Browns Head Coaching Change & Schemes

[mydownfall1185]

I've been waiting to start a new Browns CCM until their coaching situation had been finalized. I intend on retiring Shurmur after the first season and creating Rob Chudzinski. But now that they've hired their new coach and coordinators, I find myself with some questions.

I've read that Norv Turner is going to be in charge of the offensive playcalling. When I pick my new playbook, should I roll with the Chargers or the Panthers playbook.

I've also been reading that new DC Ray Horton says they're run a 3-4 next year, but Chudzinski seems to think they'll run some sort of hybrid. I'm pretty sure the Cardinals defensive playbook is strictly 3-4. Do I go with the Cardinals playbook or choose one of the Hybrid Defenses. And if so, which one should I choose?

[preaceps]

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They will probably run a hybrid next year simply due to the fact that it is almost impossible to take a 4-3 defense and change a few personnel and become a 3-4. There will probably be 1-2 years where they run a hybrid that is primarily a 3-4 set.

[vicaddict]

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I don't see them running a 3-4 no matter what they say. Rubin & Taylor are the only tackles that would fit a 3-4 defense and I'm not yet convinced that one of them could really play a 3-4 DE. They would have to move Sheard back to OLB, what about Rucker? Who would play next to Jackson at ILB? I just don't see it. They do have the OLB's with Gocong and Fujita (if he resigns) but all the others are hardly 3-4 material.

The defense is about the only thing that actually doesn't require rebuilding, just more depth.

[mydownfall1185]

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Thanks for the input, but you really didn't answer my question. I was looking for some help trying to figure out what playbooks I should use for season 2 of my Browns CCM and to figure out which schemes I should go with.

Panthers or Chargers playbook for offense?
Cardinals or Hybrid Defense playbook for defense?

[johonmirae]

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The defense is about the only thing that actually doesn't require rebuilding

[azdawgpound]

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i would go with the charger's playbook because the coach said he wanted a vertical passing offense and norv being the OC now makes sense. and far as defense i heard they wanna be a hybrid but also heard they may stay a 4-3 horton hasent made his mind up yet and being that their defense is mainly built for 3-4. is there a hybrid defense in madden??? or would that be the muilti defense playbook? i have mine set up as chargers offense, cards defense.

[Underdawg]

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I am sooooo happy you started this topic. Huge browns fan here, and I am on like my 5th iteration of the com you are attempting.

Offense: vertical offense play book : San Diego
Norv Turner is our DC, so this is logical. Additionally this PB makes your offense better from day one. It takes advantage of having 2 big wr Gordon and little, and gets tremendous value out of Ben Watson since it calls for a vertical threat tight end. Plenty of power run plays for TR in here will set you up for easy downfield completions with BW. Carolina's O play book, while a logical fit with the chud theme doesn't make quite as efficient use of our talent. Ben Watson will literally set the world on fire, but there are also multiple te sets catch the D off guard with Ben Watson. Adding a superstar TE in the draft to form a 1-2 combo with Watson is incredible.

Check the San Diego page in the madden connected careers manual to get a general idea of what the scheme demands by position and use it as a template. One thing I strongly encourage is finding a guard with decent speed and accell to play LG. Your power runs to the right (I formation) will be deadly with an adequate puller at LG and a decent FB.

Next post will explain the D

[Underdawg]

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WOW, my huge post on D didn't submit, and I lost like 4 neat paragraphs...

I will try again.

[Cre8]

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Chargers playbook will be best suited for our offense as has been stated. Primarily because the Browns have a QB more like Rivers than Newton (which should keep you from taking the Panthers Offensive Playbook).

You should take a look at the Hybrid Defense or the 4-3 Attacking defense as Horton has made numerous references to putting pressure on the opposing QB.

I wouldn't be surprised to see the Browns start looking for a more balanced QB with running ability in the next couple of drafts. You might want to consider the prospects of potential future decisions like that as you start your CCM.

[Underdawg]

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Ray Horton has been very outspoken, almost contradictory of Chud, recently. Quotes include how we will run a pure 3-4 attacking defense identical to Pittsburg's. He said we would be mirror teams. Horton learned from Lebeau, so maybe it will work.

Scheme: zone blitz 4-3 Playbook: Pitt D

Part 1 Defensive Line:

I reccomend changing the players postions by editing the roster prior to the start of ccm. This way Sheard can progress as an OLB and upgrade zone coverage.

Rubin and Taylor:
I know it sounds weird, but Taylor will be playing LE next year. It is a bit odd, but look at Baltimore's 3-4 front, they use RE, NT, DT and Suggs or Kruger is usually right at the LOS.

LE: Taylor
NT: Rubin
RE: Hear me out. I would move Wynn. He is made to be a 3-4 RE with a versatile skillset, and he actually played in a 3-3-5 set a lot in college.

What about Rucker? I trade him to NE for Ras-I-Dowling and jake Ballard. Dowling is a great CB who is suberb in coverage, man and zone, and excells in run support. He fits your new scheme really well and can be a #2. By upgrading his play recognition, you can offset his low awareness, and he will really, really surprise you. He is an INT monster for me, trust me. Ballard fits really well as a #2 TE. Your offense motions him a lot as a blocker. It also sends the #3 TE, Jordon Cameron on deep routes in 3 TE sets. He will really help.

OLB and Fronts Next...

[Underdawg]

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LOLB: Sheard, just work on his zone coverage, and play recognition as the years go by and he will be dominant. I don't think he will be quite dominant in real life, but we are talking about madden.

MLB Jackson and Gocong. Gocong actually played his best year of football as a 3-4 ILB. He was traded away from philly for not truly fitting in there 4-3, and pro football focus graded him very highly at ILB in the 3-4

ROLB and Backups:
I would sign Sergio Kindle and Aaron Maybin as utility players. One of them can start at ROLB for one year, but you will really want to draft a superstar ROLB and have fun progressing him. Gocong is an option, but then you have a hole at MLB, so it is really a personal choice.

What makes Kindle and Maybin Important are packages:

You have a 1-5 Prowl in you playbook which is great for when Taylor needs a rest and/or you want to confuse the O. Having Rubin at NT with Sheard, Gocong, Kindle, and Maybin wandering around in a confusing front behind him generates a great pass rush on long passing downs.

You also will have a 1-4 dollar package where you will have sheard and DQuell at nickle MLB by default and you backup OLB and LE and starting ROLB at RE. This package works great with this personnel set. Sheard usually blitzes from the linebacker spot for a four man rush of Gocong, Kindle, Sheard, and Rubin. Also great for passing downs.

Please read about the Lebeau D. It wont let me post links, but just google dick lebeau defense and read the article with scardraft in the url. Its a great start.

It explains the Blitzburg D pretty well.

I use a variation of the Holy Batman Sliders from the slider forum, and I can still stop the cpu run-game, but they will get realistic rushing totals with 11 minute quarters and it provides great gameplay. I dont know if you like zero or ratings based sliders tho. If it helps, I run this scheme/personnel with default sliders too and it works.

Please feel free to ask and debate as much as you want. Browns+Madden can be quite fun this time of year, especially with a coaching and scheme change!

[Underdawg]

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Im sorry, but I re-wrote the first Defense part very fast and made a stupid typo.
zone blitz 3-4 LOL

[Underdawg]

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One more note:
Arizona D is almost the Same as Pitt D.
Horton runs what he knows, and thats the Pitt D.

I really hope you can find a play maker at FS in the draft or sign Nick Collins.
The FS is supposed to be an "eraser" or goalie type in this scheme and prevent big plays and free up the SS.

[Cory Levy]

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Wanted to chime into this topic and thank Underdawg for the great analysis. I want to build a team up as a project and I've always had a soft spot for the Browns since they really do deserve to have some good seasons sent their way. I'll probably make my own Head Coach but I do want to install the 3-4 and I've already just blew up the entire defense basically and replaced them with good rookies and bodies until I can get more guys but it feels kind of cheap so I'll be re-doing it and following Underdawg's layout.

My main priority the first off-season will be finding a Pass Rusher to play opposite Sheard at OLB. I usually pick up Kindle when I play as Dallas because he's a decent fill-in and I like redemption stories. May pick up Spencer if he's a free agent the next time around. The Browns secondary outside of Ward and Haden needs a lot of work too. Probably go with Mike Jenkins and possibly Glover Quinn Jr. at Safety.

Anyway, thanks again for the good work. Hope to make the Browns a dominant force in Madden for years to come.

[KingV2k3]

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Here's something I wrote for another thread:

Re: run/pass ratio Team specific playbooks for computer- offline CCM
Here's an interesting item that will help understand how the Legend books could be thought of / implemented:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_Coryell

Madden / Vermeil (Martz) / Gibbs are all from this "Vertical / Spread" tree, along with BAL OC Cameron, SD Turner and OAK Saunders

Walsh / West Coast is a "horizontal" implementation that's success is based in high completion percentage passes and "less talented" (as per Walsh) personnel...

Gibbs is a two TE / Zone run implementation of a vertical offence...

Billick is a West Coast variant as well, which is ALSO a variant of "Air Coryell"...

Flores is ALSO a variant of the Sid Gilman style, which is the predecessor to "Air Coryell"...

Landry and Lombardi are the only Legend books that don't have a Gilman / Coryell / Vertical base...

Even the Walsh / West Coast traces back to that...

Anyway:

It's interesting stuff...

Conclusion:

The majority of these Legend books are based in Vertical / Spread origins, with Gibbs run heavy / twin TE and Walsh's WC variants included...with Billick's book as a "not too distant" cousin...


In short:

The Madden Legend book is pretty close to the original intention of a "conservative" version of Air Coryell that Turner runs...

The Madden / or SD book is prob the closest, with Vermeil (which I use for CLE with a created HC that is now in 2016) being the more "exotic" version...

Hybrid would be the most "open ended" book to build off, but I don't think it's YOUR best "Madden Move"

3-4 is implemented poorly in this title AND with Rubin and Taylor, I'd prefer to have those two DTs on the field as often as possible...

Anyway you go about it, it's a great young roster to build a CCM with!