Leaning Layup cheese returns!

[ThatKidNamedTae]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=at4UJd5UCeo

at about 3:45- you see the point guard do a leaning layup. There weren't any in the full game livestream.

[JasonWilliams55]

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Chris Manning 2K14 <s>@</s>LD2K <small class="time"> 28m </small> Those asking about the "leaning layup" - dev's addressed it. Doesn't behave the same way as in <s>#</s>NBA2K13. Happens at a rare rate, too.

Just tweeted by LD2K.

[19LloydBanks82]

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smh what's up with all you people?? ya'll overreacting man... just calm down this ain't the same layup animation as it was in 2k13! LD2k also tweeted its rare so chill

[Red Kafe]

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smh what's up with all you people?? ya'll overreacting man... just calm down this ain't the same layup animation as it was in 2k13! LD2k also tweeted its rare so chill

Right they cry too much

[andeee]

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I didn't even know that was suppose to be cheese until now, leaning layup cheese, wtf?

Deron took a bad layup and got a bad layup animation, what exactly is the problem?

[ViolenceFight]

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smh what's up with all you people?? ya'll overreacting man... just calm down this ain't the same layup animation as it was in 2k13! LD2k also tweeted its rare so chill

Because people need stuff to complain about. The messed up this is that I've seen this animation in one of the other videos for 2k14, and NO ONE Else seems to notice that its triggered maybe TWICE in the half hours worth of different game plays we have.

In fact, if you look at it, there are other major times when in 2k13 that animation would've triggered that it hasn't in those game plays. I still don't understand why people refer to it as cheese though. Someone care to explain the cheese part of it to me?

Is it because it goes in occasionally for a horribly off balance lay up, because I see this animation generate the most misses and blocks of anything in 2k13. Yeah, It happens WAY more often than it should in 2k13 which is because of the contact and the way it's implemented in that game, but god everyone over reacts over the stupidest thing. Hell, look at the people complaining about the Lebron FANTASY mode being super unrealistic. I swear people do nothing but look for stuff to complain about in the game, and I while I get that you guys want and expect the best...I wholeheartedly believe a lot of the expectations I see on this board are asininely high. Yes there is a sweeping generalization being made here, And I apologize to those who are not blowing stuff out of proportion, but it seems like all I see is complaining about a product we have not even played yet.

Not to mention a lot of the people that have played it have assured us that it feels great to play, but we ignore some of the people who I understand are posters that carry a decent amount of weight around here, when one video pops up that shows an animation we've seen twice. 2 times. DOS. In the entire set of gameplay footage we've looked at...knowing that in 2k13 we would've seen it 60 times by now easily.

but hey, what do I know? I'm just a guy who sees change, knows what to expect when A company has less than a year to update the new game, and is willing to give something a shot before throwing it in the incinerator. So let's all put the pitchforks and torches down for a second, and actually give the game a chance before storming the castle that is 2k headquarters.

[19LloydBanks82]

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Because people need stuff to complain about. The messed up this is that I've seen this animation in one of the other videos for 2k14, and NO ONE Else seems to notice that its triggered maybe TWICE in the half hours worth of different game plays we have.

In fact, if you look at it, there are other major times when in 2k13 that animation would've triggered that it hasn't in those game plays. I still don't understand why people refer to it as cheese though. Someone care to explain the cheese part of it to me?

Is it because it goes in occasionally for a horribly off balance lay up, because I see this animation generate the most misses and blocks of anything in 2k13. Yeah, It happens WAY more often than it should in 2k13 which is because of the contact and the way it's implemented in that game, but god everyone over reacts over the stupidest thing. Hell, look at the people complaining about the Lebron FANTASY mode being super unrealistic. I swear people do nothing but look for stuff to complain about in the game, and I while I get that you guys want and expect the best...I wholeheartedly believe a lot of the expectations I see on this board are asininely high. Yes there is a sweeping generalization being made here, And I apologize to those who are not blowing stuff out of proportion, but it seems like all I see is complaining about a product we have not even played yet.

Not to mention a lot of the people that have played it have assured us that it feels great to play, but we ignore some of the people who I understand are posters that carry a decent amount of weight around here, when one video pops up that shows an animation we've seen twice. 2 times. DOS. In the entire set of gameplay footage we've looked at...knowing that in 2k13 we would've seen it 60 times by now easily.

but hey, what do I know? I'm just a guy who sees change, knows what to expect when A company has less than a year to update the new game, and is willing to give something a shot before throwing it in the incinerator. So let's all put the pitchforks and torches down for a second, and actually give the game a chance before storming the castle that is 2k headquarters.

i think this "cheese" thing is from chris smoove...and you know how many 13 year old chris smoove fanboys are on all the 2k forums

[adwin7]

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It seems to only be a big deal because smoove mentioned it. I had never heard anyone talk about beforre last week. I think if a guy forces a shot on good defense then he should take an off balance animation for his forced shot.

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[Eman5805]

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i think this "cheese" thing is from chris smoove...and you know how many 13 year old chris smoove fanboys are on all the 2k forums

I was coming in here to blame CS for all the people unable to think of things to call stuff they don't like in 2K besides "cheese."

It's only a problem when it happens after you're behind the defense and the animation would play out going away from the basket regardless of all your momentum or what hand is appropriate for that moment.

But the animation still existing is not a problem. Literally saw someone say they wouldn't buy the game because the layup was in it.

Friggin' children. I finally get all the old people shaking their head at my antics 10 years ago.

[ViolenceFight]

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It seems to only be a big deal because smoove mentioned it. I had never heard anyone talk about beforre last week. I think if a guy forces a shot on good defense then he should take an off balance animation for his forced shot.

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It's been mentioned multiple times on here since I signed up. It's always referred to "Leaning Layup/shot cheese". In fact it was one of the biggest complaints I've seen on here, but I never seem to see a reasoning behind it being so bad. I don't think I've ever seen the reason it's referred to as Cheese either.

Friggin' children. I finally get all the old people shaking their head at my antics 10 years ago.

....I know, right?

[Mouse]

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It seems to only be a big deal because smoove mentioned it. I had never heard anyone talk about beforre last week. I think if a guy forces a shot on good defense then he should take an off balance animation for his forced shot.

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almost every popular 2k youtuber mentioned it last year.

[MarvellousOne]

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that shot animation is quite ridiculous, in 2K13 you would seemingly be getting ready to do a whole different animation, then out of the blue the defender can force you into that animation, which is almost a guaranteed missed shot no matter what. I hope it's not trigger in the same manner as it was in 2K13, in the instance in the video it doesn't seem outlandish that the player would take that kind of shot. Just hope it's trigger once in a blue moon or in the correct situation and not how it was handled in 2K13 where it seemed more of a bailout animation for defenders who arrive late on defense.

[ViolenceFight]

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that shot animation is quite ridiculous, in 2K13 you would seemingly be getting ready to do a whole different animation, then out of the blue the defender can force you into that animation, which is almost a guaranteed miss shot no matter what. I hope it's not trigger in the same manner as it was in 2K13, in the instance in the video it doesn't seem outlandish that the player would take that kind of shot. Just hope it's trigger once in a blue moon or in the correct situation and not how it was handled in 2K13

Agreed. That was my point entirely in my rant. In most of these gameplays we've seen there have been multiple instances where that should've triggered(most notably some of the driving contact lay ups we've seen so far. in 2k13 almost all of those would've triggered that animation). I think people are blowing a gasket because the animation is there, but they don't stop to see that they seemingly have changed what triggers it.

It's not a bad animation. I haven't really seen it in real life since the early 90's, although I have seen it in the real NBA. If you ask me to dig up video, yeah, sorry but it's been a long while since I've seen it. If we're referring to it as cheese because it happens too much, well...that doesn't make it cheese. Cheese is generally considered something that gives you an advantage.

People used to refer to throws as Cheese in street fighter because it is unblockable. I remember being in the arcade seeing people do a 1-2, hop step, throw with ken all the time and would rage about it being cheap due to the fact that they thought block should block everything. Cheese is akin to the AK47u with grip and rapid fire in Black Ops one. It trumped every gun in the game at any range, save a lucky hip fire from a FAMAS or AUG, however you could also hip fire your AK74u and beat it.

A move that constantly occurs like that is bad coding, but it's not cheese. It doesn't give you or the defense a distinct advantage(As It can still end in a made shot). The Cheesiest things in 2k13 are the Leaner/Euro 3's(Due to the high success rate of them), and the spin move(Only because it can end in an unblockable dunk. The lay up that comes out of can be defended provided you wait until the end of the spinning animation to block).

[Hadlowe]

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smh what's up with all you people?? ya'll overreacting man... just calm down this ain't the same layup animation as it was in 2k13! LD2k also tweeted its rare so chill

The problem wasn't the animation. Ballers do similar moves in game.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ps3RgtlG7e0&t=02m25s

The problem in 2k13 was that the animation meant a 95% miss rate. It would trigger in bizarre situations. A lot of times, you would have a step on the defender, clear lane to the basket, but your layup animation slowed you down, so the defender got to your side and triggered the animation. Should have been a bucket, but instead you miss and you're locked into this lengthy recovery animation that meant you couldn't even fight for the offensive board.

You want to know why this triggered so often? Because rim defense in 2k13 was horrible. People complained that they were tired of getting blocked by elbows and knees in 2k12, so 2k13 made it harder to make contact with the ball on a contest around the rim, which would have led to 90% conversion rates on layup attempts. Instead, they toned down makes on layups by triggering contest animations, even when they were ridiculously out of place.

The two times I've seen the animation trigger in the 2k14 footage were appropriate. Rim defense is better in 2k14, but so is the animation choice when going for a layup. In the D-Will take that IKC complains about in the video, he had a defender directly in front of him, attempted a slight Eurostep and ended up leaning back to put the shot above the defender. That's exactly where it should be.

[rockchisler]

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Since this has been addressed by LD2K, Mods can we close this??