(This is concerning online play, i realize and understand offline players don't want caps at all etc etc... please don't derail the thread with your complaints. Thanks.)
Short version: The current implementation of the strict caps discriminates against pf (especially) and sf (somewhat), in pro-am anyway. Solution: Give us all 120 upgrades instead of just 100. Question at the bottom if you skip my long-winded explanation.
2k needs to keep the following in mind:
- pg/sg, most will just leave rebounding empty and max out everything else, they don't need that bucket at all. (Not to mention, i'm pretty sure most bigs don't want their teammate pg/sg to come crashing the off boards anyway, their job is transition defense and not hinder their teammate bigs from getting position on the glass.)
- center, let's be honest most in pro am are the 7'3 inside build and camp in (3 sec 2k? not 6 or 7) the paint all game. Most will just max out the main ones (inside scoring, athleticism, rebounding and defense) and then distribute the remaining 20 upgrades between outside (free throws) and playmaking (outlet passes) however they see fit. Point is, like the guards, they don't have to pick and choose as much as a pf or even a sf to a lesser degree.
- sf, technically you can just leave rebounding empty like the guards BUT unlike them it will hurt your performance a little bit at this position. So if you want a little rebounding you'll be in a similar mess as the pf which i describe below.
- pf, you need all off the attributes. Outside (mr 7'3 is camping out in the paint so you need to at least be able to hit mid range), inside (you're still a big so obviously you'll regularly end up in the paint, especially since even if you want to be a stretch 4 it's not like you can be truly dangerous doing that with the 3pt capping at 75), athleticism (you'll rarely go up against a regular 6-9/6-10 pf so you'll need speed/acceleration against sf's and vert/strength against centers), playmaking (least important but still... outlet passes, and if you're undersized ball control as well to take slower defenders of the dribble or run the break), defense (lateral quickness to guard small forwards, steal to guard centers)
Now, how can we even out the playing field to make pf/sf as effective as the rest? Simple, assuming the bucket system stays, just let everyone end up with all 120 attribute upgrades instead of the current 100. Problem solved:
- Pg's and sg's will now max out their rebounding at about 70-80 which won't concern most bigs. The boxing out needs some work though, small players can still box out stronger/bigger players with better rebounding ratings too easily.
- The typical pro am 7'3 inside centers can now max out outside if they want and get a 60 mid which won't concern anyone. The 75 passing might be a concern to some with regard to outlet passing becoming more successful. Personally, i don't consider that a bad thing though. It'll (should, probably won't, they'll just complain) encourage people to pay more attention to transition defense. Obviously, interception/deflection success will need to be upped though. Too many passes going through when you're pressing steal in the passing lane.
- Sf's can still be the all around weapons they're supposed to be AND make their presence felt on the boards.
- Pf no longer has to choose between being handicapped in 1 or 2 vital areas and being mediocre at everything.
I hope that makes sense. Please don't derail the thread with your opinion of how you think the bucket system and/or the strict caps is/are awful and you want to be able to upgrade attributes individually, etc, etc. This is assuming the bucket system and strict caps stay the same. Question: Do you agree that 120 upgrades would even the playing field? Or do you believe that power forwards aren't at a disadvantage in pro am?
Short version: The current implementation of the strict caps discriminates against pf (especially) and sf (somewhat), in pro-am anyway. Solution: Give us all 120 upgrades instead of just 100. Question at the bottom if you skip my long-winded explanation.
2k needs to keep the following in mind:
- pg/sg, most will just leave rebounding empty and max out everything else, they don't need that bucket at all. (Not to mention, i'm pretty sure most bigs don't want their teammate pg/sg to come crashing the off boards anyway, their job is transition defense and not hinder their teammate bigs from getting position on the glass.)
- center, let's be honest most in pro am are the 7'3 inside build and camp in (3 sec 2k? not 6 or 7) the paint all game. Most will just max out the main ones (inside scoring, athleticism, rebounding and defense) and then distribute the remaining 20 upgrades between outside (free throws) and playmaking (outlet passes) however they see fit. Point is, like the guards, they don't have to pick and choose as much as a pf or even a sf to a lesser degree.
- sf, technically you can just leave rebounding empty like the guards BUT unlike them it will hurt your performance a little bit at this position. So if you want a little rebounding you'll be in a similar mess as the pf which i describe below.
- pf, you need all off the attributes. Outside (mr 7'3 is camping out in the paint so you need to at least be able to hit mid range), inside (you're still a big so obviously you'll regularly end up in the paint, especially since even if you want to be a stretch 4 it's not like you can be truly dangerous doing that with the 3pt capping at 75), athleticism (you'll rarely go up against a regular 6-9/6-10 pf so you'll need speed/acceleration against sf's and vert/strength against centers), playmaking (least important but still... outlet passes, and if you're undersized ball control as well to take slower defenders of the dribble or run the break), defense (lateral quickness to guard small forwards, steal to guard centers)
Now, how can we even out the playing field to make pf/sf as effective as the rest? Simple, assuming the bucket system stays, just let everyone end up with all 120 attribute upgrades instead of the current 100. Problem solved:
- Pg's and sg's will now max out their rebounding at about 70-80 which won't concern most bigs. The boxing out needs some work though, small players can still box out stronger/bigger players with better rebounding ratings too easily.
- The typical pro am 7'3 inside centers can now max out outside if they want and get a 60 mid which won't concern anyone. The 75 passing might be a concern to some with regard to outlet passing becoming more successful. Personally, i don't consider that a bad thing though. It'll (should, probably won't, they'll just complain) encourage people to pay more attention to transition defense. Obviously, interception/deflection success will need to be upped though. Too many passes going through when you're pressing steal in the passing lane.
- Sf's can still be the all around weapons they're supposed to be AND make their presence felt on the boards.
- Pf no longer has to choose between being handicapped in 1 or 2 vital areas and being mediocre at everything.
I hope that makes sense. Please don't derail the thread with your opinion of how you think the bucket system and/or the strict caps is/are awful and you want to be able to upgrade attributes individually, etc, etc. This is assuming the bucket system and strict caps stay the same. Question: Do you agree that 120 upgrades would even the playing field? Or do you believe that power forwards aren't at a disadvantage in pro am?
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