can't seem to throw high jump balls

[billsmetalbooze]

hi, i've gone to Practice mode and tried throwing short jump ball passes to my 6'7" tight end and no luck.

i've tried pressing up on the right stick (Xbox), i've tried tap passes, bullet passes, and they all end up around his upper chest.

i want to throw a short or intermediate pass up where only a tall player can reach the ball jumping up.

what am i doing wrong? does the game allow high passes only on certain routes?

this is also a problem throwing on post routes or deep slants/drags where a WR or TE is easily 5 - 10 yards behind a linebacker who is maybe 10 yards downfield; in real life a touch pass up high should go over the linebacker and arc down into my target, but i can't do it.

advice is appreciated.

[bigbob]

Re: can't seem to throw high jump balls

Jump balls are really iffy, mainly because of the terrible WR/TE/DB Interaction.

The one thing I noticed you say though, you said you use the "right stick". The left stick is the one you use for "Total Control Passing". Try that while also tapping whatever receiver you want and see if you get a difference.

[billsmetalbooze]

Re: can't seem to throw high jump balls

Jump balls are really iffy, mainly because of the terrible WR/TE/DB Interaction.

The one thing I noticed you say though, you said you use the "right stick". The left stick is the one you use for "Total Control Passing". Try that while also tapping whatever receiver you want and see if you get a difference.

sweet baby jesus in a basket... i either a) forgot i tried with the left stick and typed "right" or b) have been using the right stick mistakenly.

considering i know how to lead guys on routes, i'm assuming i was using the left stick and just incorrectly remembered it was the right.

i will confirm again tonight.

can you confirm that you can in fact throw over defenders?

any time i have a defender in front of my guy, even 5 yards in front, he catches the ball.

thanks again!

[stp2081]

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can you confirm that you can in fact throw over defenders?

any time i have a defender in front of my guy, even 5 yards in front, he catches the ball.

thanks again!

It's a legacy issue that has never been cleaned up. 1 time out of 10, you'll manage to throw directly over the DB (the DB won't jump-catch), and the ball will land in the hands of the streaking WR. Nine times out of 10, however, the DB will react a million times better than the WR, and catch the ball (assuming decent attributes for both the DB & WR, and difficulty setting). Fade routes are better for a jump ball, but nowhere near as good as they are IRL.

[killerx2]

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in MUT ive had no problem throwing over a defender, 95 speed boldin has 3 yard seperation and easily gets it 10/10 times when its a good pass, if you do a high bullet pass that can be a problem, but if you just tap the reciever the ball easily goes over the defender.i'm also pretty bad in madden, so this isnt some impossible trick i'm doing.it is sad you cant do high bullet passes for big reievers though.

[Kwazi813]

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I'm a pretty good QB overall and I really struggle with this, don't even try anymore really.

On All Pro the DBs(even tho they promised it was gone) react to balls they can't see. DBs locate the ball much faster than WRs and often make a better play on it. Its sad really.

There's no depth in the middle of the field. I never even attempt a pass over a LB if there's a safety within 20 yards. Either the LB will superman jump and pick it off, or the only pass you can actually fit into the window is so friggin slow any decent speed S closes the gap too fast.

Maybe I need to change my sliders. I never notice a WR being particularly faster than a DB, and I never see an elite TE burn LBs in coverage unless its a streak up the seam.

Does anyone have slider suggestions? I'm on All Pro. Also no one on either side seems to break any tackles or make defenders miss in the open field, I'm getting tired of it.

[Sheik]

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question, are you trying to throw jump balls, or simply throw over the top of defenders? asking for clarification

[billsmetalbooze]

Re: can't seem to throw high jump balls

question, are you trying to throw jump balls, or simply throw over the top of defenders? asking for clarification

both.

sometimes i want to throw a 20 yarder up the middle over a lb 10 yards out; sometimes i want to lead a tall WR/TE high and away from a nearby defender.

[Sheik]

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big receivers with high spectacular catch, jumping, catch in traffic, catch, & AWARENESS

trust me. just push up on the left stick when you throw to push the ball a little higher so they have to jump, and use medium pressure on the button. pass sensitivity is a big thing, so you'll have to work on it.

also, when you throw over linebackers, you have to time it pretty well, don't push up on the stick for this throw, you just want to lob it into a free zone behind the linebacker...just be sure there's atleast 5 years in front of the linebacker and 10 yards behind them and no safety support.
those are the types of throws where the receiver is going to get hit soon as the ball it caught, it's a very time sensitive issue.

[CJ10]

Re: can't seem to throw high jump balls

big receivers with high spectacular catch, jumping, catch in traffic, catch, & AWARENESS

trust me. just push up on the left stick when you throw to push the ball a little higher so they have to jump, and use medium pressure on the button. pass sensitivity is a big thing, so you'll have to work on it.

also, when you throw over linebackers, you have to time it pretty well, don't push up on the stick for this throw, you just want to lob it into a free zone behind the linebacker...just be sure there's atleast 5 years in front of the linebacker and 10 yards behind them and no safety support.
those are the types of throws where the receiver is going to get hit soon as the ball it caught, it's a very time sensitive issue.

I have to disagree with lobbing over the linebackers is the way this should normally be done, in the game maybe yes, even though I still get linebackers skating backward to leap and knock my ball down.

Me and a buddy discussed this during the packers niners game. Rodgers zipped a pass right over a LB head and he barely left the ground. This is because in real life LB's don't have 30 to 40 inch vertical jumps. That's why they're linebackers lol. Madden needs to implement this better.

[RyanMoody21]

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With true jump balls, the game ruins the opportunity for it to work correctly.

Both defender and WR will stop and turn but the ball trajectory will determine who make the catch more than anything else.

Generally speaking about 10 feet from the player the ball will arch back up in the air to "complete" the pass.

This was done to fix last years issue where the arch of the pass was under exaggerated and had the ball going straight into the ground.

Either way you slice it, take a good look at what the players and ball do to complete animations and you will see height and attributes really don't matter.

Nobody is going to "attack" the ball at its highest point or "box out" the opponent, not possible with the ball changing in flight.

[KBLover]

Re: can't seem to throw high jump balls

With true jump balls, the game ruins the opportunity for it to work correctly.

Both defender and WR will stop and turn but the ball trajectory will determine who make the catch more than anything else.

Generally speaking about 10 feet from the player the ball will arch back up in the air to "complete" the pass.

This was done to fix last years issue where the arch of the pass was under exaggerated and had the ball going straight into the ground.

Either way you slice it, take a good look at what the players and ball do to complete animations and you will see height and attributes really don't matter.

Nobody is going to "attack" the ball at its highest point or "box out" the opponent, not possible with the ball changing in flight.

Yep.. about the closest thing to a box out is if the CB is behind the WR. Then he has no chance to get the pass - but the WR doesn't actively try to make this happen. It's more the DB's lack of coverage/awareness/PRC/Plays the Ball that determines it.

Only other high pass is I can get to sometimes happen is just up and pass button - but that's not a "jump ball" situation.

Height could matter - but the game is still more die roll events and not enough REAL physics and physical attributes making a difference. The "physics" can twist my players' arms and legs around but can't make a 6' 7", 250 lb TE a monster to deal with consistently.

There's still morphing or whatever it's called (defenders hands can "go through" the ball - I've seen passes I've made that were like 'wow, how did that make it' and I check the replay...and it shouldn't have made it, should have been a swat down), and that can ruin some plays, too.

[billsmetalbooze]

Re: can't seem to throw high jump balls

thanks for the replies. i was indeed using the left stick.
last night in the Superbowl i had a WR on a post 6 yards behind a linebacker.

i tried to press up and felt my man was "open."

linebacker jumps up and a close game is over. i lost. not just on that play but that may have cost me points both ways...

the game needs to implement proper arcing of touch passes and like someone said, WRs need to "box out" defenders and attack the ball at the highest point; this is sorely lacking and makes realism a long way off.

thanks again.

[Squall Leonhart]

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Does anyone know how to through a strike with a little air under it? Like a high bullet pass?

[reggiekush43]

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Yep.. about the closest thing to a box out is if the CB is behind the WR. Then he has no chance to get the pass - but the WR doesn't actively try to make this happen. It's more the DB's lack of coverage/awareness/PRC/Plays the Ball that determines it.

Only other high pass is I can get to sometimes happen is just up and pass button - but that's not a "jump ball" situation.

Height could matter - but the game is still more die roll events and not enough REAL physics and physical attributes making a difference. The "physics" can twist my players' arms and legs around but can't make a 6' 7", 250 lb TE a monster to deal with consistently.

There's still morphing or whatever it's called (defenders hands can "go through" the ball - I've seen passes I've made that were like 'wow, how did that make it' and I check the replay...and it shouldn't have made it, should have been a swat down), and that can ruin some plays, too.

ive made a few one on one plays with JAcoby ford and Randall Cobb who are 5'9" and 5'10" lol. hieght really doesnt matter a ton its all about timing. In fades they might make a difference tho.

My TE is 6'6" with 91 jump and out of 86 receptions this season i dont know that any of them his feet left the ground haha. in the redzone i will try to do a high bullet pass in traffic hoping hell outjump everyone and take the ball out of the air. but he just gets it at the numbers every time for a standard catch.

I still like 6'4" freak WRs who can blaze but i have made very similar plays with my WR Junior Sahanas (6'4" 215lb 96sp) and Jacoby Ford/Randall cobb where i ll throw it in tight man-coverage and user undercut and go up and get the ball.