Comeback routes are money???

[MLMike25]

Seem to be money in this game. Can someone weigh in on this? I'm talking about the deep comeback route where the WR breaks away from the CB to the sideline. If you have time in the pocket and time the throw, it seems to be nearly unstoppable. Last night I abused Joe Haden (who has 97 man coverage) vs my buddy in an online game on all madden with that route. I did this on a Sage Rosenfels to Percy Harvin connection so we're not talking about an unstoppable combo here. I even abused Deion with Percy in practice mode against the Canton greats with this. EA needs to look into this. Meanwhile, anyone know how to stop this? My percentage of success with this route is MUCH higher than it should be.

[Aruthless]

Re: Comeback routes are money???

Use a buzz zone. Its near impossible for any great to stop it in any game in real life. Also a good pass rush can stop it no problem since it take so long to develope

[Patpoose123]

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Its a man beater. Simple as that. If you play man coverage against it, it will burn you 99% of the time.

[mikemck09]

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Online/Offline this route is broken... Revis, Dieon, Haden, no matter who's lined up this route will be wide open 100% of the time... I've had a back up TE run a comeback with a CB lined up on him and the CB although more agile and aware gave a 5 yard cushion allowing the catch with yards afterwards... It needs to be fixed...

[ggsimmonds]

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Online/Offline this route is broken... Revis, Dieon, Haden, no matter who's lined up this route will be wide open 100% of the time... I've had a back up TE run a comeback with a CB lined up on him and the CB although more agile and aware gave a 5 yard cushion allowing the catch with yards afterwards... It needs to be fixed...

It is not broken. In real life the comeback route is a man beater so it should be like that in the game. If you are getting beat by it you need to adjust, and that is what football is about. If you are the one constantly beating man coverage on a CB route its a problem with the AI being unable to adjust -- not the route.

The main things that stops a comeback are a pass rush as it is a play that takes a while to develop (as another poster stated) or a bad throw by a QB as it is a relatively difficult throw to make.

Man coverage is already extremely good on this game (some would even say it is overpowered) there is no need to boost it further.

[Dj_MyTime]

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If you'd like to stay in man incorporate 'press defense' to slow the WR delay the release and disrupt the QB/WR timing, while combined with a good 6 man rush IF you have the personnel.

However if you DO NOT possess corners with that skill set I'd suggest like others that you use 'buzz' (purple zones). Comebacks aren't broken but if you play constant man it's a great way to consistently move the ball, especially with a clean release.

[BleedsBlack&Gold]

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Honestly, I can't agree. I used to think this as well, but with some further testing, I've found that I've been getting picked off a lot when I abuse it. So really, there's some learning involved.

[lordnate]

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You can stop it, but the problem is that you have to game plan for it specifically. Just like you have to game plan for everything specifically. The issue with that, is that your opponent can run 3 or 4 plays that you have to game plan specifically for, and then as long as they know when to throw the ball away or check down, they can't really be stopped.

In online games I've stopped kicking off and just kick onsides because I score on 90% of my drives. My opponent has to do better than that to beat me and if he is, I'm better off taking the gamble on the onside kick. I hate playing that way as its pretty cheesy and unrealistic, but what do you do?

This game needs a serious injection of defense.

[Blue Ninja]

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Specially with a speed guy who is also well skilled like Harvin..if they play man it will be really hard to stop this route..Harvin will sell streak route by acting like he's going straight down the field(will try to get step) just to stop suddenly and come back for the ball when he sees the CB commit to defend against the deep ball..you're going agianst Harvin's caliber player, he's got a step on you, and looks to be going deep..as a defender I'm sure you're going to do all you can to try to catch and boom, he stops. You will not be able to react, stop the momentum and change direction nearly as fast as Harvin..(well if the defender has help over the top then that'd be different story but still it will be extremely hard to stop thid completely.)

[edwardjr2112]

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Yes, it is a man beater. That is why Tampa Bay invented the cover two. Back your corners of the line and the QB will have to throw it between the CB and S and risk the INT

[MaddenDailyFiasco]

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Seem to be money in this game. Can someone weigh in on this? I'm talking about the deep comeback route where the WR breaks away from the CB to the sideline. If you have time in the pocket and time the throw, it seems to be nearly unstoppable. Last night I abused Joe Haden (who has 97 man coverage) vs my buddy in an online game on all madden with that route. I did this on a Sage Rosenfels to Percy Harvin connection so we're not talking about an unstoppable combo here. I even abused Deion with Percy in practice mode against the Canton greats with this. EA needs to look into this. Meanwhile, anyone know how to stop this? My percentage of success with this route is MUCH higher than it should be.

Yeah, like everyone said its a definite man beater in the game and in real life. The one reason why its SUPER effective in this game is because if you play man press coverage, the route is unbumpable, and it gives the receiver proper position 100% of the time. If you want to disrupt the timing of the route a normal cover 2 will bump it.

I suggest playing your corners in yellow hook zones or have a lb come over in a purple buzz zone if youre trying to defend it

[jack612blue]

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It's money if its man to man D

Otherwise you're getting picked off most of the time.

[buckycribbs16]

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Play Cov. 2 man and manually rob it, OR hot route both safeties to buzz zones, or man the WR's who would be running the comeback. I like to bait my opp into thinking the can get away with it the whole game and then swoop in like a hawk for the pick.

[chromethius91]

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Yo stupuds f u press coveragae its alot easierto stop vs backingoff

[PGaither84]

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The corner doesn't know what the route is, and has to protect over the top. The deep comeback looks like a potential fly and when you have the corner running with you, you make a hard cut back wide open. This is also why back shoulder throws on a fly are good.

It also good against the cover 3 deep man because his job is to protect deep. The difference is that some cover 3 plays have a purple "buzz zone" to help protect against it.

As others have said, a good pass rush is the real answer. This is also why Madden is not that good of a game. ESPN 2k5 [2004] had realistic Offensive and defensive line interactions. It's 2012 and madden still doesn't. Madden is still all about win/loss or block/no block animation driven interactions. Hopefully, but not likely, the infinity engine will help EA incorporate true-to-life trench battles.

There is a reason why "Levels" is Peyton Manning's favorite play.



The above play is a real life "money play" that depends on how good your blocking is, how well you read the play, and how accurate your QB is. The deep comeback is great against man, the fly is great against cover two, and the back side levels combo is good against both cover 2 and cover 3 zone.