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  • Gnemi
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    • Jan 2012
    • 1519

    #1

    Gnemi's FIFA 2015 House of Hybrid | Career Mode Sliders

    These sliders are based mostly on the excellent research Matt poured into his slider experiments. I, again, want to advance a house rule for Career Mode if your skills are not quite up to scratch or you want to enjoy a bit of homefield advantage "realism". Use Professional difficulty for HOME fixtures, use World Class for AWAY fixtures, or some variation on that theme. It makes the game pretty rich. For neutral fixtures, e.g. cup finals, use the harder difficulty.

    Professional is now a fairly excellent alternative to World Class, but I still recommend World Class as the default. Legendary is silly and filled with cheating CPU gimmickry, but I digress.

    One final note: Another reason for my posting these sliders is based on the 10 minute halves limitation. I played 15 minute halves last year and found it equal parts immersive and exhausting. I don't have the time or patience this year for that. Hence, my decision to use Matt's sliders as a foundation, with a few tweaks to open the game up a bit and compensate for my not-quite-ninja skills. I don't use finishing moves / street fighter combos when I play. I believe in a SIM experience, but I want to enjoy that experience 20 minutes at a time. Because of the 10 minute halves length, you'll typically see around 14-20 combined shots on goal and lower goal totals. I'd be surprised if there are more than 2.5 goals per game with these sliders. I defend well enough and attack poorly enough to get that average anyway. Hah!

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    UPDATE | October 31, 2014: I highly/intensely/categorically recommend that you use Fidel's gameplay mod. How does it work? Easy, you download a tiny text file, called cl.ini - then simply copy and paste it into your FIFA 15 directory. There are many things that Fidel addressed with his mod, but primarily he addresses the insane CPU pressure/tackling while improving significantly the ability for humans and human AI to defend. It's truly essential. Because I use this mod, I cannot speak for how my sliders will play without them.
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    v1.1

    Controls: Full Manual
    Difficulty: World Class (or Professional for home fixtures)
    Halves: 10 Minutes
    Speed: Slow

    Human/CPU

    Sprint: 42/42
    Acceleration: 50/50
    Shot Error: 52/55
    Pass Error: 53/68
    Shot Speed: 48/48
    Pass Speed: 50/50
    GK Ability: 45/40
    Marking: 50/45
    Run Frequency: 40/25
    Line Height: 58/58
    Line Length: 42/42
    Line Width: 38/38
    Fullbacks: 60/60
    First Touch Control: 60/75

    Previous Versions:
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    Last edited by Gnemi; 10-31-2014, 09:21 AM. Reason: clarifications
  • Matt10
    Hall Of Fame
    • Apr 2006
    • 16728

    #2
    Re: Gnemi's FIFA 2015 House of Hybrid | Career Mode Sliders

    Wow, 34 for acceleration? When I've gone that low it's impossible to keep up with the CPU attack on legendary.

    I trust your judgement though. These look nice, thanks for the comments on mine and using them as a base. I'll definitely be checking them out to see how they play. Good work!
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    • Gnemi
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      • Jan 2012
      • 1519

      #3
      Re: Gnemi's FIFA 2015 House of Hybrid | Career Mode Sliders

      Originally posted by Matt10
      Wow, 34 for acceleration? When I've gone that low it's impossible to keep up with the CPU attack on legendary.

      I trust your judgement though. These look nice, thanks for the comments on mine and using them as a base. I'll definitely be checking them out to see how they play. Good work!
      haha, dammit, that was a typo...

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      • Matt10
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        • Apr 2006
        • 16728

        #4
        Re: Gnemi's FIFA 2015 House of Hybrid | Career Mode Sliders

        Originally posted by Gnemi
        haha, dammit, that was a typo...
        Ha, I was going to say - I hadn't tested on WC before, so if that were the case, I'd be all over it
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        • drunkenferret
          MVP
          • Jul 2004
          • 929

          #5
          Re: Gnemi's FIFA 2015 House of Hybrid | Career Mode Sliders

          Love your home/away switch ups...testing a variation of it with shot error for home and away games. My sliders have human shot error at 51 and cpu at 52. The realism is there, but for the challenge I'm testing the idea of reversing shot error for home and away to give home field advantage to the home team and then in neutral venues doing 52 shot error for both teams.

          Great Idea!
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          • CrazyGolfGuy
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            • Jan 2008
            • 39

            #6
            Re: Gnemi's FIFA 2015 House of Hybrid | Career Mode Sliders

            Originally posted by Gnemi
            haha, dammit, that was a typo...
            These sliders look great, just so I'm clear what is acceleration and sprint suppose to be?
            GO Braves

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            • Gnemi
              Rookie
              • Jan 2012
              • 1519

              #7
              Re: Gnemi's FIFA 2015 House of Hybrid | Career Mode Sliders

              Originally posted by CrazyGolfGuy
              These sliders look great, just so I'm clear what is acceleration and sprint suppose to be?

              They're correct in the OP: 34/48 for both HUM and CPU. Hope you enjoy!


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              • rambo150
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                • Mar 2009
                • 6

                #8
                Re: Gnemi's FIFA 2015 House of Hybrid | Career Mode Sliders

                Looks great but i'm on Orion's sliders right now. I like orion's sliders and i'm not that fond of switching in the middle of a season. Is there anyone who tested these and could tell me what the differemce is. Gnemi is it compatible with oldgen? Sadly i'm playing X360. Usually i played manual sliders on 6 minutes. This year that is nearly impossible so im playing 10 minutes and it is working out great!

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                • Gnemi
                  Rookie
                  • Jan 2012
                  • 1519

                  #9
                  Re: Gnemi's FIFA 2015 House of Hybrid | Career Mode Sliders

                  Originally posted by rambo150
                  Looks great but i'm on Orion's sliders right now. I like orion's sliders and i'm not that fond of switching in the middle of a season. Is there anyone who tested these and could tell me what the differemce is. Gnemi is it compatible with oldgen? Sadly i'm playing X360. Usually i played manual sliders on 6 minutes. This year that is nearly impossible so im playing 10 minutes and it is working out great!
                  I'll be honest...if you're playing 6 minute halves, you should absolutely try using Normal game speed.

                  As for old gen, I'm really not sure. Not played old gen this year at all.

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                  • Gnemi
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                    • Jan 2012
                    • 1519

                    #10
                    Re: Gnemi's FIFA 2015 House of Hybrid | Career Mode Sliders

                    I'm working on an update here that will use Normal game speed. I'm just not a fan of Slow this year. Stay tuned.

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                    • PleasedToMeetMe
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                      • May 2014
                      • 254

                      #11
                      Re: Gnemi's FIFA 2015 House of Hybrid | Career Mode Sliders

                      Any news, after the damn patch?

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                      • Gnemi
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                        • Jan 2012
                        • 1519

                        #12
                        Re: Gnemi's FIFA 2015 House of Hybrid | Career Mode Sliders

                        I have updated the OP with version 1.1 after the patch and after committing to the use of Fidel's mod.

                        Now, for some methodology and thoughts:

                        Speed
                        I believe in low 40's for Sprint because anything too low results in the jogging animation and anything too high results in a cartoon. With regards to acceleration, I prefer it when players have the ability to separate from slower or badly positioned defenders. I also want realistic fatigue. For me, sprinting is still a necessity while defending. The CPU will play tiki-taka without occasional high pressure. I tend to balance my defensive efforts between cutting off lanes and pressuring. However, I use tackling very conservatively.

                        Shot/Pass Error
                        Nothing will ever be perfect here and I find that, we as a FIFA slider community, end up chasing shadows here half the time. The CPU intermittently ignores the sliders and does whatever it wants regarding its passing accuracy. That's fine. High 60's tends to present a fair enough compromise. In truth, I'm okay with Shot Error being anywhere near default. Between 50 and 55 for user or CPU is appropriate.

                        Shot/Pass Speed
                        Shot speed has to be lowered to give the football *any* sense of weight or gravity. On 50 or higher, it floats like a beachball and rockets around the park at 120mph. I have tried faster and slower pass speed and prefer default. That one is very subjective though and has a similar relationship to the Power Bar settings.

                        GK Ability
                        This year has introduced an oddity with regards to keepers. They are far easier to beat from close range. It often looks odd, like the keepers fail to move or make an egregious looking error. However, in years past, it was *way* too difficult to beat the keepers in 1v1 or from 5 yards or closer. Why do I use lower than default? Because with 10 minute halves, I simply don't see enough goals and the number of shots does not seem to correlate sufficiently with goals scored. Hence, 40-45 presents a nice balance. I can see arguments for keeping them at default or going even lower than 40-45 with 10 minute halves, but I see NO argument for making them 60 or higher.

                        Marking
                        I've attempted everything under the sun with this slider and I'm never quite sure it makes a significant difference. Because vanilla is utterly broken, I encourage everybody to go with their gut here or with whatever best available evidence/data they can find to support their choice. Fidel's gameplay mod fixes the broken marking in FIFA '15 and I'm spoiled by that. Nonetheless, anything you can do to reduce the CPU's pressure/tackling is a plus. Unfortunately, I have consistently failed to see changes to human AI crappy marking. They tend to be highly ineffective man-markers and the marking slider doesn't help, even when I crank it to 70 or higher. I'd love to see arguments here to the contrary, but my current stance is that you should seek help elsewhere when it comes to fixing broken human AI marking.

                        Run Frequency
                        This slider is one of the most powerful and subjective in the set. I think it comes down almost entirely to personal preference. Regarding the human side of things, use your custom tactics appropriately and feel free to pick whatever run frequency blows your hair back. Again, it's personal preference here. With regards to the CPU, I believe that you want to do whatever you can to limit the speed at which the CPU rams the football down your throat when they take possession. That's just EA Sports signature programming for the CPU and I don't know if it will ever change, sadly.

                        Line Settings
                        Oh boy. There will never be a more controversial discussion than line settings. Here's my tl;dr summary of affairs:

                        Height | Choose a height that allows for a range of player ratings and gives your back line an opportunity to meet the CPU attackers but not open themselves up to blatant CPU abuse in counter attacks. This is not easy to do. I think high 50's is the most appropriate choice here. The abuse typically occurs from my perspective when I lose the football in midfield and the CPU quickly punches it up to their wings or forwards and the race is on. That can be addressed with length though!

                        Length | If you are like me, you hate it more than anything when the CPU goes on forever long runs on the counter, or constantly looks for through balls to cut your backline to pieces. I think it's important to compress the length of your line so that your midfielders can quickly recover and help. So, what I'm looking for in length is the ability to quickly link passes in attack AND allow for my midfielders with teeth to nimbly contribute to defending against CPU counters.

                        Width | Bring it in. FIFA loves to be played on the wings, each and every year, especially with the "cut in diagonally" so-called exploit. Hence, somewhere in the mid to high 30's works best if you want to promote midfield activity and defensive help. I know, I know. Football being played in the midfield is the white unicorn of FIFA: it may or may not actually exist.

                        Fullbacks | Nothing too controversial here. I would also encourage FIFA nerds to use custom tactics here if you're not comfortable with fullbacks playing too far up the pitch.

                        First Touch Control | One of the most underrated sliders as it tremendously changes the way FIFA plays. Anything higher than 60 tends to make the game unplayable for me and/or I lose possession far too often. Even Fidel's mod doesn't account for the CPU's uncanny ability to grab the football when my player takes a bad touch. If only the converse were true, but I digress! For the CPU, anything lower than 75 tends to make Millwall look like Bayern.
                        Last edited by Gnemi; 10-31-2014, 09:26 AM.

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                        • tkelly
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                          • Nov 2014
                          • 129

                          #13
                          Re: Gnemi's FIFA 2015 House of Hybrid | Career Mode Sliders

                          Hi gnemi, thank you for your slider, I really like it. Just a few questions. I would relly like to be done with sliders and just enjoy the game.
                          After many fifas with Orion sliders a decide to try something else. Tryed matts slider and before patch I really enjoy them. After patch , I just cant. Not that slider are not good, bud the game feels diferent. Too easy to score even on legendary, just blow past by D. And then just watch CPU pass and pass and pass and never try to score.
                          I visit orions and mats sliders every day and seen you always write about fidels game play.. Well thank you.. I try it and feels so mutch beter.. Had 2:2 draw ( amazing game) on world class.. and that never happend, I always win, even on legendary ( in last season 32W on legendary - boring).
                          I tryed fidels ini.. what I wanna know is.. witch one is for your sliders.. 2.6? Or lower 2.4 D+, or 2.4 high difficulty?
                          Anyway, just play 3 games with your sliders and Fidel 2.6 ini, and it was great. What a battles. Was absolutly destroyed by Arsenal ( 2:0,had made 2 mistakes,) . In Cup I win 3:0 against some lower league team and manage to beat chelsea 1:0 , scored in 55 from penalty and then I had to park the bus.
                          Enjoyed every single game.
                          Soo thank you for write about fidels game so often in matts and orion threads, whitout it I would not know about it. What can one litlle file change:-) EA should hire Fidel!
                          Last edited by tkelly; 11-03-2014, 05:58 AM.

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                          • Gnemi
                            Rookie
                            • Jan 2012
                            • 1519

                            #14
                            Re: Gnemi's FIFA 2015 House of Hybrid | Career Mode Sliders

                            Originally posted by tkelly
                            Hi gnemi, thank you for your slider, I really like it. Just a few questions. I would relly like to be done with sliders and just enjoy the game.
                            After many fifas with Orion sliders a decide to try something else. Tryed matts slider and before patch I really enjoy them. After patch , I just cant. Not that slider are not good, bud the game feels diferent. Too easy to score even on legendary, just blow past by D. And then just watch CPU pass and pass and pass and never try to score.
                            I visit orions and mats sliders every day and seen you always write about fidels game play.. Well thank you.. I try it and feels so mutch beter.. Had 2:2 draw ( amazing game) on world class.. and that never happend, I always win, even on legendary ( in last season 32W on legendary - boring).
                            I tryed fidels ini.. what I wanna know is.. witch one is for your sliders.. 2.6? Or lower 2.4 D+, or 2.4 high difficulty?
                            Anyway, just play 3 games with your sliders and Fidel 2.6 ini, and it was great. What a battles. Was absolutly destroyed by Arsenal ( 2:0,had made 2 mistakes,) . In Cup I win 3:0 against some lower league team and manage to beat chelsea 1:0 , scored in 55 from penalty and then I had to park the bus.
                            Enjoyed every single game.
                            Soo thank you for write about fidels game so often in matts and orion threads, whitout it I would not know about it. What can one litlle file change:-) EA should hire Fidel!
                            I totally agree with you. I am using 2.6 right now, by the way.

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                            • Gnemi
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                              • Jan 2012
                              • 1519

                              #15
                              Re: Gnemi's FIFA 2015 House of Hybrid | Career Mode Sliders

                              UPDATE: 04 November 2014

                              I am working on a Legendary slider set. Before the 1.03 patch, I found Legendary to be ridiculously overpowered, more akin to AI cheating than difficult gameplay. After the patch, however, I think EA have restored Legendary to its rightful place as the best SIM difficulty. It is very likely I will use Legendary for Away / Cup fixtures and World Class at Home.

                              Here is the BETA version of my Legendary set. I am also testing this set on Normal game speed.

                              Controls: Full Manual
                              Difficulty: Legendary (or World Class for Home fixtures)
                              Halves: 10 Minutes
                              Speed: Normal

                              Human/CPU

                              Sprint: 40/40
                              Acceleration: 48/48
                              Shot Error: 51/55
                              Pass Error: 51/72
                              Shot Speed: 48/48
                              Pass Speed: 50/50
                              GK Ability: 45/40
                              Marking: 50/45
                              Run Frequency: 35/20
                              Line Height: 58/58
                              Line Length: 48/48
                              Line Width: 42/42
                              Fullbacks: 60/60
                              First Touch Control: 60/90

                              NOTES:
                              Legendary is still brutally difficult although the pressure/tackling is mitigated a bit with Fidel's mod. Burst is also mitigated, by the way.

                              The first touch control is more or less key to making this work. The three sliders I will pay special attention to here are Shot/Pass Error and First Touch Control. I have also opened up the pitch a bit by increasing the length and width by a few ticks. Over a six game span yesterday, including a highly representative cross-section of EPL teams (Villa, United, Liverpool, Swansea, West Brom, and Arsenal) I thought these sliders were working fantastically.

                              Regarding Acceleration @ 48, if people tell you that reduces fouls or fatigue, they're completely wrong.

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