Formation Subs - Next Gen

[Purple28Pedestrian]

My way to counteract the autosubs and lack of the CPU to use the second or third RB was to user control all 32 teams and put certain RBs in certain formations such as

Pierre Thomas - starter
Sproles - all shotgun formations,

for some reason it won't carry these over from game to game, it resets them, anyone have any ideas?

[JayD]

Re: Formation Subs - Next Gen

Let's hope they are included next year

[raysanti]

Re: Formation Subs - Next Gen

Let's hope they are included next year

We've been saying that for a few years already. Let me know how that works out.

[JayD]

Re: Formation Subs - Next Gen

We've been saying that for a few years already. Let me know how that works out.

I really just see absolutely no reason for them to leave it out next year. I mean seriously does anyone over at EA watch today's NFL?

[tdogg097]

Re: Formation Subs - Next Gen

EA must wait the prescribed time period before they can add it back to the game as a new feature. I believe it's 5 years. Look for it in Madden 18.

[DNMHIII]

Re: Formation Subs - Next Gen

NCAA has had it for years along with a custom Playbook stystem that is designed way better and way more user friendly. It amazes me that EA can't even implement best practices and share features/technology across titles.

[SA1NT401]

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I really just see absolutely no reason for them to leave it out next year. I mean seriously does anyone over at EA watch today's NFL?

NO....nobody at EA actually watches football. I've been convinced of this since 05-06.

What to we expect from a team of developers who prefer arcade over sim.

[JaymeeAwesome]

Re: Formation Subs - Next Gen

NO....nobody at EA actually watches football. I've been convinced of this since 05-06.

What to we expect from a team of developers who prefer arcade over sim.

Please provide some facts that support this. Making accusations like this requires some facts behind it.

[Darth Aegis]

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Ya i really wish subs worked bummer

[Pvt_JOKER]

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I too wish for a preset formation sub. I tend to need to use a timeout so I can set my offense sub.


It can be so frustrating on defense to set your sub when your opponent quickly select his plays.

[Trick13]

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I still say that custom sub packages is the better feature - for users anyway.
On PS2, this was a feature that allowed you so much freedom and control - you could have packages that brought in your 3rd HB, with your 2nd QB, swap WR sides, extra OL at TE and put TE #2 in the slot - all in one "package".


At this point, formation subs is not enough...


And why the CPU never uses its backups is beyond my comprehension...but formation subs (even if they carry over from game to game) will only work for offline gamers...


@JaymeeAwesome - the facts are all over M25;


EA draft classes where every year multiple DTs have 84 or higher SPD
7'4" TEs, 6'7" 97 speed players - a WR @ 6'1" and 265 lbs, safeties and LBs with 65 speed, CBs with low 70s Speed
Default game play settings = no defense
XP progression
OTs still have no "kick slide" animation for wide pass rush
FG/PAT defense formation still has player lined up over the long snapper (TGTSNBN got that right over ten years ago)
Precision modifier!!!
Over accuracy of QBs- 33 for 36 with 3 INTs
Punts never bounce backwards (regardless of Punt Accuracy slider setting)
XP progression
No adaptive AI
Comeback/Deep out routes destroying every version of man coverage
Sluggos/Stop n Go/Out n Up routes look nothing like they do IRL
durability has zero impact on OVR despite real world indicators like Vick
KR Left/Right does not function properly
The only way to block a FG/PAT is a "cheat" code nano setup
No short yardage "scrum"
XP progression
terrible scheme implementation
Scouting without combine/ pro day numbers
The coach package system
And, in case I forgot to mention it, - XP progression


The "facts" as you say - well the proof is in the pudding...

[bucky60]

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Please provide some facts that support this. Making accusations like this requires some facts behind it.

Whether they watch football or not, they still develop for arcade and not sim or realism, both on and off the field. The FACT is staring right at us in the game itself. XP Goals for progression?

[Hooe]

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There's a lot of chatter in this topic that doesn't deal with formation subs that needs to stop.

The general trend in this forum of derailing every thread with an enumerated list of every perceived flaw of Madden NFL as a football simulation in every thread also needs to stop.

Stay on topic, please. Thanks.

[Senator Palmer]

Re: Formation Subs - Next Gen

I still say that custom sub packages is the better feature - for users anyway.
On PS2, this was a feature that allowed you so much freedom and control - you could have packages that brought in your 3rd HB, with your 2nd QB, swap WR sides, extra OL at TE and put TE #2 in the slot - all in one "package".


At this point, formation subs is not enough...

Here, here... wish I could like this post twice. Been saying this for years; we're way pass formation subs. It's got to be custom packages at this point; formation subs are way too limiting. With custom packages you can really unleash your creativity and build your roster towards more specialization -- which is where the NFL is at this point -- if you've got a tweener LB with pass rush skills, you can create a kind of elephant package for him. You got a Red Bryant who is strictly a run stopper, you can create that package. You've got a Brandon Jacobs/Jerome Bettis kind of back that you only want to use in short yardage or around the goal line, there you go.

[Hooe]

Re: Formation Subs - Next Gen

Put me in the custom personnel packages crowd as well.

They took a step towards this last year with a personnel package step in the play calling interface. Hopefully the game take the next logical step forward to this end.