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  • Bobhead
    Pro
    • Mar 2011
    • 4926

    #1

    Zone Hitting Observations & Apple Juice

    So I was looking through Brian's Research Thread, and I realized that a lot of problems I assumed were exclusive to me actually seem to be encountered by many others. It's weird, because it doesn't apply to the CPU, or even to batting when not using Zone.

    For example, I have noticed that it is much harder than it should be to get a ball into an outfield gap. It seems every "superb" and "solid" ball I hit well takes a deep fly ball trajectory instead of a line drive one, resulting in a lot of games where my only hits are shallow line drive singles and home runs.

    There doesn't seem to be enough power or arc on line drives, nor are solidly hit line drives hit often enough. Don't confuse this with me saying there aren't enough solid hits. I hit a lot of scorchers, but they all seem to be deep fly balls and stuff. Actual line drives seem to be a rarity on the human side. You can check your line drive percentages with the analysis screen at the end of games, and my LD% is always lower than it should be, even in games where I have 8, 10, even 12 hits.

    And again, I'm fully aware the CPU offense doesn't share this issue, although I haven't figured out why.

    Last year this would have been an easy fix with sliders, but honestly for some reason this game kind of has me scratching my head with regards to Human-offense sliders. The new ball physics seems to have changed the way some things are affected, and I feel like I'm a long way from really feeling comfortable with knowing what they do.

    I don't know whether the issue is directly in the zone interface, or it relates to the new ball physics, but I've played enough games now to feel comfortable in saying it's a real issue, that only seems to be experienced by Zone Hitting users (and maybe Zone-Analog also...)

    That means if you don't play Zone, don't come in here saying you don't see the issue (unless you do see the issue, then come on in lol...).

    So the point of this thread: to see if anyone else shares my observations, or has their own things they've noticed/have a problem with. Just sit down, drink some apple juice...
  • b2th3m1th
    Banned
    • Jan 2012
    • 485

    #2
    Re: Zone Hitting Observations & Apple Juice

    i was promised apple juice

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    • Pared
      Legen - WAIT FOR IT
      • Feb 2003
      • 39337

      #3
      Re: Zone Hitting Observations & Apple Juice

      Hey, I just bought some apple juice the other day.

      I hit strictly on zone and see gappers all the time. Not sure if you mean the other hitting interfaces but on zone, I'm not really seeing an issue with this. You should lower the difficulty.
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      • jimmyl008
        Rookie
        • May 2007
        • 115

        #4
        Re: Zone Hitting Observations &amp; Apple Juice

        This doesn't taste like apple juice...

        Do you use guess pitch?

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        • Bobhead
          Pro
          • Mar 2011
          • 4926

          #5
          Re: Zone Hitting Observations &amp; Apple Juice

          Originally posted by Pared
          Hey, I just bought some apple juice the other day.

          I hit strictly on zone and see gappers all the time. Not sure if you mean the other hitting interfaces but on zone, I'm not really seeing an issue with this. You should lower the difficulty.
          Are they deep enough that they become doubles or triples? And I'm getting enough hits, I have 9 and 10 hit games with regularity, it's just that too many of my hits are either singles or home runs. I hit gappers very occassionally, but they are nowhere near on par with MLB averages and everything.

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          • Pared
            Legen - WAIT FOR IT
            • Feb 2003
            • 39337

            #6
            Re: Zone Hitting Observations &amp; Apple Juice

            They are doubles in the gap. No way they would become triples - they are stand up doubles. I obviously don't upload them all but here are two from the same game:

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            Just look at the highlight thread - you should see the same type of hits that people have posted throughout.

            If all your hits are singles or HR's, you may want to lessen the pitch speed. Your timing probably isn't as solid as it should be. HR's typically come from perfect placement. They are also more prone to happen to a tired pitcher.
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            • cusefan74
              MVP
              • Jul 2010
              • 2408

              #7
              Re: Zone Hitting Observations &amp; Apple Juice

              Originally posted by Pared
              Hey, I just bought some apple juice the other day.

              I hit strictly on zone and see gappers all the time. Not sure if you mean the other hitting interfaces but on zone, I'm not really seeing an issue with this. You should lower the difficulty.
              Same here, I use zone hitting and have no problem at all.

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              • dr_omels
                Rookie
                • Jun 2009
                • 29

                #8
                Re: Zone Hitting Observations &amp; Apple Juice

                I'm seeing the same thing.

                And it frustrates me to no end.

                I might have to use some zone batting sliders. Or else, I'm taking the disk and EATING it!

                With some tasty Apple juice.

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                • piighead
                  Rookie
                  • Mar 2012
                  • 11

                  #9
                  Re: Zone Hitting Observations &amp; Apple Juice

                  I don't have many games under my belt but so far myy experience support your observation. I am using zone analog hitting

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                  • Sinner618
                    Rookie
                    • Aug 2005
                    • 81

                    #10
                    Re: Zone Hitting Observations &amp; Apple Juice

                    You may be making solid contact on the pitchers highest confidence pitch then.

                    If he throws you his lowest confidence pitch, those can end up gapped or gone. Watch the confidence meters for each individual pitch, as well as his overall confidence and fatigue level.

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                    • Bobhead
                      Pro
                      • Mar 2011
                      • 4926

                      #11
                      Re: Zone Hitting Observations &amp; Apple Juice

                      What are you guys' line drive percentages and line scores? I still feel like there's a problem. Remember, every 4th or 5th hit should be an extra base hit, and approximately 1/5th of all balls you make contact on (excluding foul balls), should be line drives.

                      I still am not seeing line drives the way I should, especially not liners in the gap.

                      To calculate linedrive%, open the Pitch Analysis or Batter Analysis Screen (remember that Pitch Analysis shows the batting stats for the opposite team). Add Fly balls, Ground balls, Line Drives, Choppers, and Pop-ups together. Put that sum as the denominator, under your Line Drives total. You should get a number around .19, or 19%.

                      Alternatively, you can look at how many pitches you swung at, subtract how many you missed, and then again take the line drives total as the numerator and divide.

                      To calculate extra-base hit%, simply add doubles and triples together and divide by total hits. You should get a number around .21.

                      Sorry but I'm just not convinced that I'm imagining things.
                      Last edited by Bobhead; 04-23-2012, 12:50 PM.

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                      • hoosierbengal
                        Rookie
                        • Mar 2004
                        • 439

                        #12
                        Re: Zone Hitting Observations &amp; Apple Juice

                        Zone is the only way I play. I am 34 games into my franchise with the Reds and Votto leads my team in doubles with 12, Bruce has 10 and Heisey,Ludwig both have 8 or 9. I have 2 players with 2 triples. I think I have hit maybe 6 triples as a team. I seem to be getting realistic extra base hits. I did however move the ofers speed down to 2. I am thinking of moving it back up to 3. I play on all star and I have my solid hit slider moved down to 3 but contact at default. I am batting .284. I have the cpu control on 3. This allows me to work counts in my favor more. 2-0, 2-1 counts you will get better pitches to drive to the gaps. The more pitches I take the better I am. Including taking some strikes. This is what seems to work for me.

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                        • cardinalbird5
                          MVP
                          • Jul 2006
                          • 2814

                          #13
                          Re: Zone Hitting Observations &amp; Apple Juice

                          Try putting CPU reaction and CPU fielder run speed down a notch. I don't know your sliders, but on default they are way too high. I know your complaining about line drives, but this may help a bit.

                          Otherwise I don't know. Do you chase pitches with your pci or do you look for a certain zone? Do you use GP?
                          Last edited by cardinalbird5; 04-11-2012, 10:56 PM.
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                          • Bobhead
                            Pro
                            • Mar 2011
                            • 4926

                            #14
                            Re: Zone Hitting Observations &amp; Apple Juice

                            Originally posted by hoosierbengal
                            Zone is the only way I play. I am 34 games into my franchise with the Reds and Votto leads my team in doubles with 12, Bruce has 10 and Heisey,Ludwig both have 8 or 9. I have 2 players with 2 triples. I think I have hit maybe 6 triples as a team. I seem to be getting realistic extra base hits. I did however move the ofers speed down to 2. I am thinking of moving it back up to 3. I play on all star and I have my solid hit slider moved down to 3 but contact at default. I am batting .284. I have the cpu control on 3. This allows me to work counts in my favor more. 2-0, 2-1 counts you will get better pitches to drive to the gaps. The more pitches I take the better I am. Including taking some strikes. This is what seems to work for me.
                            So how many hits, doubles, and extra-base hits do you actually have in total?

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