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  • manliest_Man
    MVP
    • May 2016
    • 1203

    #1

    This is the first time i complain about a Decision

    I know better than your average Joe,not to go online and complain about an unfair decision.I usually dismiss instantly any simillar post.But this i believe is worth looking into.

    I used to think that some decisions were unfair back in EA UFC 1,but i didn't even know how scoring worked back then,ever since i read the official UFC rules,i can safely say,i almost am never disappointed at a decision.I pretty much know by the time a game ends if i won it or lost it if it goes at a decision. And that's not taking into account the cutscenes it shows at breaks to be able to tell who won the round.

    I usually make fun of people who complain about a decision,because i tend to conclude that they are ignorant of how the scoring and the octagon control works and especially since everyone in this game keeps walking backwards while holding high block,since it's too OP and too Easy to do,i tend to deny their claim of a wrong Decision from the get-go just based off on that.

    That is until this happened to me. I am not sure if the other guy knew any loophole or any exploit on how to win the decision,but you can see for yourselves it's pretty ridicilous. I have an edited video uploaded along with the round score photos for those who don't want to watch it.

    Overall from the stats,only thing you can think of justifying him winning, is that he might have gotten 2 close submissions which won him the round.I'll have you know that is false as you can see from the video,his submissions didn't even pass the first gate.Only 2 submissions attempted 1 in the 2nd and 1 in the 3rd,both failed without passing a single gate.

    So here we go with the video:https://youtu.be/Z90aODtGtIo

    And now with the photos:

    Overall: http://imgur.com/l9eIY5c


    R1: http://imgur.com/cspnmmt

    R2: http://imgur.com/tnTjAeP

    R3: http://imgur.com/ctTGbrz

    Every single round,i destroy him at striking and in the first 2 rounds,striking takes place mainly on the ground/clinch,which i also dominate him. He never got a full guard/half guard/side control/full mount dominant position over me,only i did that.He did however get the dominant sprawl 2 times i believe.His submissions 0/2 successfull,both canceled before him passing the first gate. I clearly won every round,some by a little bit,some by a lot. It can be debatable that he won the 3rd round as i let him have most of the octagon control as i was messing around,since it was a quick match and i was certain i had won the first 2 rounds,because i dominated him on the ground but the stand-up was pretty equal,since he had good octagon control,but didn't do any damage unlike me,who also got a knockdown second round.


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    EDIT 15/16/2016

    watch this self explanatory video: https://youtu.be/i84YbnjK5PY

    I edited it a bit and made it a bit entertaining,because that's all you can do at the end of the day on bad scenarios like these, just laugh them off.

    Hope you enjoyed and please fix the broken decision system.

    This fight i was dominating the ground + stand-up center of the octagon,so when i heared that, i obviously knew i won the game. Apparently not..
    Last edited by manliest_Man; 06-15-2016, 11:01 AM.
  • EJ_Manuel
    Banned
    • Jul 2008
    • 464

    #2
    Re: This is the first time i complain about a Decision

    Again, and I stress this in EVERY thread like this. Coming forward wins you the round. When you backed up against the cage constantly in the third, you gave him the round. Doesn't matter if you landed more strikes, HE CAME FORWARD. Judges will always reward aggression and coming forward more than number of shots landed. So he won the third. The second you obviously won, and you probably won the first too. BUT, the lesson here is,


    Don't be a turd..(especially when you have Conor vs. Jury. I mean jeez. Do you want a cookie?) And finish the fight when you have a chance.

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    • manliest_Man
      MVP
      • May 2016
      • 1203

      #3
      Re: This is the first time i complain about a Decision

      Originally posted by EJ_Manuel
      Again, and I stress this in EVERY thread like this. Coming forward wins you the round. When you backed up against the cage constantly in the third, you gave him the round. Doesn't matter if you landed more strikes, HE CAME FORWARD. Judges will always reward aggression and coming forward more than number of shots landed. So he won the third. The second you obviously won, and you probably won the first too. BUT, the lesson here is,


      Don't be a turd..(especially when you have Conor vs. Jury. I mean jeez. Do you want a cookie?) And finish the fight when you have a chance.

      As i said,i know how going forward wins you the round. I was certain i had won the first 2 rounds,so i started running around to annoy him in the 3rd round,since i had the game in my pocket. But still,even going backwards most of the 3rd round,i still landed way more than him and if you look at the stats,it was his worse round.He did the least on that 3rd round.

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      • chapmandachamp
        Rookie
        • Jul 2014
        • 379

        #4
        Re: This is the first time i complain about a Decision

        Dana white wants the game this way to encourage the fighters to fight and not go to the judges. Not to dance around to annoy ur opponent "when u know u won"

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        • Ksearyback
          Pro
          • Jun 2016
          • 639

          #5
          Re: This is the first time i complain about a Decision

          People who use McGregor and don't get a knockout deserve to lose.

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          • scyth223
            Rookie
            • Apr 2016
            • 283

            #6
            Re: This is the first time i complain about a Decision

            Don't leave it in the hands of the judges.

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            • Robalboa
              Banned
              • Apr 2016
              • 105

              #7
              Re: This is the first time i complain about a Decision

              regardless of what ever connor won that fight hands down

              whoever sets up this judging algorithm is insane.
              How could you lose because of where you where in the ring compared the the FIGHT it self. look at his stirkes.

              i find if you just get on top of a guy and lay there you win the round too even if he landed 30 sigs before you got on him.

              i won fights with 2 strikes only the opponent had about a 100
              but i guess laying there is more important than busting the guys teeth out

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              • Haz____
                Omaewa mou shindeiru
                • Apr 2016
                • 4023

                #8
                Re: This is the first time i complain about a Decision

                Originally posted by EJ_Manuel
                Again, and I stress this in EVERY thread like this. Coming forward wins you the round.
                DIAZ 1-2-5

                PSN: Lord__Hazanko

                Just an average player, with a passion for Martial Arts & Combat Sports

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                • EJ_Manuel
                  Banned
                  • Jul 2008
                  • 464

                  #9
                  Re: This is the first time i complain about a Decision

                  Originally posted by Robalboa
                  regardless of what ever connor won that fight hands down

                  whoever sets up this judging algorithm is insane.
                  How could you lose because of where you where in the ring compared the the FIGHT it self. look at his stirkes.

                  i find if you just get on top of a guy and lay there you win the round too even if he landed 30 sigs before you got on him.

                  i won fights with 2 strikes only the opponent had about a 100
                  but i guess laying there is more important than busting the guys teeth out
                  It's about balance. The judging algo holds such a high regard to octagon control and coming forward because if it didn't, standup would be ten times more broken than it actually is now. All people do now is high block and run away with no penalty. Rewarding the fighter coming forward is the way of balancing that out. Can you imagine if the game scored just based off strike numbers? People would literally hold RB and move backwards the whole fight and just try to outland their opponent. You think people complain about "runners" now? Take octagon control and coming forward out of the decisions, and you'd have one completely broken game. ( More than it already is.)

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                  • Haz____
                    Omaewa mou shindeiru
                    • Apr 2016
                    • 4023

                    #10
                    Re: This is the first time i complain about a Decision

                    Originally posted by EJ_Manuel
                    It's about balance. The judging algo holds such a high regard to octagon control and coming forward because if it didn't, standup would be ten times more broken than it actually is now. All people do now is high block and run away with no penalty. Rewarding the fighter coming forward is the way of balancing that out. Can you imagine if the game scored just based off strike numbers? People would literally hold RB and move backwards the whole fight and just try to outland their opponent. You think people complain about "runners" now? Take octagon control and coming forward out of the decisions, and you'd have one completely broken game. ( More than it already is.)
                    You're so wrong.

                    Moving forward does not win you a fight IRL.

                    Scoring that way in the game makes ZERO sense.

                    Landing strikes, doing damage, takedowns, and submissions, wins you a fight.

                    Not walking forward.
                    PSN: Lord__Hazanko

                    Just an average player, with a passion for Martial Arts & Combat Sports

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                    • OneDrop
                      Pro
                      • Jan 2013
                      • 688

                      #11
                      Re: This is the first time i complain about a Decision

                      Originally posted by Haz____

                      Moving forward does not win you a fight IRL.
                      It does, but only if everything else is virtually identical.

                      "Judges shall evaluate mixed martial arts techniques, such as effective striking, effective grappling, control of the ring/fighting area, effective aggressiveness and defense."

                      And it's in order of importance. Agressiveness is when you come forward and LAND a strike. Ring control is somewhat important but then again, effective striking trumps it. In this case, Conor should have clearly won the fight. However, with Conor you should get knockouts. Dat 99 standup.

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                      • Haz____
                        Omaewa mou shindeiru
                        • Apr 2016
                        • 4023

                        #12
                        Re: This is the first time i complain about a Decision

                        Originally posted by EJ_Manuel
                        Again, and I stress this in EVERY thread like this. Coming forward wins you the round.
                        DIAZ 1-2-5

                        PSN: Lord__Hazanko

                        Just an average player, with a passion for Martial Arts & Combat Sports

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                        • mccclan
                          Rookie
                          • Apr 2016
                          • 39

                          #13
                          Re: This is the first time i complain about a Decision

                          I had Connor 10-9 in the second. And jury 10-9 in the third. Didn't see all of the first. I thought Connor won, but it's definitely arguable.

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                          • ConsoleBaddie
                            Rookie
                            • Apr 2016
                            • 100

                            #14
                            Re: This is the first time i complain about a Decision

                            "Rounds are scored based on:

                            Effective Striking
                            Grappling
                            Aggression
                            and Octagon Control

                            IN THAT ORDER"

                            This is stressed at the beginning of every real UFC event.

                            Why is it the opposite in this game? Octagon Control is the most important thing in EA UFC2.

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                            • Jonnysmallfeet
                              Rookie
                              • May 2016
                              • 122

                              #15
                              Re: This is the first time i complain about a Decision

                              If you are moving backwards you have to completely outclass the person, you didn't do that.

                              It was a close fight and he came forward and got the nod.

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