(which they wont)

Why has this lie existed for this long? Again, EA was offered NFL exclusivity by the NFL. NFL offered this exclusivity to approximately ZERO other companies. The NFL, in its (mis)guided attempts to control its license, wants only one company per license issued...i.e. one company for shoes, one company for jerseys, etc. etc. One company for videogames. IF EA decided to not renew its contract with the NFL what would happen? The license would pass to another? I would argue that if EA decided not to renew the license, the NFL wouldn't even issue a license for videogaming unless a major, established company steps up to pay for their own exclusivity.

[Carlboy82]

Re: L'imporant c'est pas la chute, c'est l'aterrisage!

I also believe you hit this spot on. I also believe I can say this, because i have purchased Madden every year since it first came out. As for those individuals that believe the internet is just a place to air complaints, thats absolutely not true. Forums for the most part are a place to voice your opinion, be it Pro or Con. And I don't see a thing wrong with varied opinions. I mean seriously, how good would this forum ( Madden ) be if all the post were " Madden is great " " Madden is perfect " " Madden has no issues " Pretty f------- boring. If you love this game, thats fine. If you hate this game thats fine. If you think this game is just so so, thats also fine. If you want to go to a place where everything is good and perfect, then wait until you take the dirt nap, and crossover into heaven, maybe youll find it there.

[Tyrant8RDFL]

Re: L'imporant c'est pas la chute, c'est l'aterrisage!

My apologies for not being clear enough. I'm not asking for signature catching animations, what I'm trying to explain is that right now in Madden 12 basically every receiver can trigger the same catching animations. What makes it different is the success rate of the catch. Which is based on the receiver ratings.

For example, right now in Madden 12, Larry Fitzgerald and Robert Meachen have the same animations for catching the ball. The same one handed catch, the same tip toe sideline animations, the same over the shoulder catch, in conclusion their movement is the same. What makes it different is their rating and physical attributes. Which is unrealistic because Fitzgerald IRL adjusts to the ball and makes circus catches like no other receiver in the game, but in Madden he makes the same catches that everybody else does, except he does it with more frequency.

Imagine if Tim Duncan had access to Lebron James dunking animations, how bad would it look to you?

And just to be clear, Madden is a great game and an amazing one. Sure, If you compare it with Madden 06-10. But if you measure it up against NBA 2k, The Show or Fifa, Madden is way below today's standards. It´s just plain and simple garbage. And what's sad is that, us gamers have lowered our level of expectation with the game, thus making it really difficult for a change to happen.

Madden would be as dead as NBA Live if it wasn't for the exclusive license agreement. And I'm not a ***** by any means, I'm just a football lover that would like to enjoy his video game.

And sorry for my grammar, English is not my native language but I promise next time I will improve.

Got you. Now I see what you're saying about the various catch animations. They should have offered more catch animations to fit those that can make those types of catches.

That sounds very good to me. I really like that.

Now I have not lowered my standards by any means. I feel that term is being thrown around sometimes to either one convince people that is what they are doing so they can now agree with the person making that statement, or use it to justify what they believe.

I just don't feel the same way you do about the catch animations. I never really sat there and focused on that. Now I will admit it would definitely add more to the game, but to me it is not a deal breaker.

I just strongly feel Madden 12 is a enjoyable game. Point blank. Is it at the level of NBA and MLB the show? The answer is simply no, but that to me does not discredit the game for being fun.

The way I see it is that madden has been so bad for so long that many are having a hard time letting go, and seeing madden 12 with a new set of eyes and emotions. Madden 12 has improved a lot over all of the previous installments. The new tackling system alone has done wonders for the game.

I remember being so mad at EA that once I turned Madden on. I was just focusing on what is wrong, and the second I saw something. I was convinced right away this game is garbage, and no need for me to continue.

I think many gamers are still taking that approach.

I wonder if EA pulled a trick where they stated they were not doing a Madden and someone else has taken the rights. Then this exact game comes out but now it has a different company behind it with a new title. If gamers would still feel the same?

The answer honestly is NO

[BlackJackRabbit]

Re: L'imporant c'est pas la chute, c'est l'aterrisage!

If I was jobless, this would not be an effective use of my time. Hell to sit and analyze a game in which you have no control over is an absolute waste of time.

I just don't get these threads anymore.

The internet gives a place for all the complainers to complain.

What does that have to do with what he posted ? How is this a relevant response ?

Your post is no better than some saying "get a life, you need to stop nit-picking."

Basically, you have nothing to refute what the OP said.

[Scruffychicken]

Re: L'imporant c'est pas la chute, c'est l'aterrisage!

If I was jobless, this would not be an effective use of my time. Hell to sit and analyze a game in which you have no control over is an absolute waste of time.

I just don't get these threads anymore.

The internet gives a place for all the complainers to complain.

Why do you care how he spends his time? I thought the OP was just saying what he sees go on in these forums, and for the most part, I agree with him.

[roadman]

Re: L'imporant c'est pas la chute, c'est l'aterrisage!

I also believe you hit this spot on. I also believe I can say this, because i have purchased Madden every year since it first came out. As for those individuals that believe the internet is just a place to air complaints, thats absolutely not true. Forums for the most part are a place to voice your opinion, be it Pro or Con. And I don't see a thing wrong with varied opinions. I mean seriously, how good would this forum ( Madden ) be if all the post were " Madden is great " " Madden is perfect " " Madden has no issues " Pretty f------- boring. If you love this game, thats fine. If you hate this game thats fine. If you think this game is just so so, thats also fine. If you want to go to a place where everything is good and perfect, then wait until you take the dirt nap, and crossover into heaven, maybe youll find it there.

This post is dead on.

It would be pretty boring place if all the threads were all negative too, don't you agree?

I think each of us are responsible for reporting the good, bad and ugly, in the hopes EA sees it. I don't see many developers besides AJ popping around, though.

I also think it's fair to note that this is the first Madden on NG that I'm seeing a consensus that is a good game and could be better. That hasn't been the case with past Maddens in here.