Why draft players with low physical rating at all?

[Cnada]

Hey guys

Putting it out there for CCM

Why draft players with low physical ratings when its impossible to XP upgrade them (or rather near impossible for nitpickers) when intangible skills are so much easier to upgrade ??

Do you guys find drafting guys with High intangibles and low physical to be worth while, because just looking at the XP system it seems to be a major drawback for those guys to become better players?

Thoughts?

[Pandetta]

Re: Why draft players with low physical rating at all?

If you think about it, the real draft works in a very similar way. Players with outstanding physical attributes get every opportunity and are frequently over-drafted regardless of their ability to actually play.

[maltliquor84]

Re: Why draft players with low physical rating at all?

The longer I've played this game the more I agree. You can't teach a player how to be 6'4 260 and run a 4.45, but you can teach him how to beat the left tackle off the edge or drop into coverage.

I tend to take the Al Davis approach now: speed. I've been looking for prototypical players now with high physical ratings.

Bruce Irvin is a prime example. Skill-wise he is average and less than average at best, but his athleticism in unmatched. A few seasons with him and he is easily the best pure pass rusher in Madden. Hands down.

[Cnada]

Re: Why draft players with low physical rating at all?

I get a players size is fixed and his 40yd dash. we know Al davis loved his speed guys but I dont believe that guys cant increase strenght or game speed as easily as they can improve in catching or run block.
You want to make strenght and speed harder to buy ,thats alright but 50k when others are 5k is a bit ridiculous. I dont think a persons physical skills are that cemented in life.

[josefrees]

Re: Why draft players with low physical rating at all?

I've been on the athlete boat since franchises were in madden. Realistically, no progress system allows no cheap athletic progression system. In a few maddens a guy might gain 1 SPD in a whole career and maybe 3 or 4 STR. in m13 tho STR for LBs is relatively cheap for a little bit.

I like the less athletic more skilled for backups or have a really good team that can't wait to develop a player. While they're a little slow and weak they can at least not be a liability.

[KBLover]

Re: Why draft players with low physical rating at all?

You want to make strenght and speed harder to buy ,thats alright but 50k when others are 5k is a bit ridiculous. I dont think a persons physical skills are that cemented in life.

Such attributes are difficult to improve, though. There are ways to increase them but there is a reason why teams do try to draft the physical type you want up front in real life. A lot of the physical work a player does is, imo, trying to maintain more than improve aside from areas like conditioning and injury prevention.

Could a guy like Ladarius Webb become as strong as a guy like Ray Lewis? Could Santonio Holmes become as strong as Megatron? Maybe, but it would take a long time, and probably wouldn't be worth it in the end.

The point total might be too big - no idea on that and no idea how fast you get XP per game/practice, etc, but it should be quite difficult and require dedication - and present a serious decision as to whether or not it's worth undertaking.

[maltliquor84]

Re: Why draft players with low physical rating at all?

I get a players size is fixed and his 40yd dash. we know Al davis loved his speed guys but I dont believe that guys cant increase strenght or game speed as easily as they can improve in catching or run block.
You want to make strenght and speed harder to buy ,thats alright but 50k when others are 5k is a bit ridiculous. I dont think a persons physical skills are that cemented in life.

How often do players get faster in the NFL? It's possible and it's possible in the this game, bit it's going to take hard work and in Madden, consider those hefty points the hard work.

As for strength, it's not nearly as expensive unless it's at the upper echelon. I took Bruce Irvin from 78 STR to 86 STR which is reasonable considering IRL he isn't ever going to be a 90-99 STR kind of guy.

As for some things being cheap you should look at it like this; how hard would it be IRL to improve your 40-yd time at the NFL from a 4.6 to a 4.5? Incredibly difficult, but things like route running, release off the line, catching ability and the like are things almost every player will improve upon by simply practicing and playing on Sunday. It's more realistic to see a guy go from running an ok route to a crisp route than it would be to see a guy at the NFL level improve his speed enough to take .10 off his 40-time.

[BTownSlinger]

Re: Why draft players with low physical rating at all?

Can someone explain to me the physical rating? I have an idea but feel I'm missing it's purpose.

[roll2tide]

Re: Why draft players with low physical rating at all?

Can someone explain to me the physical rating? I have an idea but feel I'm missing it's purpose.

I read early on that it was kind of like a scale for his physical attributes vs the "ideal" physical attributes for that position. ie, a 5'11" 196lb WR should have a much lower PHY rating than a 6'4" 212lb WR.

Personally, this would make little sense to me. When I think about players that I would just consider "beastly" in real life and then I think about what players are probably top 5 all time leaders at their positions.....these lists often don't match up very well.

In real life-give me the guy with brains, heart, and toughness.

In Madden-give me the guy who's dumb as a sack of rocks but can bench press a house and runs a 2.6 40.

......fade to cartoon thought cloud above my head to an EA boardroom...."I wonder why we can't seem to simulate realism in the NFL....could it be a fundamental flaw in our vision of the game of football?" Then, in unison..."Naaaaaahhhh....(group chuckle)".

[Dawg1919]

Re: Why draft players with low physical rating at all?

I have actually regressed from the athlete theory. I have started looking at taking players who fit my scheme, which is big and strong for most cases and I no longer go after speed. Think Pittsburgh Steeler D and San Francisco O. A Then my second most deciding factor is Awareness.

"But I can improve my guys awareness, so easily" as most of you would say.

Yes, you can, but when I draft these high awareness guys, I find them to have a higher chance of being quick or superstar development trait. Also, I find High Awareness guys making a ton more plays, compared to the Vernon Gholston's of the world.

In my CC my buddies have the same thinking most of you do. While their trying to improve their players "awareness". I'm one ahead and improving my players skills. I find the key to being a good coach is putting your players in position to make the play. Not relying on their speed to get them over to the area they should be to make the play.

And as a former athlete, and now coach, I can no longer stand stupidity. So that has a lot to do with my selection of "smart" players.

[Altimate]

Re: Why draft players with low physical rating at all?

I agree that a A or B awareness usually translates to Quick or Superstar development. Now that I'm actually playing all of my games I think I'm going to scout and draft differently. I'm just going to look for the biggest, strongest, faster player at each position and try and make something of them.

[Cnada]

Re: Why draft players with low physical rating at all?

Its an interesting theory but need more proof before I change my mind on it.

Increasing awareness is really really cheap but improving a skill is exponentially hard.

I want to believe so who knows, might ask Josh about this

[General Butt Naked]

Re: Why draft players with low physical rating at all?

I read early on that it was kind of like a scale for his physical attributes vs the "ideal" physical attributes for that position. ie, a 5'11" 196lb WR should have a much lower PHY rating than a 6'4" 212lb WR.

Personally, this would make little sense to me. When I think about players that I would just consider "beastly" in real life and then I think about what players are probably top 5 all time leaders at their positions.....these lists often don't match up very well.

In real life-give me the guy with brains, heart, and toughness.

In Madden-give me the guy who's dumb as a sack of rocks but can bench press a house and runs a 2.6 40.

......fade to cartoon thought cloud above my head to an EA boardroom...."I wonder why we can't seem to simulate realism in the NFL....could it be a fundamental flaw in our vision of the game of football?" Then, in unison..."Naaaaaahhhh....(group chuckle)".

ur confusing size with physical ratings. what ur describing is the size rating. the physical rating is kinda like an average of all of the players physical attributes. Basically its how athletic the player is. They should probably call it that to make it easier.

[General Butt Naked]

Re: Why draft players with low physical rating at all?

am I the only guy who evaluates based on production. not the college guys but the guys who are already in the NFL. I look at their stats to determine whether or not I want the player. So, do u guys find that players with high intangibles ratings produce more or do the raw athletes produce more? IF the intangible guys produce more than there is a place for these guys over the raw athletes.

[Cnada]

Re: Why draft players with low physical rating at all?

am I the only guy who evaluates based on production. not the college guys but the guys who are already in the NFL. I look at their stats to determine whether or not I want the player. So, do u guys find that players with high intangibles ratings produce more or do the raw athletes produce more? IF the intangible guys produce more than there is a place for these guys over the raw athletes.

Agreed, If they produce more