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  • WashingtonGrove
    Rookie
    • Aug 2010
    • 12
    #1

    Franchise Mode

    I am a statistics junkie, in fact, I find the statistics in the Franchise Mode much more interesting than the actual game play. I have MLB 2k12, but the player development and statistics are miserable. Kemp will hit 40 homeruns one season, then 13 the next. Players are BEYOND inconsistent and player development doesn't do much.

    So after reading the reviews of 2k13, most of them are reporting the same issues in the statistics. My question to you is, does 2k13 have plans of patching the statistics? If not, which 2k actually had a fair franchise mode in which the numbers weren't rigged and player development mattered? I remember having 2k9 which wasn't too bad. Basically, which 2k last had a decent simulation system?
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    • RoyalBoyle78
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      • May 2003
      • 23918
      #2
      Re: Franchise Mode

      Originally posted by WashingtonGrove
      I am a statistics junkie, in fact, I find the statistics in the Franchise Mode much more interesting than the actual game play. I have MLB 2k12, but the player development and statistics are miserable. Kemp will hit 40 homeruns one season, then 13 the next. Players are BEYOND inconsistent and player development doesn't do much.

      So after reading the reviews of 2k13, most of them are reporting the same issues in the statistics. My question to you is, does 2k13 have plans of patching the statistics? If not, which 2k actually had a fair franchise mode in which the numbers weren't rigged and player development mattered? I remember having 2k9 which wasn't too bad. Basically, which 2k last had a decent simulation system?

      how many games did he play the year he hit 13, was he injured?
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        • WashingtonGrove
          Rookie
          • Aug 2010
          • 12
          #3
          Re: Franchise Mode

          Originally posted by Footballforever
          how many games did he play the year he hit 13, was he injured?
          I turn off injuries and hot/cold streaks. I have experimented with streaks as well, does not improve.

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            • CMH
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              • Oct 2002
              • 26203
              #4
              Re: Franchise Mode

              I think the problem is everyone sees the name Matt Kemp and then assumes he has to hit 40 home runs every year.

              How boring would a game be if players' stats at the end of the season were always exactly the same?

              Matt Kemp once hit 18 home runs in a full season. Sure, you could argue that he was not THE Matt Kemp we know now, but the fact remains that he once hit only 18 home runs.

              You have to ask yourself how many people would have been upset had David Wright only hit 10 home runs a year after hitting 33. But, you see, that actually happened.

              When it comes to baseball, I don't know if end of season stats are a perfect measure of actual performance/ratings. You have to look at the entire pool of players and find if the league is performing average to its MLB counterpart.

              If it is, there's no problem; it's simply people looking at the name Matt Kemp when the game only knows the ratings and the simple fact that it's simulating baseball.
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                • RoyalBoyle78
                  Aka."Footballforever"
                  • May 2003
                  • 23918
                  #5
                  Originally posted by CMH
                  I think the problem is everyone sees the name Matt Kemp and then assumes he has to hit 40 home runs every year.

                  How boring would a game be if players' stats at the end of the season were always exactly the same?

                  Matt Kemp once hit 18 home runs in a full season. Sure, you could argue that he was not THE Matt Kemp we know now, but the fact remains that he once hit only 18 home runs.

                  You have to ask yourself how many people would have been upset had David Wright only hit 10 home runs a year after hitting 33. But, you see, that actually happened.

                  When it comes to baseball, I don't know if end of season stats are a perfect measure of actual performance/ratings. You have to look at the entire pool of players and find if the league is performing average to its MLB counterpart.

                  If it is, there's no problem; it's simply people looking at the name Matt Kemp when the game only knows the ratings and the simple fact that it's simulating baseball.
                  Have too 100% agree with us.

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                    • daltros
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                      • Jun 2010
                      • 71
                      #6
                      Re: Franchise Mode

                      I completely agree, too, which is why baseball is such a fun and entertaining sport, because a dynamic player can have up-and-down statistics in certain categories but still be an integral part to the team in other categories. Continuing with David Wright, he is a great example of this (keep in mind injuries, though).

                      2008: 160 games, 33 HRs, 124 RBIs, 15 SBs, .302 AVG
                      2009: 144 games, 10 HRs, 72 RBIs , 27 SBs, .307 AVG
                      2010: 157 games, 29 HRs, 103 RBIs, 19 SBs, .283 AVG

                      Another interesting player to compare is Adrian Gonzalez.

                      2010: 160 games, 31 HRs, 101 RBIs, 93 BBs, .298 AVG
                      2011: 159 games, 27 HRs, 117 RBIs, 74 BBs, .338 AVG
                      2012: 159 games, 18 HRs, 108 RBIs, 42 BBs, .299 AVG

                      And just for historical reference, the Cubs' Hack Wilson in 1930 (155 games) hit 56 HRs but in 1931 (112 games) hit only 13 HRs. Dbacks' Luis Gonzalez in 2001 (162 games) hit 57 HRs but in 2002 (148 games) hit only 28 HRs.

                      This was referenced from baseball-reference.com

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                        • Qdiddy
                          Pro
                          • Aug 2009
                          • 532
                          #7
                          Re: Franchise Mode

                          Originally posted by daltros
                          I completely agree, too, which is why baseball is such a fun and entertaining sport, because a dynamic player can have up-and-down statistics in certain categories but still be an integral part to the team in other categories. Continuing with David Wright, he is a great example of this (keep in mind injuries, though).

                          2008: 160 games, 33 HRs, 124 RBIs, 15 SBs, .302 AVG
                          2009: 144 games, 10 HRs, 72 RBIs , 27 SBs, .307 AVG
                          2010: 157 games, 29 HRs, 103 RBIs, 19 SBs, .283 AVG

                          Another interesting player to compare is Adrian Gonzalez.

                          2010: 160 games, 31 HRs, 101 RBIs, 93 BBs, .298 AVG
                          2011: 159 games, 27 HRs, 117 RBIs, 74 BBs, .338 AVG
                          2012: 159 games, 18 HRs, 108 RBIs, 42 BBs, .299 AVG

                          And just for historical reference, the Cubs' Hack Wilson in 1930 (155 games) hit 56 HRs but in 1931 (112 games) hit only 13 HRs. Dbacks' Luis Gonzalez in 2001 (162 games) hit 57 HRs but in 2002 (148 games) hit only 28 HRs.

                          This was referenced from baseball-reference.com
                          Great example and agree with you guys 100% that is what makes baseball the greatest game out there, a pitcher or hitter can be HOF caliber 1,2 or so years then fall off the map after that and vice versa. People do look too much into a name and assume they should have certain stats, but any stat junkie should be able to tell you, you would be surprised at most stats the so called "big name" guys actually have compared to a lesser known, cheaper just as capable alternative.
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                            • WashingtonGrove
                              Rookie
                              • Aug 2010
                              • 12
                              #8
                              Re: Franchise Mode

                              Right, no I agree with you all on much of this. But if we look at the statistics as a collective league.. The league leader in home-runs will have in the mid 30s or so, and this typically happens once every 3-4 seasons. I do not know of many seasons for the past 20 years that had these numbers, if any. It just seems that "down" seasons seemingly happen much more than not.

                              But definitely good incite, makes me favor the system a little bit than before.

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                                • WashingtonGrove
                                  Rookie
                                  • Aug 2010
                                  • 12
                                  #9
                                  Re: Franchise Mode

                                  I have just simulated about 15 seasons, not one player got above 43 homeruns.

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                                    • VC_Plant
                                      Rookie
                                      • Jun 2004
                                      • 127
                                      #10
                                      Re: Franchise Mode

                                      2K13 and not 2K12, right? Low offense was an issue last year. I just simmed a season and got 44 HRs for Teixeira and 42 for Fielder. with 27 guys in the 30s (27 players hit 30 or more HRs last year, so there actually were 2 more 30+ guys for 2K13).

                                      Don't forget, the only guys to hit over 43 HRs the last three years are Cabrera (44 last year) and Bautista (54 in 2010).

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                                        • WashingtonGrove
                                          Rookie
                                          • Aug 2010
                                          • 12
                                          #11
                                          Re: Franchise Mode

                                          Originally posted by VC_Plant
                                          2K13 and not 2K12, right? Low offense was an issue last year. I just simmed a season and got 44 HRs for Teixeira and 42 for Fielder. with 27 guys in the 30s (27 players hit 30 or more HRs last year, so there actually were 2 more 30+ guys for 2K13).

                                          Don't forget, the only guys to hit over 43 HRs the last three years are Cabrera (44 last year) and Bautista (54 in 2010).
                                          I am playing 2k12. So you think 2k13 did in fact change the statistics up a bit?

                                          I am using this as a little bit of real life reference. (Bit hard to get a clear picture considering you can't roid players in video games haha)
                                          Home Runs Leaders Year-by-Year | Baseball Almanac
                                          http://www.baseball-almanac.com/hitting/hihr5.shtml
                                          Home runs leaders year-by-year, research by Baseball Almanac.

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                                            • VC_Plant
                                              Rookie
                                              • Jun 2004
                                              • 127
                                              #12
                                              Re: Franchise Mode

                                              Correct, the pitcher's paradise that was 2K12's sim was addressed this year.

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                                                • WashingtonGrove
                                                  Rookie
                                                  • Aug 2010
                                                  • 12
                                                  #13
                                                  Re: Franchise Mode

                                                  Originally posted by VC_Plant
                                                  Correct, the pitcher's paradise that was 2K12's sim was addressed this year.
                                                  Wonderful, thank you. I will be sure to check 2k13 out.

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