I hate the parry so, so much

[Supreme_Bananas]

Almost everyone I fight is the same, they walk forward holding block, and as soon as they're in range they parry the head, so if I jab I freeze up and they throw a 5 hit combo in return.

Now of course I'm supposed to mix it up, of course I can vary timing, of course I can use feints, but that's not the point. The point is that a jab should be safe to throw out, unless you slip and counter, like in actual boxing. A parried jab should not give my fighter a temporary brainfart leaving him open to 15 hit combos.

In EA UFC 3 I want effective defense to consist of movement, slipping, swaying and countering, NOT. STUPID. PARRIES

rant over
(but seriously this pisses me off)

[Boiler569]

Re: I hate the parry so, so much

they've been able to tone down the parry spam a lot since UFC 1 (and even the last couple patches made a big difference between UFC 2 Beta and now)

But yea, still a lot of parry spammin bums out there; i hate it too

[zzzeric]

Re: I hate the parry so, so much

Before patch 1 there was this guy i would olay all the time and he would only parry. It has come a long way but saying that doesn't mean much because early on it was way beyond broken

[Dave_S]

Re: I hate the parry so, so much

Parries happen all the time in mma. The issue shouldn't be with the parry. The issue is with the counter window and your ability to do nothing immediately after a parry.

Nearly every time I see a parry in real life a counter isn't thrown off of it, and it doesn't really interrupt a fighters ability to throw strikes.

[WarMMA]

Re: I hate the parry so, so much

Man me and you both. It's ridiculous how much emphasis is put on parries. The emphasis should be the more effective methods of defense like you metioned. If parries were as effective irl as EA UFC tries to make it seem, we would see fighters doing it all the time much more than trying to use good blocking or effective movement. The truth is parries are also risky and that isn't represented either in the game. But worse is they make it an over rewarded easy system, that caters to noobs so they can create easy offense. Because EA is trying so hard to make a casual friendly mma game, I doubt they will ever make a realistic parry system where you have to parry to the correct side and height of strikes, where the size of counter windows are based on the strike parried, or where eating a strike on a missed parry attempt punishes and does extra damage. Imo all this ridiculous parry system does is interrupt the flow of the striking and allow noobs to fish for easy offense.

[Trillz]

Re: I hate the parry so, so much

i personally dont mind the parry, i rarely use it but it creates a different playstyle. i personally feel you should only be able to slip in a weak strike like a jab/straight/hook etc. but ive played guys that like to try parry alot and made me change my approach to the fight to be unpredictable and tag them throughout the match. its all about changing your pattern of striking against parry people because they like to work out your pattern and try use it against you.

If we got rid of it people would be able to spam much more because there would be no punishment for throwing the same type of strike over and over. for instance some people like body spamming with the straights and jabs but if we got rid of parries they can get away with that constantly, only method against it would be movement which will make the method of defense one dimensional.

[Supreme_Bananas]

Re: I hate the parry so, so much

i personally dont mind the parry, i rarely use it but it creates a different playstyle. i personally feel you should only be able to slip in a weak strike like a jab/straight/hook etc. but ive played guys that like to try parry alot and made me change my approach to the fight to be unpredictable and tag them throughout the match. its all about changing your pattern of striking against parry people because they like to work out your pattern and try use it against you.

If we got rid of it people would be able to spam much more because there would be no punishment for throwing the same type of strike over and over. for instance some people like body spamming with the straights and jabs but if we got rid of parries they can get away with that constantly, only method against it would be movement which will make the method of defense one dimensional.

Well body spamming is another problem that needs to be adressed. With all other strikes proper distance management and sidesteps should be more than enough to open up good counter opportunities instead of parries

[Thetruth9012]

Re: I hate the parry so, so much

I have the same felling about parry just removed it EA no one want it besides guys who dont know mma...

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[Dave_S]

Re: I hate the parry so, so much

I have the same felling about parry just removed it EA no one want it besides guys who dont know mma...

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This is confusing? Parries happen all the time. This week Luke Thomas specifically talked about it in this week's Monday morning analyst.

[neoncross]

Re: I hate the parry so, so much

This is confusing? Parries happen all the time. This week Luke Thomas specifically talked about it in this week's Monday morning analyst.

NO they don't happen all the time!! They rarely happen at all and when they do they don't leave fighters wide open as if they're brain dead morons.

Trash this rubbish parry altogether or better yet make it only available for certain fighters.

[Dave_S]

Re: I hate the parry so, so much

That's not true, they do happen but you have to almost be looking for it to see it. When Valérie Létourneau fought JJ the fight started with some excellent parries.

You just might not notice it because like you said they don't leave people wide open, they are normally fast, counters aren't thrown from them that much.

Contrary to how most people play the game fighters don't cover their face like a turtle and absorb strikes on the forearms. Most fighters deflect the strikes, which is what a parry is. I only took martial arts for a year but we started learning defecting strikes almost from day one.

I just don't see how anyone can say fighters don't deflect strikes because it happens all the time. It's usually just a little push or swipe.

[WarMMA]

Re: I hate the parry so, so much

This is confusing? Parries happen all the time. This week Luke Thomas specifically talked about it in this week's Monday morning analyst.

They happen but they don't happen as much as EA UFC tries to make it seem. With this game parries seem pretty much like the main line of defense...especially for the AI. Fighters do parry irl yes, but they don't do it more than they use movement and blocking, cuz parries also come with risk. You miss time a parry, or go to the wrong side or height of a strike and it could end up being trouble. Of course, this is not represented in the game either.

[Dave_S]

Re: I hate the parry so, so much

Dude, they happen a lot. Rumble, Lawler, Machida and many others parry way more than I ever have in a ufc game.

I think it's against tos to post ufc gifs here but there are a crazy amount of examples. Some fighters frequenting do put both arms up, but while they do that their elbows are pointed out and they frequently rock their arms to deflect energy.

https://youtu.be/bavXVMtjsME

Some good info there.

[WarMMA]

Re: I hate the parry so, so much

Dude, they happen a lot. Rumble, Lawler, Machida and many others parry way more than I ever have in a ufc game.

I think it's against tos to post ufc gifs here but there are a crazy amount of examples. Some fighters frequenting do put both arms up, but while they do that their elbows are pointed out and they frequently rock their arms to deflect energy.

https://youtu.be/bavXVMtjsME

Some good info there.

Yh those are fighters that parry quite a bit you mentioned, but they don't parry more than they use overall movement, head movement and blocking. Machida is one of my fav fighters and i'll be the first to tell he uses his overall movement way more than he parries. As much as one may say he attempts parries, he was known for "running"...aka using overall movement and getting out of the way of strikes. When a strike is coming in the majority of times a fighter will move out of the way, move his head out of the way or block. Their first line of defense isn't to parry cuz parrying is not more effective than doing those things. If parrying was the most effective method of defense like EA UFC tries to make it seem, we would be seeing guys having wing chun battles all the time in the octagon and instead of moving out of the way of strikes. Main point is though the game doesn't take a realistic approach to parrying and make it seem way more effective than it really is. If they could do it in a more realistic way, i'd be all for it, but in it's current state I think it's trash and just caters to noobs that wanna fish for easy offense.

[Dave_S]

Re: I hate the parry so, so much

^^^^^

I don't disagree with that. I was just trying to stress I don't think the idea of the parry is a problem, it's just the rewards are way to high for a parry, also they are probably to easy to do. (Course in the first game they were even easier than they are now)