Just a general football question I have been wondering...Would it be legal in football for the 2nd string qb to be lined up as the HB and do a HB direct snap to that QB and have him pass the ball, instead of snapping it to the real QB. Mods feel free to move this thread if you'd like
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Yes, it's perfectly legal.
It's the same as a double pass from a WR.
As long as you are behind the line of scrimmage it is a legal play.
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Awesome...why do coaches not try this? You could have QB1 HB 1 and QB 2 all lined up beside each other...Looks like it would be crazy to have to defend? No?Comment
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Unless your 2nd string QB is Tim Tebow, Collin Klein from KSU, Robinson from Michigan or RG3, there's no reason to do this. The defense has to be scared of the legs of the 2nd string QB or they'll just play the pass no matter what. Then again, if your 2nd string QB has legs as a weapon, why wouldn't you just throw him out there with 2 RBs and put the #1 QB on the bench for that play?"Baseball is the coolest sport because, at any moment, the catcher can stop the game and go tell the pitcher a secret" - Rob FeeComment
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Sometimes you'll see a halfback direct snap and then the HB runs the ball, but there's really no point in having two QBs in the backfield.Teams: Minnesota Vikings, Cincinnati Reds, Marshall Thundering Herd, Virginia Tech Hokies (2010 alum)Comment
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It has been used before in theory, the prime example is the A-11 offense used by the Piedmont high school highlanders as you can see HERE
In my first year as the OC at a job, we were switching from a Wing T to a spread offense. The problem is our line was terrible and I had three guys who I rotated in at QB, and if they weren't at QB they were at WR or RB.
- One had pinpoint accuracy 15 yards and in
- One could go deep and had good speed
- One was used as our "Wildcat" QB
At the end of the day it's all about creating mismatches and putting your best guys in the position to make plays.
The reason this isn't more popular is because of the timing that it would take. You would need hours of practice to make this a feasible solution as anything but a "gimmick" play, but it has been done before.
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Correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't the A-11 take advantage of some weird highschool fake punt rule that doesn't exist at higher levels?Teams: Minnesota Vikings, Cincinnati Reds, Marshall Thundering Herd, Virginia Tech Hokies (2010 alum)Comment
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To dive into this concept a little further, why doesnt EA implement more trick/gimmick plays in NCAA 13. what if you could only unlock those plays at a certain point in the game to throw the defense off balanced.?it will decrease the cheesing of those plays, so you wouldnt be running the fumblerooski or the LSU fake field goal all the timeComment
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yeah, I thought the A-11 is pretty much dead now. The rule it abused was on field goals and punts there weren't any required numbering system for players jersey numbers on the line, so you didn't have to put 5 linemen. This made just about anybody eligible to catch a pass, and sense there werent restriction on when you could punt/kick, you could run this offense on every play. Talk about a loophole.
Fumblerooski has been banned in college football for about 20 years now. Last time I recall seeing it was about 1992. Will Shields. But I like the idea of having certain trick plays open up as you work a certain part of a game plan...like lots of pitch plays, then a halfback pass is more likely to work. Of course, I'd rather they get playaction passing working before any of this.Comment
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Yeah - as far as I know it's now illegal except those two states.
A little bit about the evolution of that offense:
There was a team that ran an offense that had two people in the backfield lined up on opposite legs of the center. The center would snap it to one or the other and they would run the play. One was the QB, one was the RB, but the RB also threw a little and the QB ran a little. This morphed into the theory of having two QB's in the backfield. It's basically the single wing concept that Urban Meyer's spread run was built off of, but at more of a gimmick level.
The A-11 took that concept even further with all of the shifting and motions to go along with it. They have a "traditional" QB lined up like 7 or 8 yards deep, and will throw laterals and double pass to another player.
I'm sure the NCAA creators cannot implement a lot of gimmick plays because of the timing. These plays take a long time to develop, and in the game thus far that's not something that we have an abundance of (Play Action/Flea Flicker).
I do remember double passes on the PS2 platform but I can't remember which year.Comment
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There was double passes in some playbooks in NCAA 10 as well. Indiana's playbook is the one that comes to mind right now, but I'd imagine that there was one in other books as well.Check out my Houston Astros Dynasties:
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