An appeal to the company that produces this game. Take the rosters to ZERO

**Rotatingkitchen** · 12-07-2013, 01:46 PM

Re: An appeal to the company that produces this game. Take the rosters to ZERO

Couldn't agree more. i made a thread about this a few days ago and one guy commented about the 2k insider: "He is about an Insider as sitting outside at the beach". that single sentence describes the whole opinion of the whole community pretty much.

2K should just give that Rashidi guy a job and make him in charge of everything to do with rosters.

On a side note about speed - the differences in speed ratings need to be made larger. EG lets say that right now a difference of 5 means that you're 10% faster, it should actually be 20% faster (dummy numbers) because it's ridiculous how bigs keep up with some of the fastest PGs on fastbreaks and how players like Westbrook can't easily blow-by bigs during a mismatch.

But i hope you enjoyed venting because 2k is never going to listen us. even if we were to tweetbomb ronnie 2k he would churn out another one of his generic responses from his list. They need to be humbled first(ie drop in sales) . Just in general terms i believe 2k11 was the last really good sim basketball experience and they've really started to cater to casual gamers a bit too heavily i think and have forgotten what the sim gamers care about (eg rosters, playbooks, customization options). It came out the year NBA live really died out. We need at least 2 competitors so we don't have to continue to deal with this BS

**doctorhay53** · 12-07-2013, 02:22 PM

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This is a problem of having a bunch of computer programmers and no statisticians or mathematicians or physicists making the game.

All you need is one and he'll say "we're doing all the player ratings and tendencies off of advanced metrics" and then it would get done properly. Until then, it's pretty much just whatever the perception or raw numbers say.

**Kaanyr Vhok** · 12-07-2013, 02:37 PM

Re: An appeal to the company that produces this game. Take the rosters to ZERO

Originally posted by Rotatingkitchen

On a side note about speed - the differences in speed ratings need to be made larger. EG lets say that right now a difference of 5 means that you're 10% faster, it should actually be 20% faster (dummy numbers) because it's ridiculous how bigs keep up with some of the fastest PGs on fastbreaks and how players like Westbrook can't easily blow-by bigs during a mismatch.

I disagree to a point. The slowest player and the fastest player irl are barely more than 20% apart at full speed. The takeoffs and change of directions vary more but top speed is fairly uniform so 5 points altering 10% is way too much and Im glad they reduced it. Before they reduced it, Joel Pryzbilla ran like an old man; not getting back on defense and never getting trail rebounds in 2k6. Then in 2k7 they gave bigs catchup speed to make up for their slowness and everyone said they were too fast.

Reducing the difference was a step in the right direction and some bigs should be able to keep up with Westbrook because the moment he slows down to slightly to move around someone is all they need to gain stride. This is why one man fastbreaks happen 0-5 times a game in real life. I reduced Lillard to 85 and I still mash by a few in fastbreaks yet I still know what you are talking about.

The physical interaction with a faster player and a slower player or even quicker and less quick sorta breaks down in the AI and animations. Not enough involuntary blocking calls when you run into guys who arent set but then that could make for a nasty exploit. CH 2k8 actually got some of this right and NBA 2k7 had occasional blocking calls. CH 2k8 was the one game that let you run the baseline like Nash. The defense avoided blocking contact while still hovering to block the shot. You need that avoidance in the AI along with the ability to beat it and draw a relative amount of blocking calls.

Those are the AI tweaks you need to make it work. Increasing the difference in speed will just take us back to 2k6. Dont expect to ever see anything like this again. You hardly ever see it now. Actually you would never see it now. Faverani is barely fast enough and probably doesnt have the dunk ratings (at least with sim sliders) for it.

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But i hope you enjoyed venting because 2k is never going to listen us. even if we were to tweetbomb ronnie 2k he would churn out another one of his generic responses from his list. They need to be humbled first(ie drop in sales) . Just in general terms i believe 2k11 was the last really good sim basketball experience and they've really started to cater to casual gamers a bit too heavily i think and have forgotten what the sim gamers care about (eg rosters, playbooks, customization options). It came out the year NBA live really died out. We need at least 2 competitors so we don't have to continue to deal with this BS

I dont know. I feel the listened after my videos comparing CH 2k8 to NBA 2k9. Everything I touched on in those videos were addressed by 2k11 though some of it was undone by the poor presentation, explanation and removal of defensive settings.

Do they need competition from an outside source? People can strive to be better than they were or better than the fans could imagine. Too many of VCs former mistakes were in response to NBA Live. What has competition done for EA but curled them into a fetal position?

**Rotatingkitchen** · 12-07-2013, 02:45 PM

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EA were curled into a fetal position because they were constantly trying to screw over the consumer and it bit them HEAVILY. competition is good for all products. do you think the ps4 would be as good as it is if the xbone didn't exist and vice versa? Do you notice how VC creeped into the game in 2k13 (a year when NBA live wasn't around)?

i still think big men should be less agile at the very least if they aren't going to be made slower

**RangersCruz** · 12-07-2013, 02:49 PM

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Not trolling nor do i disagree but What i took from this thread.

1.Blazers are the best team?..yeah....

2.Lopez is comparable to Noah when it comes to passing
3.All Blazer's players should be boosted
4.No other team exists in basketball.

**Slater James** · 12-07-2013, 02:55 PM

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This thread deserves to remain atop the board. So many of the "glitches" in this game are just a product of a garbage effort on the rosters. There is no long any excuse.

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**Kaanyr Vhok** · 12-07-2013, 03:54 PM

Re: An appeal to the company that produces this game. Take the rosters to ZERO

Originally posted by RangersCruz

Not trolling nor do i disagree but What i took from this thread.

1.Blazers are the best team?..yeah....

2.Lopez is comparable to Noah when it comes to passing
3.All Blazer's players should be boosted
4.No other team exists in basketball.

1. Yes. I wish it was April but it is what it is. They have the second best record and beat the Spurs, Pacers, Warriors and Thunder. Right now they are the best team in the league.

2. Never said that but he out rebounded Noah something like 15 to 3 when they faced the Bulls. Heck of a game for a guy who is almost ranked 300th in the league

3. Never said that. In fact I said I said pretty much the opposite. Every player should be taken to 0. I have a major problem when the Trail Blazers are boosted from 23rd to 6th as a team but the ratings and player rankings barely change. That seems like I load of BS to me. I also mentioned that Lillard was overrated so I dont know where you came to that conclusion.

4. None that I know as well so its easier to speak on whats wrong but i lets face it the rosters are so bad I could ignore the Trail Blazers. Billups being rated higher than Beverly is worse than any overall rating on the Trail Blazers but then I dont care that much about overall ratings. Like I said with Lillard if you were to give him honest ratings his overall would decrease.

**RangersCruz** · 12-07-2013, 04:04 PM

Re: An appeal to the company that produces this game. Take the rosters to ZERO

Originally posted by Kaanyr Vhok

1. Yes. I wish it was April but it is what it is. They have the second best record and beat the Spurs, Pacers, Warriors and Thunder. Right now they are the best team in the league.

2. Never said that but he out rebounded Noah something like 15 to 3 when they faced the Bulls. Heck of a game for a guy who is almost ranked 300th in the league

3. Never said that. In fact I said I said pretty much the opposite. Every player should be taken to 0. I have a major problem when the Trail Blazers are boosted from 23rd to 6th as a team but the ratings and player rankings barely change. That seems like I load of BS to me. I also mentioned that Lillard was overrated so I dont know where you came to that conclusion.

4. None that I know as well so its easier to speak on whats wrong but i lets face it the rosters are so bad I could ignore the Trail Blazers. Billups being rated higher than Beverly is worse than any overall rating on the Trail Blazers but then I dont care that much about overall ratings. Like I said with Lillard if you were to give him honest ratings his overall would decrease.

I personally don't look at Overall ratings anymore they mean nothing but i don't see whats wrong with Billups being rated higher then a Beverly who really has not done much

**Epheles** · 12-07-2013, 04:30 PM

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For years blake griffin had a midrange of mid 80s and Manu's was only like a 68. it's probably still the same way I haven't checked. Some of the ratings don't make sense at all it's been like this for awhile. I was hoping the new roster ratings thing they were advertising would change things but of course it was another one of 2k's gimmicks said out loud just for advertising purposes to appeal to casuals players.

And the blazers have had a good start to the year but it's early man, they are not the best team in basketball, don't homer your hometeam so hard

**TheRealHST** · 12-07-2013, 05:35 PM

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Excellent thread. Again other OP who should be hired by 2k

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**FloorGeneral** · 12-07-2013, 05:53 PM

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Call him a homer all you want, but have any of you actually WATCHED Portland play this year? I've watched them in plenty of games (they've become a "Must Watch" team for me), and they're good. Damn good. We're about a 1/4th of the way into the season, which is more than enough time to judge a team. It's not like it's a 5 or 10 game split. And (aside from the Heat) they've beaten all of the other teams that you could say are better (Spurs, Pacers, Thunder, at Golden St.). Whether they maintain it for an 82 game + playoffs schedule has zero bearing at this point in time. Right now, they're legit. Period.

That said, the bigger point of this thread remains valid: the ratings are clearly very poorly done. We'll always get accused of whining and complaining by some folks, but the fact of the matter, is the ratings (AND TENDENCIES) seem to be done at the hands of...well, I'm not one to insult ppl, but, let's just say that they're pretty clueless when it comes to the game of basketball. It's pretty frustrating that we have to endure such ineptness year after year. Hopefully one of these years they actually put some real effort into getting this thing right.

**Sundown** · 12-07-2013, 06:24 PM

Re: An appeal to the company that produces this game. Take the rosters to ZERO

Originally posted by Kaanyr Vhok

1. Yes. I wish it was April but it is what it is. They have the second best record and beat the Spurs, Pacers, Warriors and Thunder. Right now they are the best team in the league.

That's not how it works. Blazers have a great group and no injuries while playing their starters extended minutes. It doesn't mean they're the best team and that all their players should be ranked better than everyone else collectively.

This is why we play a full season. A healthy Warriors squad would be just as nasty as the Blazers starters if not more so. The Blazers haven't faced that squad yet. I do think they're legit however.

I'm all for properly rating players so they play correctly while accounting for the fact that some may just be on a hot streak an will regress to the mean.

And for what it's worth, I also think it's silly that Klay Thompson has a 90 for three point shooting and is above Steph just because Iggy and Steph can create a ton of open looks for him. He's improved but no way is he better than Steph.

**STLRams** · 12-07-2013, 08:30 PM

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2K maybe needs to start from scratch with there roster update. It seems like they believe by giving a players on good teams attribute boost then that team should play good. The blazers are one of the best teams right now, but if 2k doesn't have the team PLAYING like the real life Blazers then the roster updates are not reflecting the teams/players properly. They also need to thoroughly update players tendencies, hotspots and teams play styles also and make sure the teams are really playing true to life. Going through the roster there are so many players with hotspot locations and tendencies that don't make any sense, I won't even talk about the attributes... I was really hopeful 2K was using the STATs inc instead of the 2Kinsider....

**RangersCruz** · 12-07-2013, 08:50 PM

Re: An appeal to the company that produces this game. Take the rosters to ZERO

Originally posted by STLRams

2K maybe needs to start from scratch with there roster update. It seems like they believe by giving a players on good teams attribute boost then that team should play good. The blazers are one of the best teams right now, but if 2k doesn't have the team PLAYING like the real life Blazers then the roster updates are not reflecting the teams/players properly. They also need to thoroughly update players tendencies, hotspots and teams play styles also and make sure the teams are really playing true to life. Going through the roster there are so many players with hotspot locations and tendencies that don't make any sense, I won't even talk about the attributes... I was really hopeful 2K was using the STATs inc instead of the 2Kinsider....

That would be a lot of work for them

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