Hardcore Simulation FIFA 16 Sliders

[ricardodc]

Greetings!

FIFA 16 World Class or Legendary difficulty levels at default are not fun neither realistic. CPU gameplay is near perfect. Playing against Barcelona or any low rated team is almost the same. Near perfect defending, tackling and passing are very annoying. Real football is also about making errors, not always perfection. Sliders can make WC better, challenging, but it continues to be a frustrating unrealistic experience.

Professional difficult level is the best way we currently have to simulate real football and stats. Because at default pro difficulty is very easy for most users, the set tries to make games more USER/CPU balanced. But, playing unbalanced teams needs to originate unbalanced results (most of the times). That is an essential issue when a set tries to simulate RL.

Give a try to the following sets. Maybe one will fit your expectations. If you choose to play with any, post here your experience.


PROFESSIONAL
15 Mins (or 10 to 20 Mins)
Slow Speed
Legacy defending (also works with tactical)
v1.07

Suggested configuration (or User preference):
Auto switching: air balls
Move assistance: none
Passing power assistance: off
Pass assist: manual
Through ball assist: manual
Shot assist: manual
Cross assist: semi
Lob pass assist: manual
Save assistance: assisted


Set R by ricardodc

User/CPU
Sprint Speed - 52/53
Acceleration - 49/50
Shot Error - 57/44
Pass Error - 57/57
Shot Speed - 51/51
Pass Speed - 51/51
Injury Freq - 85/85
Injury Severity - 55/55
GK Ability - 50/50
Marking - 78/78
Run Frequency - 1/1
Line Height - 65/65
Line Length - 50/50
Line Width - 50/50
FB Positioning - 75/75
FT Control - 87/57
Power Bar - 48


Set D by The Old Dane

User/CPU
Sprint Speed - 51/52
Acceleration - 48/50 (or 49/50 when playing full manual)
Shot Error - 55/55
Pass Error - 55/55
Shot Speed - 51/51
Pass Speed - 50/50
Injury Freq - 90/90
Injury Severity - 60/60
GK Ability - 50/50
Marking - 60/60
Run Frequency - 1/1
Line Height - 55/50
Line Length - 55/50
Line Width - 48/50
FB Positioning - 50/50
FT Control - 80/60
Power Bar - 50 or user free


Set B by Bixer

7 minute halves, Tactical defending

User/CPU
Sprint Speed - 49/52
Acceleration - 48/51
Shot Error - 54/44
Pass Error - 57/52
Shot Speed - 53/53
Pass Speed - 44/44
Injury Frequency - 99/99
Injury Severity - 70/70
Goalkeeper Ability - 50/50
Marking - 63/63
Run Frequency - 1/1
Line Height - 59/59
Line Length - 37/37
Line Width - 51/51
Full Back Positioning - 1/1
First Touch Control Error - 62/62
Power Bar - 50


Set A by Aaron458f

15 minute halves, Full manual controls, Tactical defending

User/CPU
Sprint Speed - 50/51
Acceleration - 49/50
Shot Error - 55/52 or 55/45
Pass Error - 57/52 or 57/57
Shot Speed - 51/51
Pass Speed - 45/45
Injury Freq - 73/73
Injury Severity - 60/60
GK Ability - 51/51
Marking - 68/68
Run Frequency - 1/1
Line Height - 60/60
Line Length - 50/50
Line Width - 52/52
FB Positioning - 50/50 or 100/100
FT Control - 87/60 or 90/57
Power Bar - 50



CM gameplay videos: Set R

Villa Braves playing Leeds United (S1&S2)/Portsmouth (S3) career mode at: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?lis...kjJZcT_ynoo68g

Ric77pt playing Sheffield Wednesday (S1) career mode at: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?lis...olg7y_xPw4iSOv



My thanks to all that contributed to the thread, with testing, suggestions and thoughts.

I am always open for suggestions to improve and make it as realistic as possible.

Regards!
Ricardo

[fideco]

Re: Hardcore Simulation FIFA 16 Sliders

Greetings!

Been searching all over the internet for the set of sliders that while being most closer to RL than possible are fun to play. Nothing came to satisfy me. So, I gathered some ideas from other sets and came to the following:

PROFESSIONAL
20 Mins, Mix Assisted/Semi/Manual
Slow
Legacy defending


User/CPU
Sprint Speed - 50/55
Acceleration - 49/51
Shot Error - 57/57
Pass Error- 50/58
Shot Speed- 49/49
Pass Speed - 49/49
Injury Freq - 65/65
Injury Severity - 40/40
GK Ability- 49/49
Marking- 55/60
Run Frequency - 10/10
Line Height - 55/55
Line Length - 35/35
Line Width - 100/100
FB Positioning - 55/55
FT Control - 55/55

My comments for the values:

Sprint Speed: just a little boost to CPU to make it harder
Acceleration: same here
Shot Error: at default shots look very effective
Pass Error: with semi-assisted I make enough passing errors, while CPU doesn’t. 60 looks too much, breaking almost all CPU crosses
Shot Speed: at default shots look a little too quick
Pass Speed: same here. Don't like lower values because it slows CPU build up too much
Injury Freq and Severity: adding some minor injuries
GK Ability: GK at default are a little too strong
Marking: to make it harder
Run Frequency: even at 10 players make realistic runs. At default they are constantly moving forward
Line Height, Length and Width: as suggested in Community sliders
FB Positioning: at default FB are too static sitting at the back
FT Control: adds some FT errors to make it more realistic

The main idea is that real football is mainly an ERROR based sport. That's why the scores are so low compared with other sports. Even top teams and players make many mistakes and sometimes increadible ones.
FIFA 16 WC or Legendary are not fun neither realistic. CPU gameplay is near perfect. Variation in CPU is very limited. Short secure passes are the rule. Perfect defending, tackles and interceptions are very frustrating. Sliders can't do much to humanize CPU at those difficult levels.
Unless you are a very good FIFA player, PRO is the only way to go. Because at default pro difficulty is somehow easy, the set tries to make games more difficult and realistic.

Check the following videos to see how the set plays.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IqlIWsLRi2g

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c-ii_qvgybU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=22R7ZpfYe6M

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7xwQY4lJUm4

I am open for suggestions to improve and make it as realistic as possible.

Regards!
Ricardo
http://www.twitch.tv/ric77pt

Hi there
Sorry for my English, it's not my native language.
Thanks for posting your slides. I'm a fan of professional mode too.
Unfortunately, the structural weakness of the cpu in PRO mode is a big issue..
No offense, but looking at the videso it seems to me that your slides unfortunately have not solved it.
More fouls and pressure by cpu are needed.
However i'l give them a go.
Keep up the work, anyway, because it's very unusual to see Slides on pro mode.

[ricardodc]

Re: Hardcore Simulation FIFA 16 Sliders

Hi there
Sorry for my English, it's not my native language.
Thanks for posting your slides. I'm a fan of professional mode too.
Unfortunately, the structural weakness of the cpu in PRO mode is a big issue..
No offense, but looking at the videso it seems to me that your slides unfortunately have not solved it.
More fouls and pressure by cpu are needed.
However i'l give them a go.
Keep up the work, anyway, because it's very unusual to see Slides on pro mode.

Thanks for your opinion. If you find out a way to improve the set please share here.

For now I will test lower shot error for CPU and increase Marking.

EDIT: did some testing and really like the results. Added a little more difficulty. Now started to experience all ranges of scores (D 1-1, L 2-5, V 0-1). Total shots are good (between 10-20) with nearly 50% on goal both human and CPU. Possetion not far from 50%. Some fouls and cards. Will edit the OP.

[xicpanad]

Re: Hardcore Simulation FIFA 16 Sliders

Cheers from Portugal!

I didn´t test your sliders but I did test lots of settings, and I´m currently playing World Class default sliders. I do like the approach from CPU on Pro level but like you said, it´s too easy. I don´t want to mess with sliders anymore because they change the fundamentals of the game, and then we never know if something happened from the program it self, or the sliders we´re using. Anyway, I just looking at yours and watching the videos, I would recommend you to increase Run frequency, mainly for CPU. I understand you want that slow approach, but CPU needs a bit more power on their attacks through all the match, not just when thei´re loosing.
Cheers

[ricardodc]

Re: Hardcore Simulation FIFA 16 Sliders

Cheers from Portugal!

I didn´t test your sliders but I did test lots of settings, and I´m currently playing World Class default sliders. I do like the approach from CPU on Pro level but like you said, it´s too easy. I don´t want to mess with sliders anymore because they change the fundamentals of the game, and then we never know if something happened from the program it self, or the sliders we´re using. Anyway, I just looking at yours and watching the videos, I would recommend you to increase Run frequency, mainly for CPU. I understand you want that slow approach, but CPU needs a bit more power on their attacks through all the match, not just when thei´re loosing.
Cheers

Boas!

Please test the set so I can have some feedback.

I understand your need to keep it at default. I have tried it many times, at PRO, WC and Legendary. Also tried other people sets of sliders and the Community Sliders too. Believe me, I tried almost everything! But I failed to have FUN and got very frustrated with CPU gameplay. My set targets other players that feel the same way when playing at WC/Legendary.

About RF, what value do you suggest?

Thanks!

[xicpanad]

Re: Hardcore Simulation FIFA 16 Sliders

I would sugest at least around 35. They won´t be super attacking, and you might have to use defensive/attacking mentalities throughout the match. But it all depends on each one´s ability on the game after all.

[ricardodc]

Re: Hardcore Simulation FIFA 16 Sliders

I would sugest at least around 35. They won´t be super attacking, and you might have to use defensive/attacking mentalities throughout the match. But it all depends on each one´s ability on the game after all.

I will test it. Thanks!

[ricardodc]

Re: Hardcore Simulation FIFA 16 Sliders

Having great games with the lattest set. Fun and diverse. Don't think I will need to change it much more. Check the stats and videos (on OP):

Newcastle (CPU) vs Southampton

Score 2 -3
Shots 15 - 7
On target 5 - 5 (CPU shot error 51)
Possession 50 - 50
Tackles 12 - 24
Fouls 0 - 4
Off-sides 0 - 0
Corners 5 - 2
Pass accuracy 87 - 85

[ricardodc]

Re: Hardcore Simulation FIFA 16 Sliders

Southampton vs Everton (CPU)

Score 1 -0
Shots 5 - 11
On target 2 - 4 (CPU shot error 51)
Possession 52 - 48
Tackles 22 - 14
Fouls 7 - 8
Off-sides 0 - 3
Corners 1 - 4
Pass accuracy 80 - 85

[ricardodc]

Re: Hardcore Simulation FIFA 16 Sliders

Watford (CPU) vs Southampton

Score 1 -2
Shots 21 - 7
On target 8 - 3 (CPU shot error 51)
Possession 51 - 49
Tackles 19 - 15
Fouls 4 - 3
Off-sides 2 - 0
Corners 7 - 3
Pass accuracy 85 - 81 (CPU was 80! at half-time)

[ricardodc]

Re: Hardcore Simulation FIFA 16 Sliders

Southampton vs FC Thun (CPU)

Score 3 -3
Shots 13 - 14
On target 6 - 8
Possession 49 - 51
Tackles 22 - 11
Fouls 3 - 5
Off-sides 3 - 0
Corners 2 - 5
Pass accuracy 82 - 89

[ricardodc]

Re: Hardcore Simulation FIFA 16 Sliders

Southampton vs Manchester United (CPU)

Score 0 -0
Shots 5 - 13
On target 4 - 4
Possession 51 - 49
Tackles 20 - 16
Fouls 5 - 1
Off-sides 2 - 4
Corners 3 - 5
Pass accuracy 83 - 87

[fideco]

Re: Hardcore Simulation FIFA 16 Sliders

Southampton vs FC Thun (CPU)

Score 3 -3
Shots 13 - 14
On target 6 - 8
Possession 49 - 51
Tackles 22 - 11
Fouls 3 - 5
Off-sides 3 - 0
Corners 2 - 5
Pass accuracy 82 - 89

Last stats are really looking good!
Going to try new version.
Thanks for your efforts on PRO mode!

EDIT:
Forgot to ask..
Which Version patch are now you playing on?
1.01 or 1.02?

[ricardodc]

Re: Hardcore Simulation FIFA 16 Sliders

Last stats are really looking good!
Going to try new version.
Thanks for your efforts on PRO mode!

EDIT:
Forgot to ask..
Which Version patch are now you playing on?
1.01 or 1.02?

Thanks! I would love to have some feedback.

Was v1.02 on PS4. I guess v1.03 has no gameplay changes.

What I like and seek is all kinds of scores and stats (2-3, 1-0, 3-3, 0-0, etc). I also think it's crucial to have as much CPU gameplay variation as possible, so games don't become repetitive and boring.

Regards!

[ricardodc]

Re: Hardcore Simulation FIFA 16 Sliders

Todays adjustment: due to an excessive decrease of user players reaction time, I increased acceleration for user from 48 to 49. Changed speed to compensate and keep the balance of the set.

First test:

Aberdeen (CPU) vs Southampton

Score 2 -3
Shots 18 - 14
On target 8 - 5
Possession 51 - 49
Tackles 18 - 21
Fouls 7 - 3
Offsides 1 - 1
Corners 10 - 2
Pass accuracy 86 - 78