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  • PGaither84
    MVP
    • Mar 2009
    • 4393

    #1

    Rate this trade! 49ers & Hawks

    In a "for fun" franchise [CCM] I traded Aldon Smith, that year's second round pick and next years 1st for Richard Sherman and a 3rd.

    Now, player for palyer trades and star trades are not that common, but the idea was that the 49ers are loaded at LB and have Corey Lemonier who has been a beast for me in Madden while Aldon Smith was buried in the depth chart in play now for his DUI problems. The Hawks are loaded in the secondary. The 49ers secondary is a bit suspect. I like T. Brown in real life and he has a nice 89 man coverage rating. There is also the rookie Eric Reed at FS. Also #3 CB Brock has been coming into his own in real life and has earned a respectable 87 man coverage in the most recent roster update.

    The Hawks, on the other hand are also a "complete defense" but don't really have a STAR in their front 7. They have a very talented front 7, but their best player is a 91 DT. He is surrounded by two 88 and 87 defesive ends, an 88 MLB, an 86 ROLB and an 79 LOLB.

    I think tihs fictional trade would help both teams, and to be honest, in Madden, I don't "feel" Aldon SMith contributing from the blitzing OLB role very much.

    Finally, Sherman wears 25 in seattle, but Brown wears 25 in SF. At Stanford Sherman wore 9, but star FS Earl Thomas wears 29 for the L.O.B. So, I was thinking of changing the number of under performer Culliver to something else and giving Sherman the 29 I think he would have wanted.
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  • NDAlum
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    • Jun 2010
    • 11453

    #2
    Re: Rate this trade! 49ers & Hawks

    You take away their best young CB and don't state their CB situation. Pretty sure he is there only young CB. Browner is a little older and Thurmond is the slot IIRC.

    So Browner moves to 1 and Thurmond to 2? Boy did that secondary just take a hit. Plus the trade is between division rivals.

    I do it all day if I'm SF, never if I'm SEA.


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    • josefrees
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      • Sep 2012
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      #3
      Re: Rate this trade! 49ers & Hawks

      You forgot about Byron maxwell

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      • NDAlum
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        • Jun 2010
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        #4
        Re: Rate this trade! 49ers & Hawks

        Still that's a huge drop off IMO. Plus Seattle already has a solid front 7. Why eliminate a player who enables the front 7 to be that much better?


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        • PGaither84
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          • Mar 2009
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          #5
          Re: Rate this trade! 49ers & Hawks

          Originally posted by NDAlum
          You take away their best young CB and don't state their CB situation. Pretty sure he is there only young CB. Browner is a little older and Thurmond is the slot IIRC.

          So Browner moves to 1 and Thurmond to 2? Boy did that secondary just take a hit. Plus the trade is between division rivals.

          I do it all day if I'm SF, never if I'm SEA.


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          Kam Chancellor - 25 years old 94 OVR Strong Safety with 94 hit power

          Earl Thomas - 24 years old 94 OVR Fee Safety with 92 Zone Coverage

          Browner - 29 years old 90 OVR with 95 zone and 93 press

          Byron Maxwell - 24 years old 82 OVR with 90 zone coverage and 88 press.

          Walter Thurmond III [a.k.a "3" by his teammates] in 26 and the weakest of he "starters" as a 78 OVR. with only 81 zone and 87 man coverage.

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          Browner is the only "old" player on their team and he is 29. They are stil stacked in the secondary.

          Still that's a huge drop off IMO. Plus Seattle already has a solid front 7. Why eliminate a player who enables the front 7 to be that much better?
          Do you really think you get to make the argument that they "already have a solid front 7" but think that having the secondary I mentioned would "take a huge hit"? How would adding a 99 OVR LB not improve that front 7 a lot?

          Alson brings 93 tackle, 90 hit power [causes fumbles] 99 power moves, 89 finesse moves [he can do it all] and 88 block shedding [to stuff the run his side]

          Compare that to their starter K.J. Wright with his 93 tackle [a wash there] 85 hit power [5 point improvement and the difference between 85 and 90 is huge in terms of causing fumbles with user/computer controlled hit sticks] 77 power moves & 64 finesse moves [he will never be a pass rusher] and 77 block shedding [which means he won't help much in the run game either. Oh, and his 81 speed/87 acceleration compared to Aldon's 85 speed and 97 acceleration.

          I actually like their 79 LOLB Bruce Irvin a bit better by the numbers with his 90 speed/94 acceleration, and 95 power moves. however, his 77 tackle, and 69 block shedding leave much to be desired. he does have a decent 85 hit power but with 77 tackle I think players will bounce off of him more often than not. i don't use the Hawks, so I am not sure.

          The opposite argument can also be made about the 49ers. They drafted Aldon to be the much need pass rusher so they could drop 8 into coverage and only rush with 4.

          I picked Aldon to send to the Hawks to try and make it a "fair" trade and fun division rivalry move. honestly, I am afraid that neither player has that much on an impact on the video game, and that's why I relly made the trade. I have never used an "elite" CB before, and I know how little Aldon has done for me in the past thanks to Madden's aniamtions and interactions with the ROLB/RE. At the same time I don't really fear Sherman when passing against the Hawks in play now and don't think that Man coverage is very good in the 360. I hear it is better on the XB1 and PS4, but I wouldn't know.
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          • x_NBA_x
            Pro
            • Nov 2008
            • 665

            #6
            Re: Rate this trade! 49ers & Hawks

            I understand it's your CFM but you have asked for a rating on this trade so I shall be honest with you..

            It stinks for the Seahawks, Aldon Smith is a pass rushing LB. The Seahawks don't run a 3-4 so they have adequate cover with Irvin (Smith light). They give up their star #1 CB and it now depletes their depth at the position, as Browner now will cover #1 which he isn't that great and so forth.

            The increase in linebacker to the decrease in cornerbacks/depth means that the trade does favor the 49ers.

            However, it is your CFM and you want it to be different so that is understandable and if you can live with playing it through and enjoying it then continue to do so (I'm contemplating the trade of Aaron Rodgers out of Cheesetown, he is too expensive and I can really build a better team with a mediocre QB like Foles). Maybe give them an 80+ rated CB to level it out?

            I'd rate it 5/10 for the Seahawks and 7/10 for the 49ers. As Smith is a sack beast on this game when ever I've used the 49ers..
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            • nl15
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              • Jul 2010
              • 841

              #7
              Re: Rate this trade! 49ers & Hawks

              49ers definitely rip them off. They gave up a guy that has battled with off the field issues for well, the best corner in the league. Plus this trade would not happen in a million years. Never would the Seahawks and 49ers, bitter rivals make a trade like this.
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              • Ampking101
                Pro
                • Sep 2011
                • 724

                #8
                Re: Rate this trade! 49ers & Hawks

                I'm taking it that this trade is within the first year. If so yeah I gotta agree. If we are talking about a realistic sense, this is completely stacked in the 9ers favor.

                Sherman is considered one of the best corners in the league and he is getting paid pennies right now.

                Looking at Aldon yes he is a great LB but he has a huge contract day coming up and add to the fact that the hawks have a very strong front 7 already, I don't feel Aldon makes near the same impact on their team that sherman would on the 9ers.

                Now the 1st and 2nd rounders help slightly but chances are its going to be a very late 1st rounder. Add on the fact that the Raiders traded two 1st rounders for Carson Palmer. The Redskins traded three 1st rounders for an unproven RG3. So a late 1st rounder and a late 2nd for a proven guy like Sherman makes it a bit less even.

                If you dig the trade more power to you but as far as what I would rate it.

                Seahawks - 5/10
                49ers - 11/10

                Edit: The only reason I mention the big payday for Aldon is chances are he sees FA within the next few seasons where as they would hold on to Sherman much longer (especially with the cpu logic).
                Last edited by Ampking101; 02-07-2014, 05:24 PM.

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                • PGaither84
                  MVP
                  • Mar 2009
                  • 4393

                  #9
                  Re: Rate this trade! 49ers & Hawks

                  Those are the kind of answers I was looking for. Thanks everyone. I figured it was lop sided, but I wanted to hear that from others. [not, oh, Sherman is young. Um the Hawks secondary is stacked and young outside of Browner, whom I thought was 27. Not 29]

                  This is mostly just a "for fun" CCM where I want to see what an elite DB is like. In part so I know if throwing money at one in Free Agency or trading up to draft a top prospect is worth it.

                  Okay... another question... is there anyone else who might be a sleeper that is worth fleecing another team for? For example, when NE took Welker from the Dolphins.
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                  • preaceps
                    Rookie
                    • Nov 2012
                    • 248

                    #10
                    Re: Rate this trade! 49ers & Hawks

                    I think swapping browner for sherman and you would be a lot closer to even me thinks

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                    • Ampking101
                      Pro
                      • Sep 2011
                      • 724

                      #11
                      Re: Rate this trade! 49ers & Hawks

                      Originally posted by PGaither84
                      Those are the kind of answers I was looking for. Thanks everyone. I figured it was lop sided, but I wanted to hear that from others. [not, oh, Sherman is young. Um the Hawks secondary is stacked and young outside of Browner, whom I thought was 27. Not 29]

                      This is mostly just a "for fun" CCM where I want to see what an elite DB is like. In part so I know if throwing money at one in Free Agency or trading up to draft a top prospect is worth it.

                      Okay... another question... is there anyone else who might be a sleeper that is worth fleecing another team for? For example, when NE took Welker from the Dolphins.

                      An elite CB makes a world of difference in the right Scheme. I have Joe Haden in a Browns franchise I'm doing (with Jarrods Black Sliders) and at 31 years old he has broken the season interception record with 17 and am 2 interceptions short of the career interception record. So an elite CB really can make a huge impact over the life of his career.

                      As for some sleepers. Some I can think of off the top of my head.....

                      Wr Travis Benjamin - Browns
                      Super fast, pretty great hands and can easily be a #2 wr off the back. Throw him at kick returner and he can stretch the field on almost any play.

                      Wr Darius Johnson - Falcons
                      This guy needs a little work but he makes huge plays when your top guys fail to deliver. I usually use him as a slot guy. Only downside is his speed is a little slower than most like.

                      Hb Andre Ellington - Cardinals
                      Speed and elusiveness explain this guy in droves. I've run him up the middle and either side and he makes huge plays.

                      Hb Lance Dunbar - Cowboys
                      Same as above.

                      Cb Patrick Robinson - Saints
                      I don't think you'll need another CB but I always get this guy off the trade block. He makes an impact in the Nickle right of the bat, build him over a year or two and he easily becomes a 90+ overall beast.

                      I'll add more as they come to me.

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                      • PGaither84
                        MVP
                        • Mar 2009
                        • 4393

                        #12
                        Re: Rate this trade! 49ers & Hawks

                        Specifically looking for CB's, but any position helps. Any tips on what to look for when scouting? I used the Madden 25 draft guide but avoided looking at names just to see what the numbers looked like. Aside from a funny Leon Sandcastle in one draft though, none of the numbers looked impressive for rookies. I don't want to ruin my drats by "knowing" who all the good player are, but in all my scouting in various offlien CCM I started and simulated, no one stood out as special. Not even the top picks.

                        I just feel that CCM was designed ONLY for 32 man online play where everyone uses practice each week to get XP. It jsut feels like the league falls falt after a few years of computer control because they don't get enough XP to really progress, and/or they dump it on worthless attributes.
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                        • Ampking101
                          Pro
                          • Sep 2011
                          • 724

                          #13
                          Re: Rate this trade! 49ers & Hawks

                          Originally posted by PGaither84
                          Specifically looking for CB's, but any position helps. Any tips on what to look for when scouting? I used the Madden 25 draft guide but avoided looking at names just to see what the numbers looked like. Aside from a funny Leon Sandcastle in one draft though, none of the numbers looked impressive for rookies. I don't want to ruin my drats by "knowing" who all the good player are, but in all my scouting in various offlien CCM I started and simulated, no one stood out as special. Not even the top picks.

                          I just feel that CCM was designed ONLY for 32 man online play where everyone uses practice each week to get XP. It jsut feels like the league falls falt after a few years of computer control because they don't get enough XP to really progress, and/or they dump it on worthless attributes.

                          As for scouting all I can say is look at the stats that matter to you. Like for me I look for.....

                          Qb - Thp, tha, short, medium, deep
                          Hb - Elu, Trk, agi, spd, carry, cth
                          Cb (Safety) - Awr, prc, man, zone, tckl, hpw, cth

                          Eventually a few guys will shine through. None are going to be the most amazing player you've ever seen but with some work, some of these guys can be 95+ in a year or two even late round guys.

                          As far as keeping the cpu fresh I run with Jarrods Black Set Sliders (though slightly modified for my level of play). I do not do practices since the cpu doesn't (some people do practice during pre-season and bye week). Also always leave player progression at end of season (this is only for the cpu, you can progress your players whenever) this keeps it so you'll see cpu players progress pretty well.

                          Oh we also always use gameflow as well to pick the plays so that it gives the cpu an even better chance to give you pretty good games. I've lost by more than 30, won by more than 40, and had games range all the way between. So that would be my biggest advice.

                          As for other CB players I generally only use the trade block to trade (to keep things fair for the cpu) but I can think of a few more will let you know when I do.

                          Cb Corey White - Saints
                          Dude is a monster hitter. I generally like him in a safety position because he thrives there due to his ability to hit and cover but he is a great player to build.

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                          • PGaither84
                            MVP
                            • Mar 2009
                            • 4393

                            #14
                            Re: Rate this trade! 49ers & Hawks

                            So you are getting good XP and progression without practice and for computer teams? I am using RG3MVP's set and am enjoying it so far.

                            I beat the Broncos in the pre season 21-7 and my back ups got crushed by KC like43-14 because my back ups were so terrible. They couldn't tackle, block shed, catch, get open, throw a catchable ball half the time, or run block with any consistency. On defense only MLB #57, OLB Corey Lemonier and DE/DT Tank Carradine did anything. 3/11 players isn't good enough.

                            I do see ratings matter for sure in that way. I didn't really get to use Sherman in either game that much to see any impact. that is a big goal of this CCM to see for myself for a more serious CCM later on. I haven't really been playing Madden 25 that much through the regular season. I have been playing Battlefield 3 and BF4 with my friends.
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                            • ForUntoOblivionSoar∞
                              MVP
                              • Dec 2009
                              • 4682

                              #15
                              Re: Rate this trade! 49ers & Hawks

                              Originally posted by PGaither84
                              In a "for fun" franchise [CCM] I traded Aldon Smith, that year's second round pick and next years 1st for Richard Sherman and a 3rd.

                              Now, player for palyer trades and star trades are not that common, but the idea was that the 49ers are loaded at LB and have Corey Lemonier who has been a beast for me in Madden while Aldon Smith was buried in the depth chart in play now for his DUI problems. The Hawks are loaded in the secondary. The 49ers secondary is a bit suspect. I like T. Brown in real life and he has a nice 89 man coverage rating. There is also the rookie Eric Reed at FS. Also #3 CB Brock has been coming into his own in real life and has earned a respectable 87 man coverage in the most recent roster update.

                              The Hawks, on the other hand are also a "complete defense" but don't really have a STAR in their front 7. They have a very talented front 7, but their best player is a 91 DT. He is surrounded by two 88 and 87 defesive ends, an 88 MLB, an 86 ROLB and an 79 LOLB.

                              I think tihs fictional trade would help both teams, and to be honest, in Madden, I don't "feel" Aldon SMith contributing from the blitzing OLB role very much.

                              Finally, Sherman wears 25 in seattle, but Brown wears 25 in SF. At Stanford Sherman wore 9, but star FS Earl Thomas wears 29 for the L.O.B. So, I was thinking of changing the number of under performer Culliver to something else and giving Sherman the 29 I think he would have wanted.
                              I feel it's a ludicrous trade, but if you want to do it to enjoy your franchise, more power to you.
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