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  • urjaywall
    Rookie
    • Dec 2008
    • 51

    #1

    Defensive Issues that need to be Patched

    Overall, I think this game is a big improvement from last year. It just feels more alive than last year's, which felt a little robotic. The new dribbling controls were very awkward but I finally got used to them and that too is an improvement (except for the lack of differentiation in styles between players).

    Anyway, my biggest complaint with the game is that defense is incredibly frustrating. I have two specific complaints that seem like they could easily be fixed in the future by 2K (and I'm sure these have been mentioned in other threads, but I couldn't find any specifically).

    1. Fast break defense is incredibly annoying. If you take a shot and miss and the CPU runs out for a fast break, it takes your team about 3 seconds to turn around and reach full speed while the CPU is almost at the other end for a dunk. Also, most of your teamates jog back on defense rather than run back. Unless the "hustle" stat is actually literal this year, this seems like a glitch because of how unbalanced it is. Maybe it is a coaching issue, like everyone is crashing the boards, but I don't touch those settings with any team. I've also seen my teamates turn to run back, then turn back around, then turn around again. Just the whole transition to defense is incredibly sluggish (but once you are running full speed its not a big deal, just that transition is what kills you).

    2. Interior shot blocking is impossible. Its annoying because I watch the CPU do it just fine, with some incredible blocks. But every single time I jump for a block, either my player just does a "half jump" or flails in the air because of "contact" of some sort. Also, if you try to block a dunk or layup, even if your timing is perfect, your hand just goes through the ball anyway (I've watched several replays to see how close I got, and literally my hand went through the ball). Last years game was too easy to block dunks from behind, but this years is the opposite. I thought last years game had blocking lay-ups perfect. This year's game does a great job with jumpshot blocking for spot up shooters, but anything off the move or anything in the paint, your player will just flail around.


    Anyway, those were my only two complaints on the core game as a whole (other than the Timberwolves home court still glitched if you zoom the camera in- where the crowd blocks the screen, and the inability to remove signature skills).


    If anyone knows how to fix these issues (either with difficulty, or settings), I'd love to know, but other than that I'm just bringing these issues up hoping the next patch will fix them.
  • michael785
    Rookie
    • Sep 2012
    • 72

    #2
    Re: Defensive Issues that need to be Patched

    2k12 blocking was HORRIBLE thats what killed the game for m i love the blocking this year its great. as for ur hand going through the ball its a video game, if u want real physics go play madden. also up ur blocking slider thats what it is there for.

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    • Sasquash
      Rookie
      • Dec 2010
      • 236

      #3
      Re: Defensive Issues that need to be Patched

      The defense is just horrible this year sure there are ways to counter it but 2k needs to get the defense correct players can't even contest because of how slow the players are on defense
      T.R.U. 2 MY REALIGION

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      • urjaywall
        Rookie
        • Dec 2008
        • 51

        #4
        Re: Defensive Issues that need to be Patched

        Originally posted by urjaywall
        Overall, I think this game is a big improvement from last year. It just feels more alive than last year's, which felt a little robotic. The new dribbling controls were very awkward but I finally got used to them and that too is an improvement (except for the lack of differentiation in styles between players).

        Anyway, my biggest complaint with the game is that defense is incredibly frustrating. I have two specific complaints that seem like they could easily be fixed in the future by 2K (and I'm sure these have been mentioned in other threads, but I couldn't find any specifically).

        1. Fast break defense is incredibly annoying. If you take a shot and miss and the CPU runs out for a fast break, it takes your team about 3 seconds to turn around and reach full speed while the CPU is almost at the other end for a dunk. Also, most of your teamates jog back on defense rather than run back. Unless the "hustle" stat is actually literal this year, this seems like a glitch because of how unbalanced it is. Maybe it is a coaching issue, like everyone is crashing the boards, but I don't touch those settings with any team. I've also seen my teamates turn to run back, then turn back around, then turn around again. Just the whole transition to defense is incredibly sluggish (but once you are running full speed its not a big deal, just that transition is what kills you).

        2. Interior shot blocking is impossible. Its annoying because I watch the CPU do it just fine, with some incredible blocks. But every single time I jump for a block, either my player just does a "half jump" or flails in the air because of "contact" of some sort. Also, if you try to block a dunk or layup, even if your timing is perfect, your hand just goes through the ball anyway (I've watched several replays to see how close I got, and literally my hand went through the ball). Last years game was too easy to block dunks from behind, but this years is the opposite. I thought last years game had blocking lay-ups perfect. This year's game does a great job with jumpshot blocking for spot up shooters, but anything off the move or anything in the paint, your player will just flail around.


        Anyway, those were my only two complaints on the core game as a whole (other than the Timberwolves home court still glitched if you zoom the camera in- where the crowd blocks the screen, and the inability to remove signature skills).


        If anyone knows how to fix these issues (either with difficulty, or settings), I'd love to know, but other than that I'm just bringing these issues up hoping the next patch will fix them.

        I think a big factor might be the difficulty. I played my first game on Pro with the default sliders and I completely blew out the team I was playing, so I switched it to All Star and have been toying with all the sliders. However, I just switched it back to Pro but on simulation (like someone in another thread suggested) and it seems to be an improvement. I haven't noticed the fast break issue and I have actually gotten some blocks that normally I would not have gotten. So maybe that is the way to go.

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        • magic247
          Rookie
          • Jun 2009
          • 160

          #5
          Re: Defensive Issues that need to be Patched

          Hopefully they'll patch this issue up. I need my basketball fix!

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          • Rimfro
            Rookie
            • Aug 2008
            • 48

            #6
            Re: Defensive Issues that need to be Patched

            The defense is just terrible. The computer has no problems making contested shot, after contested shot. The real kicker, though, is that when you decide to play a little tighter due to them making everything in your eye, and you finally think you got a block, whistle, it's a foul.

            So let's review: You get a hand in a shooter's face, he makes it. You go after the block, it's a foul. If, by the grace of God they do miss a shot without a whistle, they get the offensive rebound because your big men just keep bouncing the ball around, then they end up with an easy dunk or layup. Rarely do they not score a quick two immediately after the board; while your big men huddle around the rebounder, just watching him score.

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            • Stalkerxx
              Banned
              • Oct 2012
              • 209

              #7
              Re: Defensive Issues that need to be Patched

              ederewrwrwrew

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              • eko718
                MVP
                • Sep 2005
                • 2257

                #8
                Re: Defensive Issues that need to be Patched

                Originally posted by urjaywall
                Overall, I think this game is a big improvement from last year. It just feels more alive than last year's, which felt a little robotic. The new dribbling controls were very awkward but I finally got used to them and that too is an improvement (except for the lack of differentiation in styles between players).

                Anyway, my biggest complaint with the game is that defense is incredibly frustrating. I have two specific complaints that seem like they could easily be fixed in the future by 2K (and I'm sure these have been mentioned in other threads, but I couldn't find any specifically).

                1. Fast break defense is incredibly annoying. If you take a shot and miss and the CPU runs out for a fast break, it takes your team about 3 seconds to turn around and reach full speed while the CPU is almost at the other end for a dunk. Also, most of your teamates jog back on defense rather than run back. Unless the "hustle" stat is actually literal this year, this seems like a glitch because of how unbalanced it is. Maybe it is a coaching issue, like everyone is crashing the boards, but I don't touch those settings with any team. I've also seen my teamates turn to run back, then turn back around, then turn around again. Just the whole transition to defense is incredibly sluggish (but once you are running full speed its not a big deal, just that transition is what kills you).

                2. Interior shot blocking is impossible. Its annoying because I watch the CPU do it just fine, with some incredible blocks. But every single time I jump for a block, either my player just does a "half jump" or flails in the air because of "contact" of some sort. Also, if you try to block a dunk or layup, even if your timing is perfect, your hand just goes through the ball anyway (I've watched several replays to see how close I got, and literally my hand went through the ball). Last years game was too easy to block dunks from behind, but this years is the opposite. I thought last years game had blocking lay-ups perfect. This year's game does a great job with jumpshot blocking for spot up shooters, but anything off the move or anything in the paint, your player will just flail around.
                This has happened to me several times as well on (Superstar/Sim).

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                • The 24th Letter
                  ERA
                  • Oct 2007
                  • 39373

                  #9
                  I feel you bro...I have no answers for fast break defense.

                  Under the rim though, try defending with the right stick...it'll usually trigger an animation. I mentioned this in the tip thread, but if you have a player coming full speed, your better off using LT to create contact rather than going for the block...if you are going to go for the block, make sure you jump earlier than later...

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                  • NINJAK2
                    *S *dd*ct
                    • Jan 2003
                    • 6185

                    #10
                    Re: Defensive Issues that need to be Patched

                    Thus far the only thing I would like tweaked on defense is the addition of more forced dribble pick ups when offense players try to bully into the paint but get stopped repeatedly. Right now guys can go into defenders and get derailed but still maintain their dribble which can lead to huge paint totals(Mostly head to head complaint). Make players pick up dribble when they just try to bully in with no plan or respect of defender presence.
                    EA and 2k have the unfortunate task of trying to balance on a tightrope of fun and sim while trying not to fall 10,000 feet to their death. Instead of a safety net waiting down below there will just be angry customers quick to move out of the way and talk of their failure.

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                    • UnbelievablyRAW
                      MVP
                      • Sep 2011
                      • 1245

                      #11
                      Re: Defensive Issues that need to be Patched

                      I stopped playing MyPLayer after one game (want them to patch the playvision glitch first) but from my brief game vs the CPU on HOF sim, the only problem I had was a slight delay when you want to move when on intense d, and universally (meaning vs an user or CPU) whenever a [layer would initiate a crossover move he would be immune to collision for that brief second so fast players with good ballhandling can make you shift to one side, seemingly collide with you and then switch direction

                      For example, you're defending Wade, he does a left to right crossover move with you stading on his right. In that situation he is supposed to bump into you and either pick up his dribble, lose the ball or retreat backwards. With the slight delay however, a good player would simply move the dribble stick in the left direction and go as if he never collided with you.

                      Far to many open layups come from that tactic, and more people online are going back to playing offball defence

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                      • eF 5ive
                        MVP
                        • May 2011
                        • 2068

                        #12
                        Re: Defensive Issues that need to be Patched

                        You guys should post vids of your problems. I have no problem with interpreting when to block and when to use intense d - hands in face.

                        I also think with OS that complaints (whether legit or just rants) are contagious and can shift the game in the right or wrong direction.

                        I also think that with any game that has sliders (sports) its easier to play on a lower level and handicap yourself to get a more authentic game experience. The higher levels arent going to give you that "sim" experience but more of a challenge for what other gamers like. It is what it is though. Hope you get your problem fixed.
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                        • Eddie1967
                          Against The Crowd!
                          • Aug 2005
                          • 2406

                          #13
                          Re: Defensive Issues that need to be Patched

                          Hmmm, I have absolutely no problem blocking shots and I admit that I mainly play with the Nets so that is my sample size. The thing that I don't like about these threads whether it's regarding the fast break or defensive play is how many teams did you use to come up with the conclusion that it doesn't work? Are you saying that every team should be able to block, rebound and get back on fast breaks the exact same way? I just think the OP's need to use a variety of teams before saying that something is an issue.
                          Originally posted by jim416
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                          • Manbearpig
                            Rookie
                            • Jun 2009
                            • 403

                            #14
                            Re: Defensive Issues that need to be Patched

                            The biggest problem is that off ball defensive rotations and especially help defensive rotations by big men especially to defend in and around the paint are horrible and arguably broken, along with the fast break defense causing defensive players to not pick up their men quickly enough IMO

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                            • The 24th Letter
                              ERA
                              • Oct 2007
                              • 39373

                              #15
                              Yeah, some of this stuff im reading simply takes practice....Some things jump out of course, but I hate the idea of screaming for patches before practice..
                              Last edited by The 24th Letter; 10-06-2012, 12:15 PM.

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