Layup Strips Are Better Now (Is That a Good Thing)?

[JedAustin]

Am I the only one that felt like ripping the ball in the paint was already far too easy?

[Rockie_Fresh88]

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Yeah I did too honestly .but I'm sure they meant in a non abusive way

[JedAustin]

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Sounded to me like they made it easier to rip people attacking the basket. Which is already one of the most annoying things about the game. Especially since its almost always the defenses ball afterwards. I imagine this will also make you more vulnerable after an offensive rebound as well which would be pretty bad

[shayellis]

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Sounded to me like they made it easier to rip people attacking the basket. Which is already one of the most annoying things about the game. Especially since its almost always the defenses ball afterwards. I imagine this will also make you more vulnerable after an offensive rebound as well which would be pretty bad

Im also worrried about that, to me, there should be more fouls on these steal attempts in general

[Jrocc23]

Layup strips are better now?

As a 6' PG and my only way to defend in the paint, leave it the way it is 2K lol.

But honestly, I didn't think it was too bad in 2K15. Maybe in Park Mode since it wasn't a penalty for it, just would make the offense inbound the ball again which was better than giving up a easy layup or dunk. But in regular games, I felt like it was called a foul a lot of times as well. Haven't had a huge issue with this maybe since 2K8? Where it happened ALL the time w/ no foul call.

[hedop]

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Even my Center was able to average 2 steals on HOF by stripping guys in the post... so yeah... it kinda already was fairly bad.

[The 24th Letter]

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I hope its a good counter to the newly implemented standing dunks...

[JedAustin]

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All I can envision is more asnimations where a defender teleports from 5-6 feet out of the play and strips the ballhandler. The ones that come from behind are especially bad.

[ChaseB]

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Obviously everything is just about balance, but that stuck out to me as a potential point of concern as well. I always feel like there should be less of a focus on pressing the steal button, not more. Focus on help defense and on-ball defense being a strength so you feel powerful enough that your tactics can drive you to success without having to spam a steal button. It's not as if I don't think fouls will be called, but the timing window should be super small on layup strips and be driven by ratings of course.

After all, there's still players who excel at on-ball steals or off-ball steals, but it's not like strips are a common NBA thing. I would bet good money most NBA turnovers are caused by team defense or putting a player into an uncomfortable position rather than just snatching a ball away. Layup strips are a last resort much of the time unless you're help side. Reaching back in when beat from behind to go for the strip is a super low percentage/high foul rate play. In 2K, I already feel you can close tons of space and get those strips -- especially on breakaway attempts -- with most players.

In the post, I feel that poke out animation is probably overdone at this point as well.

But like with everything else, it's a wait and see and just notice how it's tuned.

[JedAustin]

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I hope it is balanced. Only thing is it was unbalanced before and they seemed to think it needs to be more prominent based on how it was worded. Also, like I said, I fear this same mechanic is what's causing offensive rebounders to lose the ball at such an alarming rate.

[hedop]

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I hope it is balanced. Only thing is it was unbalanced before and they seemed to think it needs to be more prominent based on how it was worded. Also, like I said, I fear this same mechanic is what's causing offensive rebounders to lose the ball at such an alarming rate.

I agree... tbh I would have felt that the post game needed much more improvement then the destruction of a traditional post game. It is for example nearly impossible to throw it down after an offensive rebound like drummond or davis even if you actually have drummond or davis or jordan... they usually tend to go for the layup because the colision is so massive. Same goes for the traditional Shaq shimmy... basically the stuff that Davis does as well... do a sort of dream shake and then smash it in.. doesn't happen and now the post game is gonna be even more difficult? Mhhm dunno.

[ChaseB]

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I agree... tbh I would have felt that the post game needed much more improvement then the destruction of a traditional post game. It is for example nearly impossible to throw it down after an offensive rebound like drummond or davis even if you actually have drummond or davis or jordan... they usually tend to go for the layup because the colision is so massive. Same goes for the traditional Shaq shimmy... basically the stuff that Davis does as well... do a sort of dream shake and then smash it in.. doesn't happen and now the post game is gonna be even more difficult? Mhhm dunno.

Right, you're saying it's nearly impossible to throw it down after an O-board because of all the strips, right? I tend to agree. I think there was a point where it was too easy to dunk everything, but it's gone back too far the other way now.

Post game is tough in this day and age though. I believe more there's a lack of dominant back to the basket bigs rather than it's dying or small ball is the wave of the future, but it's hard to argue against the fact that teams make it much harder to even get the ball in the post these days, and are more ready to double in a hurry. I almost feel like being able to better deal with double teams and passing out of the post should be more of a focus than how to finish in the post.

[HowDareI]

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The problem with people being stripped while driving is 75% of the time the ball goes the wrong way.

I clearly see the ball get stripped by defense, but instead of the ball staying with the offense the d gets rewarded the ball. And other times you can clearly see the d strip the ball and hit the offensive player's leg and it doesn't change possession.

The thing I don't like about steals is sometimes it's too easy to get an onball steal too. You rarely ever see an NBA player get stripped in a one on one situation. Now if you bring a double or trap then okay that makes sense.

[TheDuggler]

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He didn't really say better, he said more reliable. It could mean that they are even stronger now (hopefully not) or just that in scenarios where a strip might make sense you will see them where you might not have before.


Maybe if this becomes big enough we can summon the 2K God to come and clear it up for us

[hedop]

Re: Layup Strips Are Better Now (Is That a Good Thing)?

Right, you're saying it's nearly impossible to throw it down after an O-board because of all the strips, right? I tend to agree. I think there was a point where it was too easy to dunk everything, but it's gone back too far the other way now.

Post game is tough in this day and age though. I believe more there's a lack of dominant back to the basket bigs rather than it's dying or small ball is the wave of the future, but it's hard to argue against the fact that teams make it much harder to even get the ball in the post these days, and are more ready to double in a hurry. I almost feel like being able to better deal with double teams and passing out of the post should be more of a focus than how to finish in the post.

In General it's too hard to dominate if you have the ball in the paint but getting stripped like crazy from behind while posting up is one of the reasons. There are great post players in the league: Anthony Davis, Tim Duncan, Lamarcus Aldridge, Zach Randolp, Marc Gasol, Pau Gasol, Joakim Noah, Brooke Lopez, etc. and a lot of those guys actually have the power to thunder those things through 2 out 3 times if they get the orange in the post like AD, Greg Monroe, Demarcus Cousins or Andre Drummond... yet in game... they are as soft as *****willows... unless they actually drive to the hoop which, apart from AD, is nearly impossible because of their sluggishness and missing quickness, they can't do a standing dunk or a one step dunk to save their lives... in real life though they thunder a third of their points through the hoop that way.