Overall to Potential

[Cavicchi]

John Axford is rated A for Overall but has B for Potential in the original roster. Does that mean he is going downhill?

[OSfan093]

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i believe it does. i've seen multiple instances of this on players that are young. Evan Meek is the one that really makes me angry. he was an all star 2 years ago, and he's in his 20s. the games rates him at a B overall with C potential. How is that possible? can SCEA forsee some terrible season in the future for him with their fortune telling abilities. there is no reason to put a guy's potential lower than his overall unless he is older, at least like 33. and injuries are not a reason because you can just drop the durability attribute to represent his injury prone nature.

[seanjeezy]

Re: Overall to Potential

John Axford is rated A for Overall but has B for Potential in the original roster. Does that mean he is going downhill?

I remember in '10 he had F potential, so in franchise he would drop 5 points every year, even though he wasn't even bad in '09, same thing with Jason Vargas - both pitchers had great years in 2010

[HighCmpPct]

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This is why I think we need a dynamic potential rating. It doesn't need to be solely based on performance though or stick skills would result in anyone getting A potential. But this wouldn't only help with younger players it would also help with the decline of older players. I'm not exactly sure what else they could/would use along with numbers to decide but theres only a certain amount of realism you can get when you know what this prospect will become or won't become. You'll never get a Jose Batista with the pot system we have now.

Don't get it twisted though I love this game, its just this would be one upgrade that would really really help put franchise over the top.

[Cavicchi]

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i believe it does. i've seen multiple instances of this on players that are young. Evan Meek is the one that really makes me angry. he was an all star 2 years ago, and he's in his 20s. the games rates him at a B overall with C potential. How is that possible? can SCEA forsee some terrible season in the future for him with their fortune telling abilities. there is no reason to put a guy's potential lower than his overall unless he is older, at least like 33. and injuries are not a reason because you can just drop the durability attribute to represent his injury prone nature.

Axford was great last year and is only 28, so how could he be going downhill, from A overall to B potential?

Manny Ramirez at 42? is A overall and A potential--now that really gets me.

[ptbnl]

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I don't think that's what it means. I think that A potential will mean younger players improve more and faster; B potential a little less when they do and it might take them longer than A; C potential the same.

I think D and F potential are more likely to stay stagnant or show very minimal improvement and it would take longer to show up.

The other side of potential, however, is when a player ages. After they hit 30 or 31 (I forget which) they typically have reached their full potential; in other words, they're not really going to improve much, if at all.

So eventually they'll enter their decline phase (again, around 30-32 years old). What potential does at that point is it determines how much and how fast they decline.

Those F potential guys will just deteriorate into double-A fodder, with the same happening to D and C potential, though to a lesser degree.

A and B potential guys will hold their overalls and skills longer (plus they have hopefully hit pretty high thanks to their progression years) than the worse potential guys.

Ex: Say Buster Posey has an A potential (no idea if he does right now). He will improve his skills until he hits 30 or 31 y/o and then begin his decline phase. His progression should be faster or have a higher ceiling than lower potential guys.

Now, Albert Pujols probably has A potential, too. But he's no longer improving. However, he will maintain his overall rating and skills probably pretty well into his late 30s.

I've based this on a couple seasons of playing franchise, so maybe I'm wrong, but that's how I've seen it work.

[Cavicchi]

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^^^

I believe you've missed the real question here. Axford is an A overall with B potential and my question is what does that mean? He can't be going down because of age, and he had a great season last year. So, why is he A overall with B potential in default roster?

[ManWithBag]

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^^^

I believe you've missed the real question here. Axford is an A overall with B potential and my question is what does that mean? He can't be going down because of age, and he had a great season last year. So, why is he A overall with B potential in default roster?

His potential is a B because he is not going to keep progressing as much or as fast as a player with A potential, but he still hasn't hit his ceiling yet.

[CMoneyGB]

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Axfod will drop ever year actully til he reaches his "max potental", so he drops like 5 points in everything every year til he hits B overall, that how the system works in the game

[Cavicchi]

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I just don't understand that, not progressing...

Papelbon is an A overall with A potential, and older than Axford.

Axford in 3 ML seasons has ERA of 3.52 (7 games) in 2009, 2.48 (50 games) in 2010, 1.95 (74 games) in 2011. Career ERA 2.26

There are lots of players with A overall and A potential who are in their prime, some older, and I just don't get your reasoning. Manny Ramirez is A overall with A potential. I might be wrong about Manny's Overall, but he does have A potential.

[niles08]

So does potential change then? After reading the posts I am confused...if I draft a D potential first baseman can he change to a B potential or even A if he rakes for a couple of years?

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[Knight165]

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So does potential change then? After reading the posts I am confused...if I draft a D potential first baseman can he change to a B potential or even A if he rakes for a couple of years?

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Any player can move TWO letters in either direction in his career.
So yes...a D could become a B...not an A though.
I have only seen a two grade drop once though.
Usually, it's a one grade move.

M.K.
Knight165

[Cavicchi]

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So does potential change then? After reading the posts I am confused...if I draft a D potential first baseman can he change to a B potential or even A if he rakes for a couple of years?

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I was asking why Axford who has an A overall has B potential. I haven't seen any other player like that, A overall with B potential, though I haven't checked the entire roster. What some seem to be saying is Axford will not be an A overall next season since he has B potential. It would appear to me that a player with A overall having B potential means he is going downhill, or not going to a year worthy of an A overall. I haven't started a franchise, so this is all based on the default roster regarding Axford.

Can potential change? Good question, but I don't know.

[Cavicchi]

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Any player can move TWO letters in either direction in his career.
So yes...a D could become a B...not an A though.
I have only seen a two grade drop once though.
Usually, it's a one grade move.

M.K.
Knight165

How about Axford who has an A overall with B potential in the default roster? Is he going downhill, going to be a B overall next season? Not going to have a year worthy of A overall in 2012? I am really confused on this one.

[niles08]

So if u can move 2 letters up...how does this effect progression. Say my D first baseman hits 40 bombs in a season in the minors...will he gain a ton in power progression or will he simply gain a little since he's a D? And does one good season move them up a letter or what exactly?

Thanks for the responses

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