Why do people hate CCM Progression?

[rjsuperfly66]

I'm currently in love with it.

I created a guy, an undrafted rookie who came in with a 72 overall ... After 5 years of practice he is now a 76 25 year old.

How many undrafted QBs go on to have prominent roles? Have to work your way up the ladder. I actually love it. You improve by 1-1.5 overall points per year due to practices which is legit.

I like the challenge, I hope they don't go make progression stupid so now my guy would be a 72 year 1 and an 85 year 5. If that happened, all undrafted 3rd string QBs could go play anywhere.

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Re: Why do people hate CCM Progression?

Keep in mind that most CCM players, including myself, don't want to waste their time in ****ing practice mode for hours.

I don't play franchise to play the games, allowing myself as a player to dictate the future of my team, and not my management decisions. I play franchise to manage my team and let the system determine the production of my team. Not being able to EVER progress ANY of my backups unless I play over TWENTY instances of practice every single year is absolutely terrible.

In previous Madden games, nearly all undrafted free agents wouldn't have enough potential to have much of a ratings increase. While a lot of the players progressed much more quickly than would be ideal, I'd MUCH more prefer that to having them only progress if I play practice mode, and still progressing very slowly. If a rookie QB comes off of a 30TD, 4000 yard season he should get more than a two or three point bump.

[mavfan21]

Re: Why do people hate CCM Progression?

For many it's too much micro-management and the CPU doesn't seem to progress it's players as well.

[Nunyerbiz]

Re: Why do people hate CCM Progression?

I also like the progression so far... But I do understand if people have problems with the practice requirements. You can always simulate practice, but then you take a XP hit I believe. So far, it's not been a big deal to me... Sort of a nuisance at times... but for the most part I spend about 15 minutes of real time per game week in practice mode. Doesn't bother me too much... and it gives me a chance to work my way through every play in the playbook... which I never bother doing in the games.

[Dwaresacksqb]

Re: Why do people hate CCM Progression?

I'm enjoying The new xp system a lot. Its very realistic and practice mode doesn't take long at all to complete every week.

[cuttingteeth]

Re: Why do people hate CCM Progression?

The simple answer is that it is so time consuming. This is why way back in June I was saying that not having editing in seems like their purposely chosen way to make you have no choice but to use XP...otherwise, there would certainly be threads/posts about turning it off because full editing would simply bypass it and make it pointless.

Back on point, yes, many of us would rather just edit the ratings as we see fit and then just play the freaking games. Editing rosters gets a little time consuming, too, but it's a whole lot faster than this XP system - editing is the immediate/right now fix to ratings woes - XP is the RPG/mini game/I hope you have no real life outside of your day job kind of leveling up that takes seemingly forever.

I just hope EA Tiburon understands that giving back at least the option to edit and/or use XP or just turn it off goes beyond just being a convenience to Sim or casual players. I seriously see it as offering replay value in what every business should already know is a world full of consumers with short attention spans. You have to keep consumers invested in your product, and though, yes, mini games help that...quick fixes via full customization offer that at a faster rate. Faster = better, and in the technological world, that should be beyond understood.

[Dwaresacksqb]

Re: Why do people hate CCM Progression?

The simple answer is that it is so time consuming. This is why way back in June I was saying that not having editing in seems like their purposely chosen way to make you have no choice but to use XP...otherwise, there would certainly be threads/posts about turning it off because full editing would simply bypass it and make it pointless.

Back on point, yes, many of us would rather just edit the ratings as we see fit and then just play the freaking games. Editing rosters gets a little time consuming, too, but it's a whole lot faster than this XP system - editing is the immediate/right now fix to ratings woes - XP is the RPG/mini game/I hope you have no real life outside of your day job kind of leveling up that takes seemingly forever.

I just hope EA Tiburon understands that giving back at least the option to edit and/or use XP or just turn it off goes beyond just being a convenience to Sim or casual players. I seriously see it as offering replay value in what every business should already know is a world full of consumers with short attention spans. You have to keep consumers invested in your product, and though, yes, mini games help that...quick fixes via full customization offer that at a faster rate. Faster = better, and in the technological world, that should be beyond understood.

The xp system does not take as long as your making it seem. I have a full time job and what not but don't choose to take the game as serious as some people on here. Just sim the practice mode and xp distribution if you want. What then? The players aren't high enough for you? Well doesn't the game play better against the computer with lower overall players anyway if that's true.... No other game let's you edit everybody in the league like this. The people who take the game way to seriously have just gotten so spoiled over the years. And now EA can't seem to do anything right in their eyes. The XP system is a huge upgrade to what we had in the previous editions. It's not really close. And the way they allow you to distribute points across your team gives you a lot of custimization.

[NDAlum]

Re: Why do people hate CCM Progression?

Easy solution:

Have a "simulate practice" feature that works and gives you partial XP. Let's say they give you 60% of the possible XP if you sim.

Everybody is happy

[cuttingteeth]

Re: Why do people hate CCM Progression?

The xp system does not take as long as your making it seem. I have a full time job and what not but don't choose to take the game as serious as some people on here. Just sim the practice mode and xp distribution if you want. What then? The players aren't high enough for you? Well doesn't the game play better against the computer with lower overall players anyway if that's true.... No other game let's you edit everybody in the league like this. The people who take the game way to seriously have just gotten so spoiled over the years. And now EA can't seem to do anything right in their eyes. The XP system is a huge upgrade to what we had in the previous editions. It's not really close. And the way they allow you to distribute points across your team gives you a lot of custimization.

You fail in contradictions, nor do you excite me about XP. It's not faster than editing, nor can we quickly DL anyone else's XP'ed roster files to save us time, either. Also, we have obviously had editing in several games before or else there is no chance at being spoiled previously. Furthermore, it has not been "years" in-season per Madden, rather it was just last year that allowed that. Just last year...a huge selling point, I might add...and already taken back away.

[Dwaresacksqb]

Re: Why do people hate CCM Progression?

Now we have weekly and career goals we could strive to achieve to earn even more xp and feel that much more accomplished. Making the pro bowl gives you more points to spend, MVP gives you a huge amount as a reward. You want to strip down a system that has worked in SO many games for years just so you could edit the players yourself as you see fit? Sounds boring to me.

Put it this way. If NBA 2K13, did what your saying, tore down their xp system to give players fixed potential ratings, automatic progression and ability to just edit any player you what. They would have thousands of angry fans. EA is finally catching up to the rest of the sporting world and you want them to go in reverse and be uncreative and un-innovative, just so you could edit players yourself? No just no

[cuttingteeth]

Re: Why do people hate CCM Progression?

You're assuming things, first of all. If you actually read what I wrote, you'd see where I said to give us the option to edit and/or use XP or turn it off would be beyond convenience....basically, it'd be preferable to have the option of both at once or just one or the other or neither. Options to choose from are any game's saving grace. That's what I'm alluding to.

[mojo6911]

Re: Why do people hate CCM Progression?

They should have random multipliers for players so they can progress really fast. So for example, your diamond in the rough 7th round WR (Colston) progresses really fast in his rookie training camp and goes on to be a starter in the NFL.

[Dwaresacksqb]

Re: Why do people hate CCM Progression?

You're assuming things, first of all. If you actually read what I wrote, you'd see where I said to give us the option to edit and/or use XP or turn it off would be beyond convenience....basically, it'd be preferable to have the option of both at once or just one or the other or neither. Options to choose from are any game's saving grace. That's what I'm alluding to.

You just can't do that in games. You give the player to much control and they bore themselves to death lol it's true. That's why games make you actually earn things and not just let you get the best sword in the game at level 1. Not let you choose what loot you find on a monster you slay. Not let you tune your car without winning enough races to build your earning and unlock upgrades. I can go on and on. But the point is, What you want just doesn't work in the gaming world. To much control is a BAD thing. Seriously just think about that ok. And I do respect your opinion mine is just different, I actually like you as a poster on the site.

[cuttingteeth]

Re: Why do people hate CCM Progression?

You just can't do that in games. You give the player to much control and they bore themselves to death lol it's true. That's why games make you actually earn things and not just let you get the best sword in the game at level 1. Not let you choose what loot you find on a monster you slay. Not let you tune your car without winning enough races to build your earning and unlock upgrades. I can go on and on. But the point is, What you want just doesn't work in the gaming world. To much control is a BAD thing. Seriously just think about that ok. And I do respect your opinion mine is just different, I actually like you as a poster on the site.

Yeah, no anger here, either...I'm totally cool with you, but you are confusing me, now. I don't think it makes the game any slower or more boring with editing as opposed to XP progression. Editing is the quick fix, I have to believe. It bypasses Donny Moore's opinions and/or whatever site he gets ratings from, it bypasses practice, it bypasses mini games I don't want to "have to" play to reach ratings levels and it's just more convenient for someone who seriously doesn't jive with longer time needed to enjoy the game.

I'll do a test when I have more time...perhaps on Sunday...I'll time how long it takes me to edit my starters in Madden 12, and then I'll time how long it takes me to get the same ratings to the same guys in Madden 13. I'm pretty sure it's going to be a difference of several hours, if not days, though. I'll give it to you that it's a level of immersion, but I just don't like not having the option to not have to deal with it at all.

[Dwaresacksqb]

Re: Why do people hate CCM Progression?

Yeah, no anger here, either...I'm totally cool with you, but you are confusing me, now. I don't think it makes the game any slower or more boring with editing as opposed to XP progression. Editing is the quick fix, I have to believe. It bypasses Donny Moore's opinions and/or whatever site he gets ratings from, it bypasses practice, it bypasses mini games I don't want to "have to" play to reach ratings levels and it's just more convenient for someone who seriously doesn't jive with longer time needed to enjoy the game.

I'll do a test when I have more time...perhaps on Sunday...I'll time how long it takes me to edit my starters in Madden 12, and then I'll time how long it takes me to get the same ratings to the same guys in Madden 13. I'm pretty sure it's going to be a difference of several hours, if not days, though. I'll give it to you that it's a level of immersion, but I just don't like not having the option to not have to deal with it at all.

Ok, one thing though. There is a trick(or not really a trick at all) to saving yourself a lot of time with the xp system..... Just wait til the end of the season to distribute the points you earned to players, eh eh. Problem solved.