After last year I feel like they did a good job rebalancing man coverage to make it a viable option in defense again. With 16 man coverage was almost a death sentence to giving up a big play in the passing game. How is everyone else feeling about man coverage this year?
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Re: What is the consensus on man coverage in 17
Covering tight ends and inside routes is an issue for me. Even extremely high rated man coverage guys seem to have issues, and linebackers are particularly bad at covering tight ends, even the highly rated coverage guys.
It's better than last year but I'd like to see the elite guys really shut down WRs and TEs, and I haven't seen that yet. I wonder if others are having the same experience. -
Re: What is the consensus on man coverage in 17
I haven't noticed any issues, but I've also spent a majority of my time in UT where I'm only playing defense for the most part on rookie/pro. Where the man coverage seems to be back on the level of NCAA 14 and pre madden 16. I've always been a fan of 2 man under and have been able to use it again as my base defensive play. I've also been liking 2 buck(Cover 2 deep and zone on half the field, man on the other half) so playing with the Jets having Revis be able to man up while the other side of the field is in zone is a great addition to the play book.Comment
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Re: What is the consensus on man coverage in 17
Using inside/outside coverage shading can help you alot, especially if you like to play as a safety. Have the CB's cover inside/outside and then you take away the opposite shoulder.
Had a buddy trying to utilize Gronk out of the slot last night. Shaded inside to have the CB take away inside routes, I used my safety to cover his outside. He never got another completion to him after that.Comment
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Re: What is the consensus on man coverage in 17
See my problem with shading is it flat out doesn't do anything for me. I'll shade my slot CB inside and at the snap he STILL plays outside technique while his guy is wide open on a slant. It's infuriating when you know somethings coming and try to put guys in the right position to stop it but they don't respond the way they shouldComment
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Re: What is the consensus on man coverage in 17
I prefer a cover 2 man base defense as well. Very tough to run with any consistency due to the aforementioned coverage problems vs TE and sometimes RB. The CPU controlled LBs and S just can't cover anyone in man, unless it's straight down the field. If there is any cut in the route, they will lose 4-5 steps after the cut, regardless of stated man cover ability and agility. Looks ridiculous.
The shading, as far as I can tell, simply does not work. I don't think it ever has. Add it to the list of perpetually broken "features".Comment
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Re: What is the consensus on man coverage in 17
If shading worked id win a lot more gamesComment
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Re: What is the consensus on man coverage in 17
Man coverage definitely had a steep learning curve for me. I used to play exclusively as a lineman in defense and my secondary would get chewed up by opposing offense when I ran man coverage to the point that I completely abandoned it for a zone scheme.
However, I now play exclusively as either safety and I've noticed a huge improvement. The CPU doesn't seem to want to throw to the side of the field I'm covering unless I screw up and let someone get behind me on a fly route. So I've effectively shut down one side of the field on any given play. This has been a huge help shutting down deep corner routes, especially those run by opposing tight ends. When the CPU plays as your safety in cover 2 man, they refuse to pick up any deep corner and line backers can't cover most tight ends these days which leaves you vulnerable to big gains. Taking control of your safety in cover 2 man and shutting down those corner routes will help your team out tremendously.
I would say man coverage works fairly well, but it's only worked for me when I play as either safety. Being able to recognize routes and get into position to deter the CPU QB from throwing your way has made man coverage a staple of my defense now. It's so satisfying watching the receiver cut in on the slant, break into the fly route, and you know that after about ten yards he's going to break for the corner, but you're already there.Comment
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Re: What is the consensus on man coverage in 17
playing on all-pro or all-madden, i've found these things work when trying to defend the pass:
1. the play recognition attribute is key.
if your CB has MCV of 85, but PRC of 72, that MCV will play much lower. when you increase your CB coverage skills, you must increase the PRC as well to keep it as close to your MCV & ZCV as you can.
2. be aware of your CB's strengths.
try to bring in CB that match what you wanna play. if you have a bunch of CB with good ZCV, then play more zone. if you guys are better at MCV, play more man.
3. mix up your coverage.
don't play just play man, don't just play zone. generally, i prefer playing man but if i've played a lot of that in the first half, i find that the opposition will start to have success against those same coverages. so i try to play zone (tampa 2 or cover 2 zone) one out of every three or four plays.
4. play more nickel than base and more dime than nickel.
if that team has a good TE, i play more dime than nickel. my 3rd & 4th best CB are better in coverage than my best LB. i don't want the TE being covered by a LB. on many teams, a good TE will be better than the third WR. you don't want to give up a quick pass to the TE. force the QB to throw elsewhere.
if your opponent is running 2 WR sets with a good pass catching TE, play nickel and not base. if they're running 3 WR sets with a good pass catching TE, play dime and not nickel.
5. don't be afraid to sub-out better players for players who are better in coverage.
my best ILB is bowman. he's 91 OVR and really good. but when i play dime, i sub him out for my 77 OVR because he's quicker & better in coverage.
6. if your CB are good at press, use it.
my two main CB are good at press. i use it quite a bit, especially if the QB is under centre. it gives my pass rush an extra second to hit the QB or move him off his spot.
7. get interior pass rush.
for me, this might be the most important. having edge rushers who sack the qb is great but you must have interior pressure. buckner & armstead are the two most important players on my D, even if they're not the highest rated. even if they don't get sacks: they push the pocket, move the QB, make him throw it away, cause him to run outside into my edge rushers.
if people already know this stuff, feel free to tell me to shove it!
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Re: What is the consensus on man coverage in 17
playing on all-pro or all-madden, i've found these things work when trying to defend the pass:
1. the play recognition attribute is key.
if your CB has MCV of 85, but PRC of 72, that MCV will play much lower. when you increase your CB coverage skills, you must increase the PRC as well to keep it as close to your MCV & ZCV as you can.
2. be aware of your CB's strengths.
try to bring in CB that match what you wanna play. if you have a bunch of CB with good ZCV, then play more zone. if you guys are better at MCV, play more man.
3. mix up your coverage.
don't play just play man, don't just play zone. generally, i prefer playing man but if i've played a lot of that in the first half, i find that the opposition will start to have success against those same coverages. so i try to play zone (tampa 2 or cover 2 zone) one out of every three or four plays.
4. play more nickel than base and more dime than nickel.
if that team has a good TE, i play more dime than nickel. my 3rd & 4th best CB are better in coverage than my best LB. i don't want the TE being covered by a LB. on many teams, a good TE will be better than the third WR. you don't want to give up a quick pass to the TE. force the QB to throw elsewhere.
if your opponent is running 2 WR sets with a good pass catching TE, play nickel and not base. if they're running 3 WR sets with a good pass catching TE, play dime and not nickel.
5. don't be afraid to sub-out better players for players who are better in coverage.
my best ILB is bowman. he's 91 OVR and really good. but when i play dime, i sub him out for my 77 OVR because he's quicker & better in coverage.
6. if your CB are good at press, use it.
my two main CB are good at press. i use it quite a bit, especially if the QB is under centre. it gives my pass rush an extra second to hit the QB or move him off his spot.
7. get interior pass rush.
for me, this might be the most important. having edge rushers who sack the qb is great but you must have interior pressure. buckner & armstead are the two most important players on my D, even if they're not the highest rated. even if they don't get sacks: they push the pocket, move the QB, make him throw it away, cause him to run outside into my edge rushers.
if people already know this stuff, feel free to tell me to shove it!
I know all this but definitely won't tell you to go shove it. This is one of the most useful posts one can read on getting better on defense. A+ sir.Comment
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