Can't Pass In Madden 12

[sologamer69]

I've always been a little better than mediocre at passing the ball but I've been one of the best rushers.

The problem I'm having is that it's now almost impossible for me to pass the ball while playing on just all-pro on my offline franchise. Madden 12 beefed up coverages to amazing proportions which I'm not mad at but I'm constantly throwing picks with Cam Newton and having to settle for little screens and dump off passes.

I would like to have any tips on how to pass the ball in madden 12. I easily get 200 yards rushing a game with Darren Mcfadden but passing I get around 50-80.

Also people say they are having a bit of a problem with pass rushing. Using the NYJ playbook I get about 3-7 sacks a game. Jason Pierre-Paul is and animal.

[AndrewGW88]

Re: Can't Pass In Madden 12

I've always been a little better than mediocre at passing the ball but I've been one of the best rushers.

The problem I'm having is that it's now almost impossible for me to pass the ball while playing on just all-pro on my offline franchise. Madden 12 beefed up coverages to amazing proportions which I'm not mad at but I'm constantly throwing picks with Cam Newton and having to settle for little screens and dump off

Also people say they are having a bit of a problem with pass rushing. Using the NYJ playbook I get about 3-7 sacks a game. Jason Pierre-Paul is and animal.

I'd say check out playmakers sliders. He really opened up the passing game. It's a little easy for me but it should be perfect for you

[lisinas]

Re: Can't Pass In Madden 12

Will peoper ever learn to use sliders ?
Use someones , create yours , what ever , stop creating same useless thread
all you need to do in this case is lower your run blocking to not get 200 rush yards every game , lower cpu's ints , lower cpu pass defense and see how it goes .

[mjhyankees]

Re: Can't Pass In Madden 12

There are tutorials on youtube on this subject. I find passing relatively easy....even with poor Qb's...I play on all madden....the middle of the field is wide open...you have to learn to scan the field.

[gccosph]

Re: Can't Pass In Madden 12

Sliders? Are you kidding me?

How about reading defenses and Match ups? That's where it's at. You get that down, then you can pass the ball. Good Luck.

[sleepyeagle]

Re: Can't Pass In Madden 12

I have a Panthers franchise going so I feel your pain over Cam Newton. I realized while using Cam, most of the routes I was comfortable with are considered medium routes, which aren't his strength.

So I started aiming short, quick slants obviously being the easiest route to complete. Once I pull in the defense with quick passes and solid runs, I'll take a shot deep. If Any of my receivers manage to get behind the defense, Cam has the arm to deliver the ball.

He gets more accurate in year two, but I still can't sit back and pick apart zone defense with him like I can with other QBs. It's like asking to be picked off.

Also, I don't utilize his mobility too much, but when I do get him moving it helps open up the field a bit for my receivers.

[Dianwei32]

Re: Can't Pass In Madden 12

The problem I'm having is that it's now almost impossible for me to pass the ball while playing on just all-pro on my offline franchise. Madden 12 beefed up coverages to amazing proportions which I'm not mad at but I'm constantly throwing picks with Cam Newton and having to settle for little screens and dump off passes.

There's your problem. I know that Cam tore up opposing defenses the first two weeks, but overall he is still not a great passer. Try adjusting the sliders. Lowering the CPU Pass Defense Reaction Time slider should loosen up coverages a bit. Also try increasing the Human QB Accuracy and WR Catching sliders. WR Catching seems like it shouldn't matter, but I've noticed that WRs get open more and run better routes when the slider is higher.

[TNT713]

Re: Can't Pass In Madden 12

To the folks that suggested sliders for the OP... I have a few questions:

Will sliders make you better at reading a defense? NO.
Will sliders make you better at syncing your drop with your receivers routes? NO
Will sliders help you know where to place passes in relation to the coverage? NO.

Sliders may account for a players lack of skill (or abundance) but should not be confused with developing a skill. Since the OP already indicated that his passing is mediocre, it's obvious that he needs to further develop his skills. Sliders on the other hand merely fit the game to match the skills he's already developed.

So... I'll recommend the same thing to the OP that I always recommend to people who want to improve their passing performances.

1) Leave the sliders alone. While they may help you get 'realistic' results based on your skill level, you are unlikely to improve the issues that are the real reasons you're having difficulty.

2) Go into practice mode without the defense. Master the locations of your receivers so when you play you won't have to look at them and you can concentrate on reading the defense.

3) Master syncing your routes. Every route on Madden has an optimum window of time to throw the ball. Count your QB's steps OUT LOUD. Get the clock in your head. 1,2,3 - BALL OUT. 1,2,3,4,5 - BALL OUT. 1,2,3,4,5,6,7 - BALL OUT. Note which routes break on your 3rd, 5th, and 7th steps...

4) Master placing the ball. First, try to hit your receiver in the chest. You'll notice that you'll need to release the left stick and use only the icon button to deliver a pass to your receiver's chest. Now imagine a defender on one side of the receiver and use the left stick to throw the ball to a spot AWAY from the imagined defender's position. High, Low, left, and right.

5) Master catching the ball. Make it a point to manually make a play on your passes. This skill is essential if you play with inaccurate passers. Not every pass is going to be on target and you may have to step in to make the catch OR swat the bal away from defenders. While this skill may not be needed for every play, develop it now, so it's available when you need it.

6) Now that you've set your clock, syncing your routes, throwing on time, placing the pass, and making the catch it's time for some adversity. Add the defense to your practice and run your favorite pass plays against random defenses. Be sure to focus on putting all your skills together. If your skills are well developed, you'll find that you're not looking at your receivers, your QB, or the rush. You'll be watching what the defense is doing.

Once you've come this far, the next step is learning how to attack various coverages with routes, pass timing, and subtle changes in where/how you release the ball.

After you've become adept at putting the skills together and have the reps under your belt to make it 2nd nature, you'll find that you won't need to back down the sliders...

Later

[LBzrule]

Re: Can't Pass In Madden 12

First, How much do you need to pass?

Second, to add to what TNT has already stated, look at some concepts such as curl flat, Levels, Texas. Work with these and see what they are great against. Curl Flat works against both man and zone in this game.

Look at principles as well. When you have a slot WR, is there a defender over him? If not and you have slant flats as an audible this is your chance to exploit the defense because your WR is not covered.

Too many people cannot pass in Madden because they are trying to run an Air Raid Deep passing system and that can be done but not before getting some basics down first. Lastly, anything that makes you predictable is going to get you beat.

[sin18]

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1) Its sad that immediately ppl start crying "sliders" because someone can't pass... "I can't do something.... so i will make it easier instead of getting better"

2)I am a huuuge panther fan, i only play with the panthers... Cam Newton: 82 overall, 97 throw power, 88 short and deep acc, 78 mid range. And a terrific athleat to get away from pressure. It's very easy to pass with Cam, he is a good QB, both in real life and Madden.

use shotgun alot, use TE and RB check downs a bit, Both Gettis and Smith can go long vs man coverage. I play to Cam's strengths and don't run alot of mid range routes. Digs, drags, slants, flat jets are all good. Mix in alot of Fade, Deep Post, Jet, and afew corner routes and its easy. I'm about 30 - 12 online and can easily pass for 250 yrds and run for another 80 with Cam(75% of games). man to man blitz toss it up to gettis or smitty deep(or olsen if covered by a LB, Olsen 87 speed), Cam has one of the best deep balls, TD. Zones use your TEs and Dig routes by WRs alot. Never be afraid to check down with DWill and Stew. Use Draws and options(philly playbook) to keep the defense from playing too soft, or just ran with cam against 4 man rushes. I love to spread out the defense and go 5 wide with Smitty, Gettis, Olsen, Shockey and Williams. 5 weapons plus Cam. Philly Playbook has some fun variations of wildcat too.

If you can use it right, the Panthers are a NAAAASTY offense, Cam is a monster. Work on your plays, not the sliders.

[silv504]

Re: Can't Pass In Madden 12

main think i noticed in this years Madden, is passing wise you need to get the ball out as soon as your 3 or 5 step drop is done. (some cases the open point in a receiver route is before the WR will even make a break)

after you see the defense pre-snap, have an idea of your top 2 to 3 progressions (depending on how fast you can read the D and check to each receiver)

also, try and see if any blitzers are coming and who will be your quick read if the blitz is coming.

if you play this way to start the game, you will have alot of dink and dunk throws but as the game goes own the defense will open up more for plays down the middle.

IMO the middle of the field is open a fair amount of time and I get my biggest plays from going down the middle over the mlb and between the safeties.

[baller7345]

Re: Can't Pass In Madden 12

This should help.


Beating Zone 101


Cover 2: The main beaters are any of the smash concepts as the deep corner route will be open but also you can throw a lot of the slant curls underneath the zones as well as the short hitch routes from the stick plays. Beating cover 2 deep means taking one of the safeties away from the outside receiver by flooding the middle of the field with routes and can be done out of several plays smash just happens to be the most common one. The plays with the 2 deep corner routes (look like a C) can also be effective if you get good blocking.

Cover 3: Strong Flood is your bread and butter here. This concept is designed to get the deep out open against cover 3 by pulling the flat zone down with a reciever in the flats and having the WR out wide take the deep zone with him on a go route. This leaves the deep out completely open. There are several other plays that use similar route combinations as the strong flood plays and they can be helpful too. As Cover 3 general has less help in the middle of the field Stick can actually get you some decent run after the catches and the slant curls can also do this. Forcing a slant over the middle is easier against cover 3 than against cover 2 but unless your are confident with it I wouldn't bother. Curl Flats is another good cover 3 killer and again this concept is run out of several different formations allowing you to keep the defense on their toes.

Cover 4: Dump it off, dump it off, dump it off. this is where you dink and dunk your way down the field screens are more likely to succeed here as there is no one in the flats. WR screens, HB screens, FB, screens, and TE screens should be able to pick up some decent yardage if you follow the blocking. The short middle is another weak spot as there will be at most 2 hook zones and in some cases 1 hook zone meaning the stick plays, short slant curls and even slants can be used though the slants can be picked if you play someone who is skilled. The main problem with most of this is that normally cover 4 is ran when its 3rd and long so the short routes are less likely to get you a first down but that is where the weaknesses are.

Cover 6: This has half the field split into quarters while the other is just one safety deep. The flats are open against this defense and smash can be successful if you run it to the side that isn't split into quarters. The short underneath routes are going to pick up about what you get on cover 2. Attack the lone safety by forcing him to make a decision and throw to where he isn't.

9 Velcro: Cover four but drops the 2 buzz zones into hook zones and drops 2 pass rushers into the flats (i think one of the CB's goes into the flats but you get the picture). Strong Flood is again your friend as it is essentially a super cover 3 since it gets rid of the buzz zones. Take your time as you only have 2 men rushing you so you will have time to find a target if your first read isn't there. Don't be afraid to take off and scramble as this is perhaps the defense with the most to lose from a scramble.


ALWAYS KNOW WHERE YOUR CHECK DOWNS ARE


Beat man coverage with crosses, drags, and slants. In and out routes can work as well if you have a good route runner. The link in my sig has a link to a video that will add more to this.


Motion can help you differentiate between man and zone but once you get to that point I watch the safeties and outside CB's.

Cover 2: The safeties stay back and the corners press (unless its cover 2 sink which is one of the weird ones that throw off your presnap reads)

Cover 3: One of the safeties drops down into the hookzone and normally the CB's are playing off as they are in deep zones.

Cover 4: Both safeties stay back and both CB's play off.

For man coverages:
2 man under- safeties look like cover 2 but the LB's or other DB's will man up. Motion can be used to make sure but normally a LB will be out of place for it to be a zone.

Cover 1- You normally see one safety in the box (looks like a blitz) as they man up the TE or the RB and the other sits deep (sometimes the cover 1 safety rotates to the middle of the field but this happens with some other plays as well)

Cover 0- You will see no safety help over the top. Best defense to gamble deep on.

[KBscholar]

Re: Can't Pass In Madden 12

I find it funny how people are so quick to diss the sliders. My idea of sliders make the gameplay the most realistic, not the easiest. I want to be challenged by this game, but I want to be challenged FAIRLY. Madden 12 has by far the best gameplay of any Madden to date, but sliders are still needed to prevent the CPU's superman LB's, "eye's in the back of their head" DB's, and ridiculous overpowering DT's.

Now that that is all setup, follow TNT's advise on getting sync'd with the WR's, and what they are doing. Like he said, if you know where your WR's are supposed to be, you can focus on the defense, and place that ball perfectly into correct location.

[TNT713]

Re: Can't Pass In Madden 12

I find it funny how people are so quick to diss the sliders. My idea of sliders make the gameplay the most realistic, not the easiest. I want to be challenged by this game, but I want to be challenged FAIRLY. Madden 12 has by far the best gameplay of any Madden to date, but sliders are still needed to prevent the CPU's superman LB's, "eye's in the back of their head" DB's, and ridiculous overpowering DT's.

I didn't mean to dis sliders... I just wanted to point out that making the CPU worse is not the same as making ourselves better. The OP is obviously in need of additional skills (as are we all) and I do not believe sliders can address his needs.

Of course, I always err on the side of improving skills.

Later

[rightchoice]

Re: Can't Pass In Madden 12

[quote=TNT713;2042923554]To the folks that suggested sliders for the OP... I have a few questions:

Will sliders make you better at reading a defense? NO.
Will sliders make you better at syncing your drop with your receivers routes? NO
Will sliders help you know where to place passes in relation to the coverage? NO.

Sliders may account for a players lack of skill (or abundance) but should not be confused with developing a skill. Since the OP already indicated that his passing is mediocre, it's obvious that he needs to further develop his skills. Sliders on the other hand merely fit the game to match the skills he's already developed.

So... I'll recommend the same thing to the OP that I always recommend to people who want to improve their passing performances.

1) Leave the sliders alone. While they may help you get 'realistic' results based on your skill level, you are unlikely to improve the issues that are the real reasons you're having difficulty.

2) Go into practice mode without the defense. Master the locations of your receivers so when you play you won't have to look at them and you can concentrate on reading the defense.

3) Master syncing your routes. Every route on Madden has an optimum window of time to throw the ball. Count your QB's steps OUT LOUD. Get the clock in your head. 1,2,3 - BALL OUT. 1,2,3,4,5 - BALL OUT. 1,2,3,4,5,6,7 - BALL OUT. Note which routes break on your 3rd, 5th, and 7th steps...

4) Master placing the ball. First, try to hit your receiver in the chest. You'll notice that you'll need to release the left stick and use only the icon button to deliver a pass to your receiver's chest. Now imagine a defender on one side of the receiver and use the left stick to throw the ball to a spot AWAY from the imagined defender's position. High, Low, left, and right.

5) Master catching the ball. Make it a point to manually make a play on your passes. This skill is essential if you play with inaccurate passers. Not every pass is going to be on target and you may have to step in to make the catch OR swat the bal away from defenders. While this skill may not be needed for every play, develop it now, so it's available when you need it.

6) Now that you've set your clock, syncing your routes, throwing on time, placing the pass, and making the catch it's time for some adversity. Add the defense to your practice and run your favorite pass plays against random defenses. Be sure to focus on putting all your skills together. If your skills are well developed, you'll find that you're not looking at your receivers, your QB, or the rush. You'll be watching what the defense is doing.

Once you've come this far, the next step is learning how to attack various coverages with routes, pass timing, and subtle changes in where/how you release the ball.

After you've become adept at putting the skills together and have the reps under your belt to make it 2nd nature, you'll find that you won't need to back down the sliders...

im glad someone said it i just didnt want to type that much sliders are the pointless