Early 60s Playoff Ready roster uploaded.

[doncropper]

The Early '60s Playoff Ready Roster V01 has been uploaded under the user name stecropper.

This Version of the Early '60s Roster consist of the following completed 25 Man Teams:

AMERICAN LEAGUE:
1961 New York Yankees
1961 Detroit Tigers
1963 Chicago White Sox
1963 Minnesota Twins
1964 Baltimore Orioles

NATIONAL LEAGUE:
1960 Pittsburgh Pirates
1961 Cincinnati Reds
1962 San Francisco Giants
1963 Los Angeles Dodgers
1964 St. Louis Cardinals

Plus:
1961 Milwaukee Braves
1960-64 Miami Marlins (Consisting of Non Starters from various Teams from 1960-1964)

This Roster Set is built with Ratings coming directly from OOTP V14 with the exception of a Pitchers Rating for Stamina, Clutch, H/9, HR/9, K/9 & BB/9; plus all Players Clutch & Durability ratings coming from Jimbo's Historic Calculator. Also a Pitchers Control & Movement Ratings were derived from a formula I created but with input data coming directly from OOTP V14.

I only use CPU vs CPU for games and they seem to really play out well using this method. I hope this works as well for those of you that control either one or both teams during the course of a game. I would be really interested in hearing from anyone that controls one or both teams on how they are playing out for you.

I have also uploaded the Sliders I use to produce the most realistic results for this Roster Set. They are simply called Early '60s and under the user name stecropper.

Future Versions of this Roster Set will include the following 25 Man Teams to complete a Season Ready Version:
1961 Cleveland Indians
1961 Washington Senators
1962 Boston Red Sox
1962 Los Angeles Angels
1962 New York Mets
1964 Chicago Cubs
1964 Houston Colt 45s
1964 Kansas City Athletics
1964 Philadelphia Phillies
1969 Kansas City Royals (Initial Franchise Team)
1969 Seattle Pilots (Initial & Only Franchise Team)
1969 San Diego Padres (Initial Franchise Team)
1969 Montreal Expos (Initial Franchise Team)
1960-64 Tampa Bay Rays (Consisting of Non Starters from various Teams from 1960-1964)
1960-64 Toronto Blue Jays (Consisting of Non Starters from various Teams from 1960-1964)
1960-64 Milwaukee Brewers (Consisting of Non Starters from various Teams from 1960-1964)
1960-64 Arizona D'Backs (Consisting of Non Starters from various Teams from 1960-1964)
1960-64 Colorado Rockies (Consisting of Non Starters from various Teams from 1960-1964)

Eventually each Team will include every Player that Played in the Majors that year for that Team.

Then it will be onto the Late '60s Roster Set (1965-1969) constructed in a similar manner.

I hope you enjoy this creation.

[StormsWarning]

Re: Early 60s Playoff Ready roster uploaded.

The Early '60s Playoff Ready Roster V01 has been uploaded under the user name stecropper.

This Version of the Early '60s Roster consist of the following completed 25 Man Teams:

AMERICAN LEAGUE:
1961 New York Yankees
1961 Detroit Tigers
1963 Chicago White Sox
1963 Minnesota Twins
1964 Baltimore Orioles

NATIONAL LEAGUE:
1960 Pittsburgh Pirates
1961 Cincinnati Reds
1962 San Francisco Reds
1963 Los Angeles Dodgers
1964 St. Louis Cardinals

Plus:
1961 Milwaukee Braves
1960-64 Miami Marlins (Consisting of Non Starters from various Teams from 1960-1964)

This Roster Set is built with Ratings coming directly from OOTP V14 with the exception of a Pitchers Rating for Stamina, Clutch, H/9, HR/9, K/9 & BB/9; plus all Players Clutch & Durability ratings coming from Jimbo's Historic Calculator. Also a Pitchers Control & Movement Ratings were derived from a formula I created but with input data coming directly from OOTP V14.

I only use CPU vs CPU for games and they seem to really play out well using this method. I hope this works as well for those of you that control either one or both teams during the course of a game. I would be really interested in hearing from anyone that controls one or both teams on how they are playing out for you.

I have also uploaded the Sliders I use to produce the most realistic results for this Roster Set. They are simply called Early '60s and under the user name stecropper.

Future Versions of this Roster Set will include the following 25 Man Teams to complete a Season Ready Version:
1961 Cleveland Indians
1961 Washington Senators
1962 Boston Red Sox
1962 Los Angeles Angels
1962 New York Mets
1964 Chicago Cubs
1964 Houston Colt 45s
1964 Kansas City Athletics
1964 Philadelphia Phillies
1969 Kansas City Royals (Initial Franchise Team)
1969 Seattle Pilots (Initial & Only Franchise Team)
1969 San Diego Padres (Initial Franchise Team)
1969 Montreal Expos (Initial Franchise Team)
1960-64 Tampa Bay Rays (Consisting of Non Starters from various Teams from 1960-1964)
1960-64 Toronto Blue Jays (Consisting of Non Starters from various Teams from 1960-1964)
1960-64 Milwaukee Brewers (Consisting of Non Starters from various Teams from 1960-1964)
1960-64 Arizona D'Backs (Consisting of Non Starters from various Teams from 1960-1964)
1960-64 Colorado Rockies (Consisting of Non Starters from various Teams from 1960-1964)

Eventually each Team will include every Player that Played in the Majors that year for that Team.

Then it will be onto the Late '60s Roster Set (1965-1969) constructed in a similar manner.

I hope you enjoy this creation.

Don i can say simply one word! Amazing! i know your work from mvp 2005 very well!!!, and imo, anything you detail in a game is a must download, i will grab these for sure! thank you for this set.

[doncropper]

Re: Early 60s Playoff Ready roster uploaded.

StormsWarning,

Thanks for the kind words. I still hold MVP2005 close to the heart as the most flexible Computer Baseball Simulation game ever created and the Best for recreating the game's Historical accuracy.

However, The Show is certainly heads and shoulders above it in Presentation and perhaps even in it's game engine itself.

Once The Show includes such things as many additional Historical Uniforms, More Historical Stadiums, League realignment & elimination of certain teams capability during season play, flexible schedule creation, Playoff bracket adjustments, Oldtime Fielding Gloves & Flapless Batting Helmets and No Batting Helmets (using Baseball Caps only), all players that ever played the game announced names available plus eliminating those retired jersey #'s THEN it certainly would become the BEST BASEBALL Game EVER !

Thanks Again,
Don

[Kernel Pie]

Re: Early 60s Playoff Ready roster uploaded.

Really nice set man--thanks for posting. Everything looks extremely accurate and very well done.

[bostongahden]

Re: Early 60s Playoff Ready roster uploaded.

Don, I just convinced my wife to get the...ummm...kids a PS4 this Christmas lol. I'll be getting these rosters for sure. In the new year, I'd be more than happy to help you out. I reconfigured ratings for classic teams for MLB 13 which I am still enjoying > http://www.operationsports.com/forum...sic-teams.html . Maybe I could get some of those great seventies teams going. Still have MVP 2005 on my laptop, but I just can't stay with it too long just due to the presentation factor of MLB the Show.

[doncropper]

Re: Early 60s Playoff Ready roster uploaded.

Hey there bostongahden,

I appreciate and Welcome your offer of assistance in bringing to life these Early & Late 60s roster sets plus a 70s roster set as well.

1) Do you have Out of the Park V14 ? If not then I would be willing to purchase it for you if you are serious about helping this project along.

2) Are you willing to strictly adhere to rating these players according to OOTP V14, Jimbo's latest historic Calculator & my Pitchers Control & Movement formula? Reason I ask is by using the ratings reflected in these 3 tools takes all personal decisions out of the process which greatly enhances the relative accuracy of these roster sets (in my opinion at least).

3) The personal decisions come into play when setting things like accessories, batting stances, pitchers delivery etc etc....

4) There is no rush expected while building these teams/roster sets and after the first of the year is fine with me as I expect to continue this project well into next year. Hopefully we can transfer these to MLB The Show's next & future versions.

5) I remember enjoying some of your work from MLB The Show 13!

Again, Thanks for the offer to help and I certainly look forward to working with you on this project. As you might know, I am one of the original Total Classics guys from MVP 2005 and that was really an enjoyable experience working with that group of fellows and I would love to bring some of that concept of teamwork here to MLB The Show.

Plus if you would rather me just share with you my complete method/process so you can build your own rosters I would be more than happy to do that as well.

Take Care,
Don

[bostongahden]

Re: Early 60s Playoff Ready roster uploaded.

To answer your question, Don, I am not familiar with OOTP series other than it is a much heralded simulation from what I've read. Is it costly? I don't mind paying if it's reasonable and I'm assuming you covet their ratings due to the accuracy factor in their simulations. I'm all about the classic teams as I don't spend much time with the current rosters so I'm eager to learn how you come up with your ratings.

From what I've read am I correct with my inference that only franchise files can be carried over and not rosters files? I'm torn because I'm getting the PS4 and I'll naturally get MLB 14 but it's a shame to do all the work and not have it carried over. But such is the life of the classic roster guys, I guess.

I also totally agree with your view that more stadiums, uniforms and customized leagues for season play would make this game even better. Also I'm more of a player rather than a simulator (especially in playoff mode) so I can give plenty of feedback on how the rosters handle in that regard. I look forward to seeing your work and using the rosters

[doncropper]

Re: Early 60s Playoff Ready roster uploaded.

bostongahden,

OOTP's latest version is on sale now for just $19.99 regurlarly $39.99. This is a PC version. I looked on ebay & amazon for OOTP V14, where I purchased it, but didn't see any available. V14 is available from that place called Steam but I am not familiar with Steam so don't know if it is a legitimate site to purchase software. I think it was $9.99 either on their site or someone selling it's Steam Code on ebay.

Yep, I've read many accolades regarding OOTP's rating system but actually have not played the game itself to know much about it. I played Strat-O-Matic's computer game a little and APBA's Broadcast Blast a good bit and enjoyed those two game but have heard that OOTP's ratings are better. I also messed a very little bit with Sports Mogul but strictly use those game to research and use ratings to create Teams/Players for MVP 2005 and now The Show.

OOTP matches up really really well with The Show's ratings categories so because of that and their highly regarded rating accuracy is why I am very happy so far with the results. But again, I only play CPU vs CPU games so I really have no idea how realistic it is when controlling one or both of the teams within a game.

I too read only about the year to year transfer ability in Franchise and Road to the Show modes but am hoping they also include Roster Saves or Playoff Saves. Certainly that wouldn't be a big issue to make that happen if they already have those other two methods implemented. It would be a huge marketing oversight if they don't.

I am now enjoying only Playoff Mode since until I have a complete Season playable roster it makes no sense to use that mode. Even for simming an entire season to check the results isn't much value until the entire roster is built.

I have always been a very dedicated Baseball enthusiast but I too can't really get into the current seasons and focused almost entirely on Oldtime Baseball.

I will start posting my method of creating Rosters using OOTP V14 (which I certainly think V13 & the latest V15 would all apply equally) on this thread so you and others can use. I think it would be fantastic to create a "Standard" for others to use to easily build Rosters then we can easily interchange Teams from various Roster Makers to create unique Roster Sets.

I truly appreciate your interest and definitely look forward to collaborating with you on these efforts.

Take Care,
Don

[doncropper]

Re: Early 60s Playoff Ready roster uploaded.

Building The Show Roster using Primarily OOTP V14 Rating System:

A) To create a specific year in OOTP select New Historical Game at Start-Up & select the Year.
1) -- Historical League Settings:
Check - Import complete history up to 19??
Click "Show Show Summary"
Set Base Current Ratings on = Real Stats
Set Base Potential Ratings on = Remaining Years of Career
Set Base Fielding on = Imported Season
Set Base Pitcher Stamina on = Imported Season
Check Generate Random L/R Splits (at least for older years where actual unavailable)
-- Adjust Hitters Options
Adjust Hitters with fewer than X at Bats = 90
Weaken Hitters with fewer than X at Bats = 40
-- Adjust Pitcher Options
Adjust Pitchers with fewer than X Innings = 30
Weaken Pitchers with fewer than X Innings = 20
-- Steps 2 - 6 set to desired settings

B) Once the specific Year has loaded:
1) Click the Game Tab at the top:
Select Setup & Options
Ratings Scales set to:
Player Actual Ratings Scale = 1-100
Player Potential Ratings Scale = 1-100
Other Player Ratings Scale = 1-100
Show Ratings > Max = Yes
Show Potential < actual = Yes
Overall /Potential Ratings = Values 20 - 80

Now to Rate Players:

C) Team Menu to Select specific Team
Then select Players Ratings

THE SHOW Field ============ OOTP's Field
1) GENERAL area
First Name ================= Main Player Screen Top
Last Name ================= Main Player Screen Top
First Name Audio ============ Set as Normal
Last Name Audio ============ Set as Normal
Age ====================== Main Player Screen Top
Preferred Number ============ Main Player Screen Top
Primary Position ============ from Defensive Ratings Section
Secondary Position ========== from Defensive Ratings Section
Throw Hand ================ from Personal Details Section
Bat Hand ================== from Personal Details Section
U.S. Born ================== set Yes or No
2) BODY area
Skin Tone ================== set Personal Choice
Height ==================== Main Player Screen Top
Weight =================== Main Player Screen Top
Body Type ================= set Personal Choice
Neck Size ================= set Personal Choice
3) ATTRIBUTES area
Potential ================== Other Ratings area - Potential
RATINGS Tab
Contact vs R =============== Contact vs RHP
Contact vs L =============== Contact vs LHP
Power vs R ================ Power vs RHP
Power vs L ================ Power vs LHP
Bunting Ability ============= Sacrifice Bunt (Use Current Rating Not Potential)
Drag Bunting ============== Bunt for Hit
Plate Vision =============== Avoid K's
Plate Discipline ============ Eye (it's Eye/Discipline on Other Ratings area)
Batting Clutch ============= from Jimbo's Calculator (adjust -30 for Pitchers)
Durability ================ from Jimbo's Calculator (Pitchers use Pitchers section)
Speed =================== Running Speed
Arm Strength ============== Arm for Position (use either Infield, Outfield or Catcher)
Arm Accuracy ============= Err for Position (use either Infield, Outfield or Catcher)
Reaction ================= Rng for Position (use either Infield, Outfield . Catcher use Ability)
Field Ability =============== from Position Rating Area
Stealing ================= Stealing Bases
BR Aggressiveness ========= Baserunning

PITCHERS:
4) PITCH TYPES area
PITCHES area
Pitch Type 1 ============== Highest Rated First followed by others in Rating Order.
When only 2 listed make 3rd a Fastball type
with Ratings = 2nd Pitches
Pitch Type 2 - 5 as described above.

5) PITCHING ATTRIBUTES area
Stamina ================= Jimbo's Historical Calculator
Pitching Clutch ============ Jimbo's Historical Calculator
H/9 ===================== Jimbo's Historical Calculator
HR/9 ==================== Jimbo's Historical Calculator
K/9 ===================== Jimbo's Historical Calculator
BB/9 ==================== Jimbo's Historical Calculator
Pitch Type 1 ============== Already set from step 4) above
Velocity ================= use a value in the range of OOTP's
in Other Ratings area
Control ================= use my calculator with Input from OOTP's
current Pitch Ratings for Control
Break ================= use my calculator with Input from OOTP's
current Pitch Ratings for Movement
Set Remaining Pitch Type's 2-5 accordingly.

Pitching Style (Delivery), Batting Stance & Accessories are set as Personal Choices

[bostongahden]

Re: Early 60s Playoff Ready roster uploaded.

This is great stuff, Don. I will purchase a copy over the holidays. I am familiar with Steam but I will probably go with the current version. Where do you access Jimbo's calculator? Do you do your own faces?

[doncropper]

Re: Early 60s Playoff Ready roster uploaded.

This is great stuff, Don. I will purchase a copy over the holidays. I am familiar with Steam but I will probably go with the current version. Where do you access Jimbo's calculator? Do you do your own faces?

I can email you his latest historical calculator along with many seasons already generated to save you time. Just email me at stecropper at aol dot com and I will send them your way along with my simple spreadsheet to calculate a pitcher's control & break from the OOTP inputted values for each pitch type.

I have done several faces from scratch (probably 30 or so) but I try first to find an existing face from other rosters (then modify them a little if needed) or at least try to find a similar looking face in another roster and then modify it to more resemble the player I am creating.

Take Care,
Don

[doncropper]

Re: Early 60s Playoff Ready roster uploaded.

Early '60s WIP update has been uploaded.

The Primary upgrades are the '62 Boston Red Sox & '64 Philadelphia Phillies 25 man squads are complete.

This Version of the Early '60s Roster consist of the following completed 25 Man Teams:

AMERICAN LEAGUE:
1961 New York Yankees
1961 Detroit Tigers
1962 Boston Red Sox
1963 Chicago White Sox
1963 Minnesota Twins
1964 Baltimore Orioles

NATIONAL LEAGUE:
1960 Pittsburgh Pirates
1961 Cincinnati Reds
1961 Milwaukee Braves
1962 San Francisco Giants
1963 Los Angeles Dodgers
1964 St. Louis Cardinals
1964 Philadelphia Phillies
1960-64 Miami Marlins (Consisting of Non Starters from various Teams from 1960-1964)


Future Versions of this Roster Set will include the following 25 Man Teams to complete a Season Ready Version:

1961 Cleveland Indians
1961 Washington Senators
1962 Los Angeles Angels
1962 New York Mets
1964 Chicago Cubs
1964 Houston Colt 45s
1964 Kansas City Athletics
1969 Kansas City Royals (Initial Franchise Team - Players in Roster but not Rated)
1969 Seattle Pilots (Initial & Only Franchise Team - Players in Roster but not Rated)
1969 San Diego Padres (Initial Franchise Team - Players in Roster but not Rated)
1969 Montreal Expos (Initial Franchise Team - Players in Roster but not Rated)
1960-64 Tampa Bay Rays (Consisting of Non Starters from various Teams from 1960-1964)
1960-64 Toronto Blue Jays (Consisting of Non Starters from various Teams from 1960-1964)
1960-64 Milwaukee Brewers (Consisting of Non Starters from various Teams from 1960-1964)
1960-64 Arizona D'Backs (Consisting of Non Starters from various Teams from 1960-1964)
1960-64 Colorado Rockies (Consisting of Non Starters from various Teams from 1960-1964)

[doncropper]

Re: Early 60s Playoff Ready roster uploaded.

Early '60s WIP update has been uploaded.

The Primary upgrades are the '61 Cleveland Indians 25 man squad is complete.

Next up will likely be the '62 New York Mets.

This Version of the Early '60s Roster consist of the following completed 25 Man Teams:

AMERICAN LEAGUE:
1961 New York Yankees
1961 Cleveland Indians
1961 Detroit Tigers
1962 Boston Red Sox
1963 Chicago White Sox
1963 Minnesota Twins
1964 Baltimore Orioles

NATIONAL LEAGUE:
1960 Pittsburgh Pirates
1961 Cincinnati Reds
1961 Milwaukee Braves
1962 San Francisco Giants
1963 Los Angeles Dodgers
1964 St. Louis Cardinals
1964 Philadelphia Phillies
1960-64 Miami Marlins (Consisting of Non Starters from various Teams from 1960-1964)


Future Versions of this Roster Set will include the following 25 Man Teams to complete a Season Ready Version:

1961 Washington Senators
1962 Los Angeles Angels
1962 New York Mets
1964 Chicago Cubs
1964 Houston Colt 45s
1964 Kansas City Athletics
1969 Kansas City Royals (Initial Franchise Team - Players in Roster but not yet Rated)
1969 Seattle Pilots (Initial & Only Franchise Team - Players in Roster but not yet Rated)
1969 San Diego Padres (Initial Franchise Team - Players in Roster but not yet Rated)
1969 Montreal Expos (Initial Franchise Team - Players in Roster but not yet Rated)
1960-64 Tampa Bay Rays (Consisting of Non Starters from various Teams from 1960-1964)
1960-64 Toronto Blue Jays (Consisting of Non Starters from various Teams from 1960-1964)
1960-64 Milwaukee Brewers (Consisting of Non Starters from various Teams from 1960-1964)
1960-64 Arizona D'Backs (Consisting of Non Starters from various Teams from 1960-1964)
1960-64 Colorado Rockies (Consisting of Non Starters from various Teams from 1960-1964)

[doncropper]

Re: Early 60s Playoff Ready roster uploaded.

Early '60s WIP update has been uploaded.

The Primary upgrades are the '62 New York Mets 25 man squad is complete.

Next up will likely be the '61 Washington Senators.

This Version of the Early '60s Roster consist of the following completed 25 Man Teams:

AMERICAN LEAGUE:
1961 New York Yankees
1961 Cleveland Indians
1961 Detroit Tigers
1962 Boston Red Sox
1963 Chicago White Sox
1963 Minnesota Twins
1964 Baltimore Orioles

NATIONAL LEAGUE:
1960 Pittsburgh Pirates
1961 Cincinnati Reds
1961 Milwaukee Braves
1962 New York Mets
1962 San Francisco Giants
1963 Los Angeles Dodgers
1964 St. Louis Cardinals
1964 Philadelphia Phillies
1960-64 Miami Marlins (Consisting of Non Starters from various Teams from 1960-1964)


Future Versions of this Roster Set will include the following 25 Man Teams to complete a Season Ready Version:

1961 Washington Senators
1962 Los Angeles Angels
1964 Chicago Cubs
1964 Houston Colt 45s
1964 Kansas City Athletics
1969 Kansas City Royals (Initial Franchise Team - Players in Roster but not yet Rated)
1969 Seattle Pilots (Initial & Only Franchise Team - Players in Roster but not yet Rated)
1969 San Diego Padres (Initial Franchise Team - Players in Roster but not yet Rated)
1969 Montreal Expos (Initial Franchise Team - Players in Roster but not yet Rated)
1960-64 Tampa Bay Rays (Consisting of Non Starters from various Teams from 1960-1964)
1960-64 Toronto Blue Jays (Consisting of Non Starters from various Teams from 1960-1964)
1960-64 Milwaukee Brewers (Consisting of Non Starters from various Teams from 1960-1964)
1960-64 Arizona D'Backs (Consisting of Non Starters from various Teams from 1960-1964)
1960-64 Colorado Rockies (Consisting of Non Starters from various Teams from 1960-1964)

[lhslancers]

Re: Early 60s Playoff Ready roster uploaded.

I am sure you mean 1962 San Francisco Giants.