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  • Find_the_Door
    Nogueira connoisseur
    • Jan 2012
    • 4065

    #1

    Will this be the year?

    Will this be the year that longstanding legacy issues are addressed?

    Am I going to have to go through another year of users resorting to dropping ten in coverage, and sending one pass rusher that (somehow) results in immense pressure and a plethora of coverage sacks?


    Why are these legacy issues seemingly ignored? Will they ever be addressed? I fear that the majority of the Madden fan base results to these exploits/downright glitches and EA fears loss of business due to a switch to a more sim offering.


    I sincerely hope this thread isn't flamed and/or a mod doesn't exercise censorship as these are questions that time and again are sometimes overlooked, but more often intentionally dismissed. These issues hamper my online experience year in and out (along with a lot of users here). I've even heard of players completely abandoning online as they've had such terrible experiences due to said legacy issues that they've "settled" with an offline experience. This is very upsetting as players are forced to sacrifice certain aspects that they genuinely enjoy of the online experience to play lame redundant predictable AI (another thing lacking) resulting in a bland experience.



    I honestly at this point would rather EA address longstanding legacy issues that are completely game breaking over implementation of new unbalanced/incomplete game play mechanics (just for a season) just so I (and others) can enjoy a legitimate test of skill - even if just for a year.


    I miss the legitimacy of other titles and early Madden. Now we're given "Street Fighter Combos" with our running backs. I think it's abundantly clear the direction of Madden. I hope it doesn't continue to become more of an arcade style game, but it looks like that's what sells. Please EA give me back the Madden I know and love. Madden 10 was the last time I enjoyed Madden - since it's just been baseless gimmicks.
    Last edited by Find_the_Door; 07-09-2013, 09:42 AM.
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  • rocknrollrebel
    Rookie
    • Jun 2013
    • 6

    #2
    Re: Will this be the year?

    My questions toward Madden 25 (or Madden 14 which some call it) is...will there be an option for CPU vs CPU or Coach Mode (where you call plays only as the cpu runs the play) in Owner Mode and/or Offline Franchise Mode?

    Last year's game did not have this and I know I, as well as others, did not like it at all. Personally I find it fun to coach or just watch the games so I am curious if this is available in this upcoming game

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    • Darxide
      Rookie
      • Mar 2006
      • 222

      #3
      Re: Will this be the year?

      The problem isn't the game as much as it is the players, I think.

      You can play Madden as a simulative NFL experience, or you can play it like a videogame. Most online will play it like a video game. I'm not sure anything can really be done to prevent that, considering that Madden has relatively short dev cycle.
      Last edited by Darxide; 07-09-2013, 02:33 PM.

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      • CoachKayzle
        Just started!
        • Jul 2013
        • 8

        #4
        Re: Will this be the year?

        I know this is completely off topic but I'm not sure what other way to get the answer. This is my first post and I'm wondering if anyone can tell me why I can't post a new thread? I don't see a rules section that says you need a certain amount of posts before you can do so.


        Anyone?

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        • jme42257
          Rookie
          • May 2009
          • 10

          #5
          Re: Will this be the year?

          Originally posted by CoachKayzle
          I know this is completely off topic but I'm not sure what other way to get the answer. This is my first post and I'm wondering if anyone can tell me why I can't post a new thread? I don't see a rules section that says you need a certain amount of posts before you can do so.


          Anyone?
          u def need a certain amount of posts. As for madden, it can be arcade-y. But sim as well. There's always gonna be random glitches ppl will find to win. It's annoying but it's been that way since like 2000 haha

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          • GiantBlue76
            Banned
            • Jun 2007
            • 3301

            #6
            Re: Will this be the year?

            Originally posted by Darxide
            The problem isn't the game as much as it is the players, I think.

            You can play Madden as a simulative NFL experience, or you can play it like a videogame. Most online will play it like a video game. I'm not sure anything can really be done to prevent that, considering that Madden has relatively short dev cycle.
            I couldn't disagree more. It's the fact that the game is designed in such a way that allows the players to do what they do and be successful. That's why that "other" game drew me away from madden years earlier. You could try that crap, but it won't work. I NEVER blame the players. They want to win, why wouldn't they simply do what works? If you can successfully utilize the arcadey nature of Madden to help you win, most people are going to do it. Throwing accurate passes when running backwards with your QB, covering the entire field with a linebacker, throwing pinpoint passes when on the run, being able to run faster backwards than a DE can run forward, etc. etc. Calling Dollar defense and successfully stopping the run, not having penalties called. Streak routes that either win or lose instantly at the line instead of correct WR/DB jostling for position. The list is long and it all contributes the issues being discussed here.

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            • ghettogeeksta
              Banned
              • Sep 2011
              • 2639

              #7
              Re: Will this be the year?

              If Madden 25 is anything like NCAA Football 14, then one pass rusher will not get any where near the Qb with the upgraded blocking logic. So thats one issue you won't have to worry about.

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              • jmurphy31
                MVP
                • Jun 2008
                • 2794

                #8
                Re: Will this be the year?

                Originally posted by rocknrollrebel
                My questions toward Madden 25 (or Madden 14 which some call it) is...will there be an option for CPU vs CPU or Coach Mode (where you call plays only as the cpu runs the play) in Owner Mode and/or Offline Franchise Mode?

                Last year's game did not have this and I know I, as well as others, did not like it at all. Personally I find it fun to coach or just watch the games so I am curious if this is available in this upcoming game
                Pretty sure you cant in CCM. Only in play now . There is a whole thread on this topic somewhere on these blogs

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                • Darxide
                  Rookie
                  • Mar 2006
                  • 222

                  #9
                  Re: Will this be the year?

                  But that "other" game had it's fair share of issues that led to video-game football as well. A dev at EA once told me, "for every issue we fix, it creates two in it's place". My point is, making a game from any sport perfect enough to the point where it's a 100% facsimile is impossible. And people will ALWAYS complain about something.

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                  • CoachKayzle
                    Just started!
                    • Jul 2013
                    • 8

                    #10
                    Re: Will this be the year?

                    Originally posted by jme42257
                    u def need a certain amount of posts. As for madden, it can be arcade-y. But sim as well. There's always gonna be random glitches ppl will find to win. It's annoying but it's been that way since like 2000 haha
                    Thank you sir, is there any way you could link me to the part of the site that tell you more about that qualifications

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                    • JaymeeAwesome
                      Dynasty Guru
                      • Jan 2005
                      • 4163

                      #11
                      Anytime you add a human element to a game, it disrupts the game's AI in how it's designed. I control the QB, HB, and WR (after catching the ball) and that's it. I don't play defense. Doing this allows the AI to play to the best of its ability and allows me to have the best gaming experience ever.

                      Playing other humans makes it a "who can exploit the game the best" arcade game. When playing online you have to expect this. EA attempted forcing "fair game" play in the past and people were in an uproar that "the man" is telling them how they play a video game.

                      The best thing for EA to do is to keep moving forward and not attempt to fix every possible thing someone complains about. Keep looking at the market and design the game for the casual offline gamer. That's my suggestion.
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                      • Find_the_Door
                        Nogueira connoisseur
                        • Jan 2012
                        • 4065

                        #12
                        This issue even plagues NCAA 14 so I wouldn't be surprised if it's in Madden 25. PastaPadre said NCAA 14 plays an awful lot like Madden 25. -_-

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                        • rootofalleli
                          Rookie
                          • Feb 2010
                          • 272

                          #13
                          Re: Will this be the year?

                          I don't think this is the year that Madden will make cheese ineffective. There are fundamental issues with the game engine. It looks like there are improvements, but there will almost certainly be something (drop 10, blitz 11, streaks, slants, corners, stretch runs, screens... something) that works too well too often. Right now Madden badly needs a complete overhaul, and that's not happening on the current gen.

                          Maybe next year for next gen will be strong, if they invest in it. That's not to say it won't be better than M13, but there's just too much to do in too short a time to erase the legacy issues in gameplay, AI, user interface, sim engine, and more. Normally it takes years to make a game this big, and while there are a lot of assets and systems in place, Madden is still years away.

                          Imagine being told you were in charge of Madden. What would you feel needs major help to avoid disappointing fans of some part of the game (head-to-head online, realistic franchise, casual dynasty franchise, superstar, MUT)? What would you want to put on the market with your name on it as-is? IMO the first list would be much longer than the second. Right now it seems like EA struggles to get a working game out on time - balance, realism, and polish are always a long way off.

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                          • Smoke6
                            MVP
                            • Apr 2011
                            • 1477

                            #14
                            Re: Will this be the year?

                            I'm hoping that the nex gen versions rectify the issues I have been having with madden over the years. Its not just the players on the other end but its also the mechanics of this game...

                            I have seen players null and void multiple animations that contradict the Interception they made (if that makes sense).

                            Tired of the "One defensive play to rule them all" syndrome in this game along with it being somewhat the same on offense.

                            Defenders being able to cover areas of the field that are completely out of reach with regards to defending passes or whatnot.

                            Teams playing the exact same as eachother game after game with the only difference being the uniforms they wear.

                            Dlinemen being engaged at the snap of the ball but at the same time can shed their blocker and be at full speed making a play on the other side of the field.

                            Players making up excessive amounts of ground after manually being put out of their normal position to try and defend the run.

                            And last but not least for now, QBs dropping back or running east and west and throwing with great accuracy.

                            We have a long way to go as far as gameplay goes and I am hoping the devs stay true to their words!

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                            • juggalotusx
                              Pro
                              • Apr 2009
                              • 732

                              #15
                              Re: Will this be the year?

                              Not if its broke like NCAA 14 it wont be...
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