Throwing the deep ball

[Starter]

We all know the situation:

You get a single high safety look pre snap and the CB is walked up in press man against your stup 92+ speed receiver. You hot route to send him deep. Post snap the WR has a step on the WR. You throw the ball and lead the receiver. The ball is underthrown.

Is there a way to overthrow the receiver?

[prd689]

Re: Throwing the deep ball

We all know the situation:

You get a single high safety look pre snap and the CB is walked up in press man against your stup 92+ speed receiver. You hot route to send him deep. Post snap the WR has a step on the WR. You throw the ball and lead the receiver. The ball is underthrown.

Is there a way to overthrow the receiver?

Yes. Either with a stiff wind at your back or slightly pressing up on the left stick. Push the throw button down and right before he releases the ball let up on it. You'll bomb some throws.

[canesfins]

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We all know the situation:

You get a single high safety look pre snap and the CB is walked up in press man against your stup 92+ speed receiver. You hot route to send him deep. Post snap the WR has a step on the WR. You throw the ball and lead the receiver. The ball is underthrown.

Is there a way to overthrow the receiver?

I overthrown a deep wr many times, sometimes by 20 yards it seems, Then again I play with my user accuracy at 0-5. My problem isn't underthrowing it, but the wr getting separating from the cb. Seems like even when I have a 99 overall receiver with great speed, he struggles to get a few strides in front on the deep ball every time.

[jello1717]

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With user QBA @ 5 I sail the ball long a LOT of times on streaks. It's frustrating to have a WR with 5 yards on the only defender in the area only to launch it 15+ yards beyond the WR. That said, I hit my WR more often than I'll air mail it. I don't know that I ever throw it short, but when I have WR with a few steps on the defender I lead him down the field so that's why I don't throw it short.

[jbrew2411]

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I have been playing lately on default Heisman level where I have noticed a number of underthrown deep balls even with QB's who have 90+ THP ratings. After playing an entire season on default (THA slider at 50)I decided to go back to my old slider set. I have the THA slider set at 15 on All-American where I'm now seeing those deep balls find their target more often verses the ball underthrown by 5 yards or flat. Very seldom do I used the right stick if my guy has a couple of steps but with the slider at 50 I was using it every deep throw to still see it underthrown. I'm seeing similar results as "Canesfin" and "Jello" with a lower slider setting so check your sliders.

[coyotedelmar]

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The sliders I'm using has QBA at 5 I believe, I'll check later and edit/post if not. But I've only had problems with deep balls sailing if the QB isn't "in rhythm," yet. Which gets a bit annoying, as a 90+ accuracy QB can't lead a pass worth a damn until quite a few throws or yards (haven't figured out which yet), and bugs me. Granted I also loft the ball so that might make a difference (usually only throw bullets on a deep route if it is within the first 10-15 yards, generally the slot guy getting open between zones.)

[jello1717]

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The sliders I'm using has QBA at 5 I believe, I'll check later and edit/post if not. But I've only had problems with deep balls sailing if the QB isn't "in rhythm," yet. Which gets a bit annoying, as a 90+ accuracy QB can't lead a pass worth a damn until quite a few throws or yards (haven't figured out which yet), and bugs me. Granted I also loft the ball so that might make a difference (usually only throw bullets on a deep route if it is within the first 10-15 yards, generally the slot guy getting open between zones.)

This is how it is for me too. With 5 QBA my QB is pretty incapable of throwing the ball where I want (I've had him throw bubble screens, which should of course be behind the LOS, 10 yards down field before) until he's warm (yellow). Once he's warm or hot (red) or on fire (pulsing red) he throws it where I want, but when he's neutral (grey) or heaven forbid cool or cold (blue) he's very inaccurate.

I accept this whole heartedly because even with QBA on 10 my QB throws the ball exactly where I want roughly 95% of the time (which for the 90+ SPD scramblers I recruit isn't realistic). It usually means that my first drive or two feature a lot of options and screens to get my QB in rhythm. The bane of my existence is 3rd and med/long (even 3rd and 5 or 6 is brutal) because I know there's a very slim chance that my QB can complete the pass until he's warmed up.

[hazey]

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I'm digging this up because I am having issues throwing deep.

Anyone who is good at throwing deep (particularly against users) - is their a technique to it? It isn't just having a QB with high throwing power is it - because like what has been said, I am still underthrowing those?

Is their a time in the pattern when it is too late to throw the deep ball and it will be underthrown regardless of attributes?

Is their a technique to it (like what prd689 said)?

I understand lead pass and touch/bullet throws, but I cannot overthrow a deep ball either.

[mcbrideluo]

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I hit my WR more often than I'll air mail it.

[barsoffury]

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I'm digging this up because I am having issues throwing deep.

Anyone who is good at throwing deep (particularly against users) - is their a technique to it? It isn't just having a QB with high throwing power is it - because like what has been said, I am still underthrowing those?

Is their a time in the pattern when it is too late to throw the deep ball and it will be underthrown regardless of attributes?

Is their a technique to it (like what prd689 said)?

I understand lead pass and touch/bullet throws, but I cannot overthrow a deep ball either.

The best way to achieve a good deep ball is to lower QB accuracy slider down to either 5 or maybe 10. This way you'll be sure to see the QB lead a receiver by several yards. Not always but sometimes.... Also I find with the lower accuracy it leads to more diving, jumping catches.

[conception]

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My offense is geared towards throwing the long ball. I sub my fastest receivers outside with a set of solid hands inside (frequently four wide sets), and when I notice my guys get a stride on their defender I know that by the time the ball gets there they will have more than enough steps needed. I play on QBA 5 and I always get my QB warmed up throwing sticks and slants before I go for the big gains. I can either throw it over the top (loft) or throw a 10-15 yard streak when the CB lets go but before the safety picks it up.

[hazey]

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I cant change sliders unfortunately - playing in a league with other users. One of the guys absolutely kills me with the deep ball, he throws it with perfection and i cannot stop it.

I run a very quick passing short passing oriented scheme that is hard to stop and works, but he is starting to bring everyone in the box and press coverage and i cannot get the long ball working at all to open that back up. There must be a way on default sliders because he is killing me with it on offense.

[jello1717]

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I cant change sliders unfortunately - playing in a league with other users. One of the guys absolutely kills me with the deep ball, he throws it with perfection and i cannot stop it.

I run a very quick passing short passing oriented scheme that is hard to stop and works, but he is starting to bring everyone in the box and press coverage and i cannot get the long ball working at all to open that back up. There must be a way on default sliders because he is killing me with it on offense.

You should be able to destroy him if he does that. Against press coverage (especially with no safety help) is by far the easiest way to complete the deep ball. Have your outside guys running streaks. Find which of his corners are weak against press and have that be your 1st read. If that CB's jam is beaten, simply throw that receiver the deep ball (lead him by pushing up on the stick).

[hazey]

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Is there a timing with leading him? Do i want to press up before i throw (and hold it down) or do i want to press up as i throw - do i bullet pass or tap pass or between? I think thats my issue is i am not leading them correctly, because i try to but i cant seem to work it correctly

[jello1717]

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Is there a timing with leading him? Do i want to press up before i throw (and hold it down) or do i want to press up as i throw - do i bullet pass or tap pass or between? I think thats my issue is i am not leading them correctly, because i try to but i cant seem to work it correctly

Yes, you do it before throwing it and you hold the stick up. You'll obviously want to hold up right before throwing it since it's the same stick that moves your QB so if you hold up way before throwing your QB will step up in the pocket.

Whether you bullet or lob it mainly depends on the safety, but also depends on the corner. If there's no safety, chuck it deep and let the WR go get it. If there's a safety coming over then you'll wanna fire it in there or else the safety will try to go get it along with the WR. But, if you need to throw a bullet, you also need to watch the corner because he could easily pick it off underneath too.