OS Realism Roster for MLB 15 The Show

[WaitTilNextYear]

UPDATE 9/1, 7:45pm

The final roster has been put in the vault as: OS Realism Roster FINAL. The PSN is ohtheseblues. Enjoy.
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UPDATE 7/16, 9:50pm

A beta version of this roster is available in the vault as OS Realism beta. The PSN is KeepChooglin. Enjoy.

See below to refresh your memory on what's inside. The only thing that still needs to be worked on to make this beta version into a finished product is refining faces for teams from the Milwaukee Brewers to the Washington Nationals alphabetically by city name. If you don't mind the Brewers through the Nationals having their original OSFM faces, then this version is complete for your needs and ready to franchise with.
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ETA: The future (near future) -- This will be replaced by a file name and release date in the vault in the future.

Background and Acknowledgments

Spoilered because this got kind of long, but this is probably the most important part.

Spoiler

After several months of grinding away, we are nearing the release of what I truly believe to be the most accurate and most detailed/nuanced roster of the baseball season. No disrespect intended to any other creators as their efforts have been instrumental in preparing rosters that are also quite good and were ready to use much earlier in the baseball season than this one. In fact, we even chose to base this roster on OSFM v1--without this essential platform, we'd never have finished. So, before I tell you what this roster is and what will be in it, thanks are in order.

Firstly, I'd like to thank teeds, my co-conspirator on this project. After getting a large taste of roster editing in helping Willard put out the Hybrid Roster last year, we decided to attempt something that we thought/hoped might even top that and of course we enjoyed the ability to work at our own pace and in relative anonymity with no thread to babysit. Teeds has a special eye for detail and an incurable desire to edit/fix/create/perfect and he was the brains behind the whole "hey, let's use this massive spreadsheet to base OSFM off of this year for consistency's sake" idea and basically built that from scratch after hundreds of hours of mindless data entry. If this roster is anyone's to claim, teeds should get the lion' share of the credit.

I'd also like to thank RidinDwnKingsley for leading the OSFM project in Knight's absence this year. Without this tremendous accomplishment of the OS community, we would not have been able to customize and you would not have seen dozens of spin off rosters to cater to your exact gaming needs. The OSFM project is still, for my money, the pride of the Operation Sports community. Credit also goes to too many OSFM contributors to name including Willard, CWSPalehoseCWS, Mr Oldboy, sink4ever, TNKNGM, Ivanhoe, Seanjeezy, SirSpencalot, Showtyme, and Dbacks Nation among many others I couldn't hope to properly credit (you know who you are).

I want to thank Willard also for being the "godfather of the OSFM Hybrid" roster in the past and of the Revision Roster this year. It's not that nobody else ever had the idea to re-rate players in the past, but Willard has brought a consistent roster to the community, and quickly, that many Show gamers enjoy to use in their franchises. Aside from that, Willard's done some great work recruiting people into the community to help as I believe both teeds and myself would've never participated in the roster community to this extent were it not for the original Hybrid rosters.

I'd also like to thank Motown for making some truly phenomenal faces and we've made every effort to use them as he's made them available. Mo does a great job and the community is lucky to have someone who's willing to happily take requests so long as you go about it in a reasonable way.

Finally, PhilliesFan13 did some really nice equipment edits mostly for the NL East that I incorporated as I did equipment for the entire league. So, kudos to PhilliesFan13 for getting me a nice head start there.

If there is anyone else that deserves credit, I apologize for the omission, but working on this roster since February has reduced my brain to mush.

What this Roster is About


Here are some specs (apologies in advance if these don't quite suit your needs, but there is no plan for any updates/changes after release):


Current, classic, or fictional? Current
SCEA ratings or re-rated? Re-rated using ZiPS projections as a primary standard
OD or Updated Transactions? Opening Day w/all injured players in A Ball
40-man or 25-man? 40-man
Contracts? Real amounts and years for all MLB contracts according to Cot's contracts as of Opening Day 2015
Include 2015 Draft Prospects? No
Suggested Sliders? Worst Sliders Ever These sliders include the best sim settings for manager hook, SP stamina, RP stamina, and injuries even if you don't use these for actual games. **There is no evidence that any sliders other than these affect simmed games.**


Here are some selling points:


*ratings based on ZiPS projections and tested to give the most true-to-life sim stats that you'll find in any roster

*updated ratings that are not in any other roster include:
-tweaks to minor league pitchers to prevent the league from becoming a pitcher's paradise in later seasons (sim stats are realistic to 10+ years into franchise mode)
-defense and speed ratings based on actual data, not "feel"
-new batting splits added based off the 2015 ZiPS projections
-expanded pitch edits: I've added 20% more pitchers and updated rookie starters since the original pitch edits came out and will update the spreadsheet when our roster comes out
-standardized pitcher batting/fielding/speed ratings...no more pitchers with noodle arms in the field or some teams with fast-running pitchers that can field and others with slugs
-updated clutch and durability ratings

*hundreds of error fixes from the OSFM rosters....corrected spelling, height, weight, positions, audio names (absolutely NO "near" audio matches..only exact sounds), country of birth, handedness, age...no stone unturned

*a more conservative potential system that minimizes the amount of "A" players in the game and reduces the amount of "B's"...decently heralded prospects all the way down in the C/B range...there are only 2 SP prospects with A potential...a high C potential in this roster is roughly equivalent to a low B in rosters that you're used to

*thoroughly edited equipment for both major and minor leagues with major leaguers wearing equipment from ~May...you'd be SHOCKED at how many silver necklaces, branded items, and other such items were missing from SCEA players

*rosters updated to include over 100 players not found in the original OSFM release...from players such as Mike Broadway to Jandel Gustave to Ryan Merritt to Mark Zagunis among dozens and dozens of others...additional players also added to free agents

*hundreds and hundreds of facial edits (don't worry, not done by me lol) and in some cases entire teams were re-done

*lineups and rotations accurate to opening day 2015

*a significant amount of batting stances and pitching motions re-done for minor league players and all MLB players with signature stances/motions have not been altered


Basically, we envisioned and wanted to engineer a roster that would be: (1) accurate to our standards of OCD-ness that others like us can appreciate; (2) amazing to use in a franchise mode for 3, 5, and even 10 years or more; and (3) something that can be carried over and used for others to base future roster projects on.

[Moss44]

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Sounds like a cool roster! A couple of quick questions...

Did you include any pitcher batting stances?

and

Will this roster be more filler-centered like the Revision Roster or prospect-centered like OSFM?

[teeds]

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Sounds like a cool roster! A couple of quick questions...

Did you include any pitcher batting stances?

and

Will this roster be more filler-centered like the Revision Roster or prospect-centered like OSFM?

1) Yep, this will be edited from the thread

2) Prospects have been added that you won't find on any other roster: Rookie Davis and others to the Yanks, Jharel Cotton, Jacob Rhame, and more to the Dodgers, Jordan Patterson to the Rockies, Gabriel Quintana, Auston Bousfield, Duanel Jones, Fernando Perez to the Padres, Brian Holmes, Adrian Houser, and Jason Martin to the Astros, etc.... etc. You get the point. I'm very diligent when it comes to who to include. This is not to say that these guys are filling up AAA rosters either. Players will be assigned to the appropriate levels.

[b22gamer]

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j/c are the two A-rated SP prospects Syndegaard and Rodon? Looking forward to this set. I am 5 years deep in a fran w/ the Mets and the rotation, although awesome, is a bit OP. Balance is key with this game, makes it so much more enjoyable.

[WaitTilNextYear]

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j/c are the two A-rated SP prospects Syndegaard and Rodon? Looking forward to this set. I am 5 years deep in a fran w/ the Mets and the rotation, although awesome, is a bit OP. Balance is key with this game, makes it so much more enjoyable.

Glad to hear it.

Both Syndergaard and Rodon just missed the cutoff for an A. I have them both in the high 80s POT (Syndergaard is an 89 I believe) and with some decent progression they can easily become A's. The beauty of both those guys is that their repertoires are filthy enough that they'll do ok whether as high B's or as A's.

The guys I settled on as the only A POT pitching prospects are Lucas Giolito and Julio Urias. Neither is higher than a 91.

[WaitTilNextYear]

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Will this roster be more filler-centered like the Revision Roster or prospect-centered like OSFM?

The goal is to have the best possible mix of both and it's being done on a case-by-case basis. For example, we aren't excluding younger prospects like Ozhaino Albies and Alex Reyes because of their age. There are also some 29-year-old minor league RPs in there.

One way you can think about it is...if people want nothing but young prospects and absolutely no minor league depth, then there are more than enough rosters out there to import from. What our roster hopes to bring in addition to balance is some players that aren't in any other rosters yet, which will make the pool of players people can choose from a little bit larger.

[zizzle062]

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By near future do you mean sometime in July? I understand asking these questions are a bit annoying just excited for these rosters and to start my new franchise

[ajc023]

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1) Yep, this will be edited from the thread

2) Prospects have been added that you won't find on any other roster: Rookie Davis and others to the Yanks, Jharel Cotton, Jacob Rhame, and more to the Dodgers, Jordan Patterson to the Rockies, Gabriel Quintana, Auston Bousfield, Duanel Jones, Fernando Perez to the Padres, Brian Holmes, Adrian Houser, and Jason Martin to the Astros, etc.... etc. You get the point. I'm very diligent when it comes to who to include. This is not to say that these guys are filling up AAA rosters either. Players will be assigned to the appropriate levels.

These prospect you mention im currently working on it.Just curious teeds,wake why not a update roster with latest the transactions.

[WaitTilNextYear]

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By near future do you mean sometime in July? I understand asking these questions are a bit annoying just excited for these rosters and to start my new franchise

Yes, ETA questions are annoying, but I do understand where they're coming from and try not to take it personally. Unfortunately I am not getting any more specific than "near future" and folks are just going to have to keep their anxiety in check. Let's just say that if we had a long ways to go yet, I absolutely would not have started this thread at this point because answering ETA questions is among my least favorite things to do in life.

These prospect you mention im currently working on it.Just curious teeds,wake why not a update roster with latest the transactions.

Because we are the ones making the roster and we want it to be an opening day roster. No offense, but we can't be all things to all people, sorry, and obviously our preferences are going to be reflected in our work.

[redsox4evur]

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If you are looking at real life stats right now one would continue to think that the league is headed in the direction of a pitcher dominant league. At least that's way I am seeing it right now. I'm also not saying we are going back to an era where the leading hitter is going to hit .270 with 20 HR's and 80 RBI's. So why are changing things to make the game different from what it could be in real life. I mean you are seeing guys like Scherzer and Sale both dominating the league right now. Scherzer in a span of time only gave up 1 run over like 34 innings or something like that. And Sale just had a streak of 8 games with AT LEAST 10 K's snapped last night. I mean the top 10 ERA leaders in the whole league with ties range from 1.48 up to 2.40. And the top 25 including ties is like 3.08 or so. And these are all guys with 15-18 games started so they meet the requirements for ERA leader. I'm just curious that's all. Because this seems to be the trend IRL. Not knocking your work at all.

[WaitTilNextYear]

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If you are looking at real life stats right now one would continue to think that the league is headed in the direction of a pitcher dominant league. At least that's way I am seeing it right now. I'm also not saying we are going back to an era where the leading hitter is going to hit .270 with 20 HR's and 80 RBI's. So why are changing things to make the game different from what it could be in real life. I mean you are seeing guys like Scherzer and Sale both dominating the league right now. Scherzer in a span of time only gave up 1 run over like 34 innings or something like that. And Sale just had a streak of 8 games with AT LEAST 10 K's snapped last night. I mean the top 10 ERA leaders in the whole league with ties range from 1.48 up to 2.40. And the top 25 including ties is like 3.08 or so. And these are all guys with 15-18 games started so they meet the requirements for ERA leader. I'm just curious that's all. Because this seems to be the trend IRL. Not knocking your work at all.

I'm not sure I understand exactly what your point is here, but if it's that we should keep the pitcher ratings as is, then you don't understand how bad the sim stats can get in the future of this game. We're talking nobody hitting .300, we're talking every Tom, Dick, and Harry approaching 1.5 ERA's and 300 K's. No, that's not where real life is headed and we've designed this roster to be true to real life while not letting that happen.

As an aside, if you look at the stats this season compared to last, we are seeing it level off some. Both runs scored and HR's are up ever so slightly from last year. The median ERA is up from 3.58 last year to 3.91 this year. The league was trending toward more pitching, but that might be stopping...we may be leveling off.

Correct me if I didn't properly understand the point you were trying to make.

[redsox4evur]

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I'm not sure I understand exactly what your point is here, but if it's that we should keep the pitcher ratings as is, then you don't understand how bad the sim stats can get in the future of this game. We're talking nobody hitting .300, we're talking every Tom, Dick, and Harry approaching 1.5 ERA's and 300 K's. No, that's not where real life is headed and we've designed this roster to be true to real life while not letting that happen.

As an aside, if you look at the stats this season compared to last, we are seeing it level off some. Both runs scored and HR's are up ever so slightly from last year. The median ERA is up from 3.58 last year to 3.91 this year. The league was trending toward more pitching, but that maybe be stopping...we may be leveling off.

Correct me if I didn't properly understand the point you were trying to make.

Yea that kinda explains what I am getting at. And I understand the stock rating are bad but I guess I didn't it expect to be that bad.

[WaitTilNextYear]

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Yea that kinda explains what I am getting at. And I understand the stock rating are bad but I guess I didn't it expect to be that bad.

I also shouldn't overstate the issue. If you pick up the SCEA live roster or an OSFM version, the stats will likely be pretty good for the first 5 years give or take. You might not even notice anything odd. Don't want to scare anyone, lol..deeper into the mode can get a bit dicey depending on your roster.

[CaseIH]

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Yes, ETA questions are annoying, but I do understand where they're coming from and try not to take it personally. Unfortunately I am not getting any more specific than "near future" and folks are just going to have to keep their anxiety in check. Let's just say that if we had a long ways to go yet, I absolutely would not have started this thread at this point because answering ETA questions is among my least favorite things to do in life.



Because we are the ones making the roster and we want it to be an opening day roster. No offense, but we can't be all things to all people, sorry, and obviously our preferences are going to be reflected in our work.

So glad to hear this roster is going to be opening day set, its always made more sense to me to do it that way than to update all the moves. I like making those moves at the time they happened IRL in my franchise. Definitely interested now in this roster with it being set to opening day. I really like how you guys have put so much time and thought into the edits made, and the consistency of the roster, so there isn't any bias towards certain teams or players. Looking forward to seeing this once its all done.

[johntait1]

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I'm really excited for this roster in franchise mode with the edits you have made. Out of curiosity, what would be the best way to edit drafted players so that they don't dominate the prospects in the roster? Also, what scouting method would you guys recommend given the recent thread about how scouting is broken? Thanks for any recommendations.