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  • taildog
    MVP
    • Jun 2008
    • 1161

    #1

    ICE DEFENSE ON PICK & ROLL

    Does anybody know what the Def settings are for this defense in NBA 2K13?

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  • alabamarob
    MVP
    • Nov 2010
    • 3351

    #2
    Re: ICE DEFENSE ON PICK &amp; ROLL

    You have to do it manually. You have to keep one of your bigs in a constant help position. The bulls always keep a 4 or 5 in between the ball and the rim. In the video you will constantly see Noah running to the ball side of the floor standing behind the perimeter defender.

    Originally posted by taildog
    Does anybody know what the Def settings are for this defense in NBA 2K13?

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    • ffaacc03
      MVP
      • Oct 2008
      • 3487

      #3
      Re: ICE DEFENSE ON PICK &amp; ROLL

      While the Bulls do have such a system, as stated on the video, they know when to do it, as it is dependant on who is on the court and who they want taking those long 2. So is on a matchup vs matchup basses.

      2k i.e.

      - Boozer vs Blatche => sag off (on ball & off ball) / under (defending pick)
      - Noah vs Lopez => sag off (on ball & off ball) / under (defending pick)
      - Butler/Deng vs Wallace => sag off (on ball & off ball) / under (defending pick)
      - Rose/Rob/Kirk vs DWill => tight (on ball & off ball) / over (defending pick)
      - Rip/Belli vs JoeJ => tight (on ball & off ball) / over (defending pick)
      Defend man to man, on ball, deny the middle and lean players to where the help D is, so the rotation doesnt have to overcome a good distance


      If you want you can also alter the following coach sliders ...
      - put help D around 70-80 (could be higher but I tend not to, to avoid overcommitment)
      - put preassure around 80-90 (can also be higher, CHI is one of the best defending the 3)
      Thus I only do it if the first set of steps dont provide me with the results.


      A key variable that affects the performance of this is the players DAw, a team of bad defenders (and/or slow ones) can only do so much. As IRL, in 2k, CHI is great (specially if is of a worthy custom roster).
      Last edited by ffaacc03; 05-25-2013, 08:49 AM.

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      • taildog
        MVP
        • Jun 2008
        • 1161

        #4
        Re: ICE DEFENSE ON PICK &amp; ROLL

        What about the hedge setting?

        Originally posted by ffaacc03
        While the Bulls do have such a system, as stated on the video, they know when to do it, as it is dependant on who is on the court and who they want taking those long 2. So is on a matchup vs matchup basses.

        2k i.e.

        - Boozer vs Blatche => sag off (on ball & off ball) / under (defending pick)
        - Noah vs Lopez => sag off (on ball & off ball) / under (defending pick)
        - Butler/Deng vs Wallace => sag off (on ball & off ball) / under (defending pick)
        - Rose/Rob/Kirk vs DWill => tight (on ball & off ball) / over (defending pick)
        - Rip/Belli vs JoeJ => tight (on ball & off ball) / over (defending pick)
        Defend man to man, on ball, deny the middle and lean players to where the help D is, so the rotation doesnt have to overcome a good distance


        If you want you can also alter the following coach sliders ...
        - put help D around 70-80 (could be higher but I tend not to, to avoid overcommitment)
        - put preassure around 80-90 (can also be higher, CHI is one of the best defending the 3)
        Thus I only do it if the first set of steps dont provide me with the results.


        A key variable that affects the performance of this is the players DAw, a team of bad defenders (and/or slow ones) can only do so much. As IRL, in 2k, CHI is great (specially if is of a worthy custom roster).
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        • Dash2112
          Rookie
          • Aug 2012
          • 41

          #5
          Re: ICE DEFENSE ON PICK &amp; ROLL

          ICE is the opposite of hedging. By hedging, the defense is forced to send a third defender over to cover the roll to the basket by the screener, since the screeners man is so high to slow down the ball handler coming off the pick. By playing ICE (forcing the ballhandler away from the screen, having the screeners man sink down into the lane to contain the drive and/or roll), the screeners man is able to take away both the drive and the roll, making it much more difficult to score.

          tl;dr: Set hedge settings to 'No Hedge'

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          • EarvGotti
            MVP
            • Nov 2009
            • 2249

            #6
            Re: ICE DEFENSE ON PICK &amp; ROLL

            Yup, i've started doing this like about a week ago after watching Coach Nick's videos. Set your pick defense to no hedge and manually shade your opponent away from the screen. So i set up my defender right next to the screener instead of right in front of the ball handler. This makes getting around picks much much easier.
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            • sirjam
              MVP
              • Oct 2002
              • 3535

              #7
              Re: ICE DEFENSE ON PICK &amp; ROLL

              Originally posted by EarvGotti
              Yup, i've started doing this like about a week ago after watching Coach Nick's videos. Set your pick defense to no hedge and manually shade your opponent away from the screen. So i set up my defender right next to the screener instead of right in front of the ball handler. This makes getting around picks much much easier.
              Coach Nick?

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              • Bawstun
                Rookie
                • May 2013
                • 224

                #8
                Re: ICE DEFENSE ON PICK &amp; ROLL

                Originally posted by sirjam
                Coach Nick?
                The man that is analyzing the video above in the OP, smart guy.

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                • sirjam
                  MVP
                  • Oct 2002
                  • 3535

                  #9
                  Re: ICE DEFENSE ON PICK &amp; ROLL

                  Originally posted by Bawstun
                  The man that is analyzing the video above in the OP, smart guy.
                  lol I thought he was maybe talking about a 2k guy like coach 2k is. smart guy

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                  • TheLetterZ
                    All Star
                    • Jul 2002
                    • 6752

                    #10
                    Re: ICE DEFENSE ON PICK &amp; ROLL

                    Nick is great. He and I are going to be doing some stuff together this summer, so stay tuned for that.

                    My biggest wish for 2K14 is the implementation of more modern NBA defenses.

                    As is, 2K13 players are pretty restricted to traditional man-to-man and zone defenses.

                    There's a little room for creativity through the individual settings and manually controlling players, but there's not as much schematic freedom as there should be.

                    2K doesn't do a good job replicating modern NBA team defense yet.

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                    • taildog
                      MVP
                      • Jun 2008
                      • 1161

                      #11
                      Re: ICE DEFENSE ON PICK &amp; ROLL

                      But i dont understand. Look at all the defenses in College Hoops. why cant those be brought into 2k14? Im talking college hoops 2k8. 2......K.....8 for goodness sake! that game was made in 2007
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                      • JerzeyReign
                        MVP
                        • Jul 2009
                        • 4847

                        #12
                        Re: ICE DEFENSE ON PICK &amp; ROLL

                        Originally posted by taildog
                        But i dont understand. Look at all the defenses in College Hoops. why cant those be brought into 2k14? Im talking college hoops 2k8. 2......K.....8 for goodness sake! that game was made in 2007
                        A lot of those defenses aren't ran in the league.

                        Modern defenses include Boston's man/zone hybrid. I'm hoping ICE and other defensive schemes are added. ICE may never be beaten though if passing isn't fixed. Skip pass is the best way to beat it.
                        #WashedGamer

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                        • TheLetterZ
                          All Star
                          • Jul 2002
                          • 6752

                          #13
                          Re: ICE DEFENSE ON PICK &amp; ROLL

                          Originally posted by taildog
                          But i dont understand. Look at all the defenses in College Hoops. why cant those be brought into 2k14? Im talking college hoops 2k8. 2......K.....8 for goodness sake! that game was made in 2007
                          Because those aren't the defenses we're talking about.

                          When you see an NBA team running a 1-3-1 or box-and-one, you let me know.

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                          • taildog
                            MVP
                            • Jun 2008
                            • 1161

                            #14
                            Re: ICE DEFENSE ON PICK &amp; ROLL

                            Bball fans should remember KG at the top of the TWolves 1-2-2/3-2 Zone. In College Hoops you can change which plays play where in the zone. All so many nba teams run a 1-2-1-1 trap or press. Also those classic bulls teams ran it 40% of the game in the playoffs.
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                            • TheLetterZ
                              All Star
                              • Jul 2002
                              • 6752

                              #15
                              Re: ICE DEFENSE ON PICK &amp; ROLL

                              NBA teams very occasionally run unconventional defenses, sure.

                              Would you really the developers rather spend their time implementing those defenses as opposed to the modern schemes that the best teams in the league run 99% of the time now?

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