Cheesing and the RTTP community.

[Offballer4life]

The topic that's been beaten to death.

Its time for the players to step it up. This ain't NBA JAM.

I. Just. Don't. Get. It.

Is it fun? Are you that desperate for wins? I'd bet a good portion of the forum community here are cheesers. Can you explain it to me?

Its getting to the point where even if I win, I don't even want to play another game. Rather pathetic what gameplay had turned into. Feels like a million infantile brains piled into one bucket of manure.

Turbo...lol. This just makes me smh. Some people are getting it down to a science. Its turning into where if they can't get the inbound turbo dunk, they get stopped and run in circles till a defender loses his man.

Offball...yikes. Its just the epitome of laziness. You can count to 3. Congrats. Tell cpu I said GG.

I just want to ball. Not Park style. Not Gauntlet style. 5on5. Even just a simple sim. Because diamond collectors are being rewarded by getting away w cheesing. I just got beat by 3 volume shooter diamonds. Woohoo.

I want to bring a proposal to congress at this point.

Boo to the cheese.

[kabamaru]

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Just to be fair, almost everything though can be considered as a "cheese"

Playing player out of position like KD at PF. I have been called cheeser.

Passing the ball to the inbounder when noone is marking? Cheese.

Abusing P&R since CPU is bad on help defense and revocer? Cheese.

Playing Deny to most players? Cheese

Running the same play all game long? Cheese.

Offball defense since CPU is stupid in help defense? Cheese

Abusing pumpfakes for an easy foul? Cheese.

Zone defense? Cheese

To be fair this is a NEVER-ending discussion. Everyone's definition of Cheese is different.And to an extend you can watch ANY game and call anyone a cheeser

I was here in a dicussion last year that said that you can't use T-Mac Onyx card as PG even if he was listed as SG/PG because he never really started as PG for Orlando, while you could use a possible Pistons T-Mac card as PG

Also that using PG13 as PF was cheese last year (Indiana DID it this year) and also Small ball was cheese. Kerr winning a title with Green as C would be a super cheeser.

To be honest ALL gaming mechanics breaking is 2k's fault and NOT the user's. It is a game to win. it it annoying but you can always play CPU. Morever myTeam LEARNS you all you need to know about breaking game mechanics in domination as a win by 30 points is not enough. You NEED to abuse something.

For me the ONLY real cheese which I can't stand is the VISUAL cheese. All black courts with black ball, coloured home jerseys, all white NHL courts, constantly quick pausing 300 times per game in every chance. These visual cheese should be fixed by 2k ASAP as they are easy to fix

I wish all game mechanic issues are fixed too but I am pretty sure that someone will find another game breaking issue. Up until then I am trying to find alternative solutions to counter.

[LegitSkillz]

Cheesing and the RTTP community.

1. You have Walton and Russell so turbo back on inbound plays to contain that cheese.

2. If someone is playing off-ball the entire game, call plays or use appropriate ball handling animations to lose the cpu. If the off-baller just controls the center then attack the rim (it sounds dumb but most of the time these guys jump for everything or have no clue about the mechanics of shot contesting). I usually pump fake to get the foul, draw the center out of paint for a block attempt and dump it to my big man down low. I also use the stick for all my layup attempts so if I'm attacking the big man I finish the layup or dunk opposite to the block attempt. Do this with any player that has a high draw foul rating. You will be living at the line, trust me on this. I shoot over 12 free throws a game usually. If you use buttons to finish at the rim you will not be as lucky or have full control over which hand you finish with.

3. Usually people that burn turbo in the half court (zig-zagging) I give them space. Let them run around and burn stamina. Just keep enough space so you can contest a jumper. There are not many users who can pull off step backs or shoot off the dribble. You can't stop it all the time but you can CONTAIN it. Bad shot attempts every possession will not get them the win. Just be consistent and ensure your defensive settings are adjusted.


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[lowsingles]

Re: Cheesing and the RTTP community.

You can't trust someone you have no personal connection to to stop doing whatever it is they are doing, because you can't stop it. It sucks but that's just the way it is.

[LegitSkillz]

Re: Cheesing and the RTTP community.

I hate off-ballers and before finding out how to exploit them it was frustrating. 2k needs to punish people for off-balling all game. There are situations where off-balling is necessary but not all game.


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[Offballer4life]

Re: Cheesing and the RTTP community.

Kaba: while I agree that most anything can be called cheese, I don't think watching ANY game of 2k would find someone yelling cheese. I just played a great game against a guy. No cheese whatsoever. We both used our playbooks. Both played great defense. Final was 42-38 me. Those are the game I love.

Playing out of position would be cheese 25 years ago. Nowadays most top tier sg/sf with any sort of height can play 2-4 and many do. Look at Giannis. 1-5. Bron.

Repetitive garbage that just happens to fall in the basket. The wallbrooks.

Smother deny? Cheesyyyy. But i find a lot of people reach to it If I'm up double digits. Desperate times desperate measures I guess. All game? Meh. I'll work around it.


Legit: I'm not having trouble per se....my point is just that Its inappropriate for the mode and not fun. To me at least. Different strokes for different folks.

.ride the spiral.

[Offballer4life]

Re: Cheesing and the RTTP community.

Sadly, I'm really looking forward to tuesday, not only bc I'll have a new game, but bc I know I won't miss this crap. Lol

.ride the spiral.

[kabamaru]

Re: Cheesing and the RTTP community.

Smother/Deny is reall annoying though, cause it makes MY offense so repetive. Everyone plays smother/deny to all my PG-PF. Last year this was not an issue. An pnr would lead to a dunk.

This year however ball handlers do not explode that quick after pnr, which for me at least make my game a constant manual cut.

Even though it is effective and I win most games it is really tiring that I need to do this all game long. I have no problem whatsover with what people will do with their offense, but smother/deny all stops ME from choosing how to play. And it is done by almost everyone. Well, what can you do...

[harryl]

Re: Cheesing and the RTTP community.

I hate off-ballers and before finding out how to exploit them it was frustrating. 2k needs to punish people for off-balling all game. There are situations where off-balling is necessary but not all game.

It would seem to me that, if you're talking about someone who just controls his Center and parks in the paint, then...

• Call for Pick'n'Fade with Center and make sure Center can shoot midrange or three. Then opponent has to take his Center out of the paint to cover the fade. If he doesn't, pass to Center and shoot. If he does, then penetrate to paint or take open midrange with ballhandler...or play a give'n'go and have ballhandler cut for paint after passing to Center.
• Use a post-up scoring Center and force him to either play tough post D or leave it up to the CPU to play D. CPU isn't tough to beat and, if he's a poor man-on-man post defender, then he'll be easy to score on.

Frankly, if people play off-ball, I think that makes things easier for me.

[wil_lis]

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I don't see a problem with smoother and deny, that's a actually tactic in basketball. If you have a problem with it. That's on you for not know how to do a backdoor cut or dribble hand off.

[harryl]

Re: Cheesing and the RTTP community.

I don't see a problem with smoother and deny, that's a actually tactic in basketball. If you have a problem with it. That's on you for not know how to do a backdoor cut or dribble hand off.

To be fair, OP said that he can exploit it with backdoor cuts but he finds having to use cuts as the go-to to be tiresome. Personally, I think it's fun to get easy dunks because someone is trying to Deny all wings.

[kabamaru]

Re: Cheesing and the RTTP community.

I don't see a problem with smoother and deny, that's a actually tactic in basketball. If you have a problem with it. That's on you for not know how to do a backdoor cut or dribble hand off.

Lol no man. You've read wrong. First I have no issue whatsoever. I have won seed 1 multiple times in a row using those manual cuts all game long.


Secondly NO, this is not an actual tactic in basketball. Maybe to one player yes, but playing 4 people on deny NEVER happens. Defense would not have ANY help defense and would be killed in each offense, let alone playing it all game. If you have a video though with a team playing deny 4 players for full game you may share it

Thirdly I never said I call it cheese. I only said it is boring since almost EVERY team I face use the same tactic which limits MY style of offense.

Has nothing to do with if I win ( I do cause playing deny to everyone is pretty automatic win for me and my manual cuts).

I just said it is boring that I have to do this over and over, game after game.

[kabamaru]

Re: Cheesing and the RTTP community.

To be fair, OP said that he can exploit it with backdoor cuts but he finds having to use cuts as the go-to to be tiresome. Personally, I think it's fun to get easy dunks because someone is trying to Deny all wings.

It was fun in the beggining but you 'll get grown tired as well trust me.

[Scramz718]

Cheesing and the RTTP community.

This game will never be cheese proof, especially online games vs random opponents. Most ppl that play this game aren't trying to play realistic basketball. Fun for them is jacking up threes, trying to dunk as much as possible and winning by any means.
If you want a SIM experience, you have to strictly play vs SIM heads. The gameplay for a sim experience is there. You have to filter your opponents to get that niche gameplay your looking for. On this forum there's a tread for ppl looking for sim games. It's on you on to find opponents that play up to your standards. When to hit that button to search for random opponent you can't be mad them for the way they play.

[NoLeafClover]

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I have to agree with the OP, there is just not enough punishment for spamming turbo with fast players or jacking the ball full court after inbounds every single play as even manually turboing your center back to the paint every possession doesn't always work.

They need to remove the "quick inbound pass" animation for starters, and nerf the break starter badge/make full court passes much more likely to fail.

It's gotten to the point where I just stack my roster with the fastest possible player and best defender at every position rather than players I actually truly enjoy playing, just because I know 9 out of 10 times the other team is going to be spamming fast breaks over and over again.

So yes, while you CAN stop it, it totally kills the fun of the mode and isn't realistic at all.