Allen Iverson? Underrated in myteam?

[kabamaru]

I really can't believe what 2k hoes done in A.I.

His stats are messed up. His best card is a Diamond '06 (which is not even released) when this year 76ers didn't do anything in the league. '06? He was the Answer in '01.

His '01 performances were out of this planet yet he gets a 93 overall?

Lower than D-Rose MVP? He took ALONE an average team and tried the biggest upset ever. It was a David vs Goliath match-up vs the Lakers of Shaq and A.I. was RELENTLESS.

A.I. was maybe the most influentional player in the League after M.J era.

His represented the new generation, the 'out of the rules", the definition of Swagging.

Problem is of course his height. In game he get's blocked all the time. But A.I. could drive relentlessly. You never got the feeling that he will get blocked. Also he was stronger than his rating suggest. You could increase it and he would become a better finisher as he was irl.

Also since mid-range is so difficult in 2k16 (as most mid-ranges result to a contest shot, thus a miss shot) it is difficult to do those pull-ups.

Also his model doens't look very alike. His legs are thicker and his face looks weird.

Man, A.I was a cover player for 2k...

Should have been much better.

I can only wish there was a moments card of his 48 points against Shaq, Kobe (and that sick step over Lue).

[AdmiralAckbar]

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They gave the '06 version a diamond because he averaged a career high 33 PPG and led the league in minutes played.

Tbh, the ratings never made much sense after the TBT one game performance cards (Jamal Crawford, Ty Lawson) came out.

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[justlaze]

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Hello people,

I managed to snipe a Diamond A.I. for 180k with 33 Gold Badges lately. The card had also a shoe attached which boosted the 3PT rating by 3 (silver shoe called soaring 5 7 I believe, see attachment). When I tried to apply the shoe myself it gave me the error "only reebok shoes possible on AI..."

How did the person putting up the card managed to glitch that? Is there any trick?!
I would love to boost his 3PT shot if possible.

[Defconxx]

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If you already have 10 shoes of a kind when you open packs, you can apply the ones you pull in excess to any player, just choose apply to player when the games asks you what you want to do with them. Can't be done by buying shoes off the auction house.

[harryl]

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If you already have 10 shoes of a kind when you open packs, you can apply the ones you pull in excess to any player, just choose apply to player when the games asks you what you want to do with them. Can't be done by buying shoes off the auction house.

Can also be done with "surplus" shoes won in Gauntlet pulls.

[justlaze]

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thanks guys i'm going to stack those +3 3PTs then

[lowsingles]

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His amethyst is rated correctly, his diamond is overrated in my opinion. On the same token, nearly every diamond in this game is overrated... and to your point rose is overrated as well. To me the only players in the 98-99 range should be the top 5 of all time, and the only diamonds should be roughly the top 5 players at each position. The fantasy diamonds ruined everything. You can look at several custom rosters and nearly all of them are more accurate and have more effort put into them than these cards in myteam, but that's what happens when you have mongoloid businessman running the mode instead of people who know basketball.

On the midrange point.... yes it is broken. Players like iverson, Robertson, bird, etc. thrived off hitting pull-up mids right in your eye, but on 2k these shots would be an F almost every time.At the same time it would require no skill to do this in game if you made the midrange accurate to real-life scale.... but I think they should try to find a balance. One thing else about Iverson is his explosive handle. They should split up ball control into actual handles and ball security... and iverson should have the best handles in the game imo.

[harryl]

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His amethyst is rated correctly, his diamond is overrated in my opinion. On the same token, nearly every diamond in this game is overrated... and to your point rose is overrated as well. To me the only players in the 98-99 range should be the top 5 of all time, and the only diamonds should be roughly the top 5 players at each position.

I get what you're saying and agree with you in principle. Consider that OVR Rating and color classes are pretty arbitrary, as the OVR is derived from a formula that gives different weights to different ratings. And the color classes are arbitrary in the sense that there's little difference between an 89 OVR and a 90 OVR. And, also, Badges make a big difference.

On Iverson in the game...like other small players, he just gets hurt by how the game weights the proximity of defenders unrealistically, as others have noted. Also, how easy it is to block shots and/or alter them drastically.

I think a fundamental problem is the size of the court, relative to the size of the players. The court is not big enough, relative to the players. So it's hard to create enough separation for a lightly contested shot in the midrange. Doing it off the dribble requires really bad misplay by the defender. Otherwise, it pretty much requires a very effective screen.

My guess is that the dynamics of the game already make it hard to defend and if the court were "true size," then offense would be overweighted. Not sure if there is a good compromise for all concerns.

[kabamaru]

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Should players have realistic ratings based on historical scale as promised it wouldn't be hard too defend at all. when played in superstar or hof.

Now if there are multi-diamonds, DR-J with 88 3, Kobes with plus 90 3s etc and full diamond-amethyst squads of course it is hard to defend.

Size plays a big role in real basketball as well but Iverson, Chris Paul etc have signature pull-ups that can't be performed in game.

Court IS small, that's why zone can be very effective. To counter this 2k preferred to break stamina when playing zone.
A player will drop to 50 stamina after 2 mins of zone.

On the other hand scoring paints in the paint is TOO easy. In the start of the game, was quite ok and we believed it was an improvement vs 2k15. But the centers available were Cousins/De Andre/ Gasol etc. Now that a Walton/Pettit/Moses/Gilmore/Reed can be bought for 15k or less, it is really pathetic. Get the ball to them, do some pump-fakes for a foul or an easy dunk

And yes, explosive of the dribble is messed up. Iverson/Rose and Wall etc. do not need a sceen to just run by a Center when in match-up. The magnetic defense/bump of the Center is a foul.

Even after good picks from a Center,current LBJ for example can not start driving to the basket due to his low ball control. I mean yeah, he doesn't do size-ups, but he is explosive as hell going to the basket

[justlaze]

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Size plays a big role in real basketball as well but Iverson, Chris Paul etc have signature pull-ups that can't be performed in game.

even if size-up's aren't as strong as I wish they were, I must admit that Iverson is a beast in creating space. he is a lot of fun to use actually! even if there are better cards, which are more powerful due to game mechanics, I'm not going to sell him. it is key to get down euro steps and other animations like floaters, and then you gonna have some great time. Tbh, I was missing a character like him. especially in a pick 'n roll heavy team which I've built around him, he really started shining:

Westbrook A.I. Dr. J LeBron Howard

[lowsingles]

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Should players have realistic ratings based on historical scale as promised it wouldn't be hard too defend at all. when played in superstar or hof.

Now if there are multi-diamonds, DR-J with 88 3, Kobes with plus 90 3s etc and full diamond-amethyst squads of course it is hard to defend.

Size plays a big role in real basketball as well but Iverson, Chris Paul etc have signature pull-ups that can't be performed in game.

Court IS small, that's why zone can be very effective. To counter this 2k preferred to break stamina when playing zone.
A player will drop to 50 stamina after 2 mins of zone.

On the other hand scoring paints in the paint is TOO easy. In the start of the game, was quite ok and we believed it was an improvement vs 2k15. But the centers available were Cousins/De Andre/ Gasol etc. Now that a Walton/Pettit/Moses/Gilmore/Reed can be bought for 15k or less, it is really pathetic. Get the ball to them, do some pump-fakes for a foul or an easy dunk

And yes, explosive of the dribble is messed up. Iverson/Rose and Wall etc. do not need a sceen to just run by a Center when in match-up. The magnetic defense/bump of the Center is a foul.

Even after good picks from a Center,current LBJ for example can not start driving to the basket due to his low ball control. I mean yeah, he doesn't do size-ups, but he is explosive as hell going to the basket

This is the most accurate post I've ever read. One other thing they have messed up is finishing around the rim. Small guys on here have hardly a chance unless they have all of the space in the world. To add insult to injury guys like Paul and iverson have some of the slowest layup animations in the game. It would be cool if they fixed that and they gave an advantage for creating space and what not. I've never seen a 2K where you have a better chance of finishing if the defender is in front of you than you do when he is behind you.

I feel like the post needs its power balanced by the perimeter players. I don't see why they don't make the court bigger and reward you for creating space. I don't see any shame in there being more points scored... it's going to happen because everyone has a team full of legends. This could be balanced by patching the pump faking glitch and fixing the imbounding/transition defense (even though that's obviously not going to happen). I feel like 2k doesn't want last year to happen all over again where there were a lot of greens, but I don't feel like patch 4 was the problem. I feel like it was more result of the zig zagging abuse that 2k masterfully patched. I feel like if they combined that with the concept that not all greens go in this year and up the difficulty to superstar or hof for all seeds than there wouldn't be any problems imo. I know it's not a sim concept, but more of an Arcady concept to be able to create space and get a green release which makes me slightly uncomfortable .... but if you're emulating real life you have to acknowledge that it should be possible... they should definitely try to find a balance.

[TripleJJJay]

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One thing I don't know if it was mentioned or not, but they changed A.I's shot release. I loved his release in 2k13, 2k14, 2k15. it was butter and it was close to how he really shot. Not a fan of his current release. It's more like a set shot, which wasn't Iverson's shot.

But I think we can all agree that driving to the lane this year, especially for smaller players, is terrible. Once they re-introduced blocking shots in 2k14 it seems it has gotten worse every year. The come from behind blocks are terrible. And guys like PG13, KD, Rudy Gay, etc. Those tall athletic guys can come from behind and block shots like Dikembe better than Dikembe.

Your block rating should need to be pretty high to block a dunk, or come from behind lay up. The fact 360's dunks can get blocked by John Wall bothers me in a sim game.

[kabamaru]

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One thing I don't know if it was mentioned or not, but they changed A.I's shot release. I loved his release in 2k13, 2k14, 2k15. it was butter and it was close to how he really shot. Not a fan of his current release. It's more like a set shot, which wasn't Iverson's shot.

But I think we can all agree that driving to the lane this year, especially for smaller players, is terrible. Once they re-introduced blocking shots in 2k14 it seems it has gotten worse every year. The come from behind blocks are terrible. And guys like PG13, KD, Rudy Gay, etc. Those tall athletic guys can come from behind and block shots like Dikembe better than Dikembe.

Your block rating should need to be pretty high to block a dunk, or come from behind lay up. The fact 360's dunks can get blocked by John Wall bothers me in a sim game.

Not to mention thay you pump fake, the center falls for it and jumps, then you try to shoot, but he has time to land, jump again and get a block somehow...

[QNo]

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I don't know if the size of the court is actually the issue. It seems to me that the problem is that defenders can move way too quickly, the recovery speed is way too high.

[synistr]

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I don't know if the size of the court is actually the issue. It seems to me that the problem is that defenders can move way too quickly, the recovery speed is way too high.

I agree with this. Recovery speed is not realistic and this has been an issue for quite some time. Also, you can break an ankle and they can still recover enough to contest.

All in all, I really am not terribly disappointed in gameplay. They've done a good job. My issue is with the thread title. However, I dont believe A.I. is underrated card, just that there are soooooo many overrated cards. Without HOF scale, nothing is realistic. There are only a handful of current players that should even have cards in HOF parameters and those are the players we know are future HOF'ers.