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  • Generative James
    VideoGame PseudoScientist
    • Jun 2016
    • 463

    #1

    List of "Transition Switches"

    Transition Switching is a game grappling mechanic where a transition is started normally then is changed midway by pressing or releasing a modifier button. In various positions, this will change the transition and/or accelerate the transition. There are others of these, especially from guard, that seem to accelerate transitions, but just a little. I have not added those to the list, only Transition Switches with extreme acceleration. The videos for these have time code, so you can see for yourself.

    This list is incomplete, I assume, please add any new Transition Switches you find to the comments and I will add it to the original list.


    Full Guard Top (Not Postured) to Stacked Guard - Wrestling Transition level 2:
    Press L1 and Transition up to Get Up, release L1 midway, transition is accelerated and becomes Stacked Guard making Full Guard Postured Up position unnecessary to achieve Stacked Guard.


    Side Control Top to Side Saddle Top - Wrestling Transition level 3:
    Transition to North South, press L1 midway, transition becomes Side Saddle, a transition not otherwise available.


    Full Guard Bottom to Half Guard Top - BJJ Sweep level 1:
    Transition to the side to Get Up, press L1 midway, transition becomes sweep to Half Guard Top, a transition not otherwise available. Works well with the Full Guard momentum transition.


    Full Guard Bottom to Rubber Guard - BJJ Transition level 2 with Rubber Guard:
    Press L2 and Transition to the side to Omoplata, release L2 midway, transition becomes Rubber Guard and is accelerated. A stamina advantage can speed this up drastically.


    Side Control Bottom to Sprawl Bottom - Must have Single Leg Takedown from here:
    Press L1 and transition to the side to Single Leg, release L1 midway, transition becomes Sprawl and is accelerated.


    Side Control Bottom to Half Guard Bottom - Must have D'arce Choke:
    Press L2 and transition to D'arce Choke, release L2 midway, transition becomes Half Guard and is accelerated.
    Last edited by Generative James; 09-27-2016, 10:53 PM. Reason: added videos
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  • AfroQban
    Rookie
    • Apr 2016
    • 30

    #2
    Re: List of "Transition Switches"

    Thanks for this. Will be helpful to me and I'm sure others.

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    • Morgan Monkman
      North of 60
      • Apr 2016
      • 1385

      #3
      Re: List of "Transition Switches"

      Nice job man.
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      • Shogun474
        Rookie
        • May 2016
        • 220

        #4
        Re: List of "Transition Switches"

        Brilliant thread nice one bro

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        • Evil97
          MVP
          • Apr 2016
          • 1099

          #5
          Re: List of "Transition Switches"

          Originally posted by Generative James
          Side Control Top - Wrestling Transition level 3:
          Transition to North South, press L1 midway, transition becomes Side Saddle, a transition not otherwise available.

          Full Guard Bottom - BJJ Transition level 2:
          Transition to the side to Get Up, press L2 midway, transition becomes Triangle Choke and is accelerated.

          Full Guard Bottom - BJJ Transition level 2 with Rubber Guard:
          Press L2 and Transition to the side to Omoplata, release L2 midway, transition becomes Rubber Guard and is accelerated.

          Side Control Bottom - Must have Single Leg Takedown from here:
          Press L1 and transition to the side to Get Up, release L1 midway, transition becomes Sprawl and is accelerated.
          I would not recommend doing these four. The first one because the transition to crucifix is just as fast, and you will end up in side saddle eventually. Unless it's possible to have Level 3 Wrestling without the crucifix, or you just want to play around for the fun of it.

          The next three I would really not do though. All the moves you are switching to are already available, and the only reason the meter speeds up is because those moves are faster than the move you are coming from. The new speed is the same speed they would be if you just started with it. So by starting with a slower one and switching, you are actually getting to the next move slower than if you would have just went for it alone. For example, if you want to go for a triangle, it's faster to just go for it. The animations are all identical, so you wouldn't be visually faking out your opponent either. Just my thoughts. Great thread though. Thanks.

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          • Morgan Monkman
            North of 60
            • Apr 2016
            • 1385

            #6
            Re: List of "Transition Switches"

            Originally posted by Evil97
            I would not recommend doing these four. The first one because the transition to crucifix is just as fast, and you will end up in side saddle eventually. Unless it's possible to have Level 3 Wrestling without the crucifix, or you just want to play around for the fun of it.

            The next three I would really not do though. All the moves you are switching to are already available, and the only reason the meter speeds up is because those moves are faster than the move you are coming from. The new speed is the same speed they would be if you just started with it. So by starting with a slower one and switching, you are actually getting to the next move slower than if you would have just went for it alone. For example, if you want to go for a triangle, it's faster to just go for it. The animations are all identical, so you wouldn't be visually faking out your opponent either. Just my thoughts. Great thread though. Thanks.
            If that's the case why would GPD even add them? Sort of redundant isnt it?
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            • Evil97
              MVP
              • Apr 2016
              • 1099

              #7
              Re: List of "Transition Switches"

              Originally posted by Morgan Monkman
              If that's the case why would GPD even add them? Sort of redundant isnt it?
              I think it's just a mechanic where you have the option to switch if you change your mind. Since it's the same animation for both, I think having the option to switch mid transition was just a very easy thing to include. Like I said, I wouldn't get in the habit of doing it. However, the others on the list I highly recommend since they add a different transition all together.

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              • Generative James
                VideoGame PseudoScientist
                • Jun 2016
                • 463

                #8
                Re: List of "Transition Switches"

                Originally posted by Evil97
                I would not recommend doing these four. The first one because the transition to crucifix is just as fast, and you will end up in side saddle eventually. Unless it's possible to have Level 3 Wrestling without the crucifix, or you just want to play around for the fun of it.

                The next three I would really not do though. All the moves you are switching to are already available, and the only reason the meter speeds up is because those moves are faster than the move you are coming from. The new speed is the same speed they would be if you just started with it. So by starting with a slower one and switching, you are actually getting to the next move slower than if you would have just went for it alone. For example, if you want to go for a triangle, it's faster to just go for it. The animations are all identical, so you wouldn't be visually faking out your opponent either. Just my thoughts. Great thread though. Thanks.
                Ok, so I recorded video of 2 of these transition and counted the frames that the hud was yellow for in each transition. All in Practice Mode, two controllers, full stamina for both guys.

                For the Single Leg to Sprawl From Side Control Bottom, I was shaving off 5 or 6 frames with the Transition Switch. Without it, I was getting 24, or 25 frames per transition. With it, I was getting transitions in 19 or 20 frames.

                As for the Triangle however, you are right. The Transition Switch is the same or sometimes slower than normal. I will take this off the list.

                I'll also test the Rubber Guard one too, eventually. Though I'm kinda hoping GPD will just chime in with the official word.
                Last edited by Generative James; 07-25-2016, 08:59 AM.
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                • Evil97
                  MVP
                  • Apr 2016
                  • 1099

                  #9
                  Re: List of "Transition Switches"

                  Originally posted by Generative James
                  Ok, so I recorded video of 2 of these transition and counted the frames that the hud was yellow for in each transition. All in Practice Mode, two controllers, full stamina for both guys.

                  For the Single Leg to Sprawl From Side Control Bottom, I was shaving off 5 or 6 frames with the Transition Switch. Without it, I was getting 24, or 25 frames per transition. With it, I was getting transitions in 19 or 20 frames.

                  As for the Triangle however, you are right. The Transition Switch is the same or sometimes slower than normal. I will take this off the list.

                  I'll also test the Rubber Guard one too, eventually. Though I'm kinda hoping GPD will just chime in with the official word.
                  Interesting. I did the same test, but just by eye. I'll do some testing later as well. Hoping GPD chimes in as well, and if reading this.....PLEASE make the rubber guard and triangle choke transitions slower...PLEASE.

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                  • Generative James
                    VideoGame PseudoScientist
                    • Jun 2016
                    • 463

                    #10
                    Re: List of "Transition Switches"

                    Originally posted by Evil97
                    Interesting. I did the same test, but just by eye. I'll do some testing later as well.
                    Good, we can use all the information we can get. I think this is an active and intelligent enough community that we can flesh out all the hidden nooks and crannies of this game, for the benefit of everyone.
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                    • Bigg Cee
                      MVP
                      • Apr 2016
                      • 4676

                      #11
                      Re: List of "Transition Switches"

                      Originally posted by Evil97
                      Interesting. I did the same test, but just by eye. I'll do some testing later as well. Hoping GPD chimes in as well, and if reading this.....PLEASE make the rubber guard and triangle choke transitions slower...PLEASE.
                      Rubber guard yes! but triangle choke HELL NO!!!!!

                      It is already too easy to deny and if you slow that down then it's gunna be a waste. This i do not agree on!!!

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                      • Haz____
                        Omaewa mou shindeiru
                        • Apr 2016
                        • 4023

                        #12
                        Re: List of "Transition Switches"

                        Originally posted by Bigg Cee
                        Rubber guard yes! but triangle choke HELL NO!!!!!

                        It is already too easy to deny and if you slow that down then it's gunna be a waste. This i do not agree on!!!
                        I wish you didn't have to switch to an armbar to be effective.

                        The triangle being 5 friggin gates is super lame.

                        Sometimes I just wanna choke a dude out!
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                        • Morgan Monkman
                          North of 60
                          • Apr 2016
                          • 1385

                          #13
                          Re: List of "Transition Switches"

                          Originally posted by Haz____
                          I wish you didn't have to switch to an armbar to be effective.

                          The triangle being 5 friggin gates is super lame.

                          Sometimes I just wanna choke a dude out!
                          Guillotine is also to many gates imo
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                          • Bigg Cee
                            MVP
                            • Apr 2016
                            • 4676

                            #14
                            Re: List of "Transition Switches"

                            Originally posted by Morgan Monkman
                            Guillotine is also to many gates imo
                            Also Arm Triangle from half guard is just too many gates.

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                            • Haz____
                              Omaewa mou shindeiru
                              • Apr 2016
                              • 4023

                              #15
                              Re: List of "Transition Switches"

                              Originally posted by Bigg Cee
                              Also Arm Triangle from half guard is just too many gates.
                              Arm Triangle from Half Guard is my favorite submission in the game.

                              There is no risk of giving up position with that move. Depending on which gate they escape from, you either -Stay in Half Guard, -End up in their Full Guard, -Or even get a pass to Side Control.

                              I think 5 gates evens out the fact it's a no risk submission.

                              I honestly get people with that allll the time.
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