Anybody done "relegation" in their dynasty?

[WeWereGiants]

European soccer has a system of "relegation" where teams move up/down between leagues from year to year based on performance (bottom one/two teams in league A swap with top one/two teams in league B). I'm considering trying something like that in a new dynasty.

Long story short, I paired each P5 conference with a G5 conference, trying to keep them regionally similar (ACC with AAC, B1G with MAC, Big 12 with Sun Belt, Pac-12 with MWC, SEC with C-USA) and would like to have the division champs in the G5 conferences switch with the last place finishers in the P5 conference the next season. I'm not worrying about real-life realignment concerns.

Anyway, my question is if anyone has tried something like that, and what your results were. Or, if you haven't tried it, what your thoughts are? I finished my first season with real-life conferences and haven't progressed yet because I've yet to decide what to do about relegation.

Another thing I could do is just rank all the conferences 1-10 (SEC at the top all the way to the Sun Belt at the bottom) and do it that way.

[whughes]

Re: Anybody done "relegation" in their dynasty?

I've done it before following this setup:
http://www.operationsports.com/forum...on-system.html

Lots of great discussion and ideas in that thread as well

[WeWereGiants]

Re: Anybody done "relegation" in their dynasty?

I've done it before following this setup:
http://www.operationsports.com/forum...on-system.html

Lots of great discussion and ideas in that thread as well

That's actually a really neat thread, thanks for sharing. I like his idea, though I think I'd do a bit of gerrymandering.

[whughes]

Re: Anybody done "relegation" in their dynasty?

That's actually a really neat thread, thanks for sharing. I like his idea, though I think I'd do a bit of gerrymandering.

I changed it up a little bit too. But his setup was what I used as a base

[Kodos]

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This is from a promotion-relegation OD that I run. We're in Year 12. Promotion adds a lot of fun. Teams move up and down within their color band.

[thekodinator]

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I've been thinking about doing a relegation system in my dynasty, but wanted to a) keep it fairly simple and easy to manage, and b) make it hard/slower for teams to move up and down (i i like having traditional powers).

so with a few small edits in terms of which teams belong where (make it more regional), this is what I'm thinking...

5 "Power" Conferences, each with their own corresponding "Junior" Conference...

SEC - Sun Belt
ACC - AAC
Big 10 - MAC
BIG 12 - CUSA
PAC 12 - MWC

Only conference champions would be eligible for the 4-team playoff at the end of the year. Playoff team selection would go as follows: The top-4 ranked "Power" Conference champions receive auto-bids to the playoff if ranked in the top 10 of the BCS standings. If <4 of the "Power" Conference champs are in the top 10, then the final spots are filled by the remaining highest ranked conference champs.

In the example below, the champs of the BIG 10, SEC, MWC, and PAC-12 would all make the playoff.
#1 BIG 10 Champ (1-seed)
#2 SEC Champ (2-seed)
#8 MWC Champ (4-seed)
#12 PAC-12 Champ (3-seed)
#15 BIG 12 Champ (miss playoff)
[other conf champs ranked lower...]

As for relegation, I'm thinking of using the lower-tier bowls as relegation/promotion playoffs between the last-place team of the "Power" conference vs. the champ of the corresponding "Junior" conference. The only thing I'm worried about here is eventually getting unbalanced divisions between east-west with geography, so I'm still thinking through this. Perhaps if I can split each conference into EAST-WEST, I could do the relegation/promotion playoffs by division, tho that would diminish the importance of winning the "Junior" conference. Still thinking thru this and would take any ideas.

[jello1717]

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Here's how I set mine up. 1st I split the country into 2 regions, West and East. I found a map w/ all FBS teams on it and found a perfect split based on states with 63 West teams and 63 East teams.
Here's what I came up with:

college_football_map.jpg

I then broke each region into 5 12 team conferences (so they all have a CCG) with 3 leftovers going Independent. Each region's conferences were tiered like this:
conference setup.PNG
Were green is Tier 1, Yellow Tier 2, etc.

I run an 8 team playoff and had to balance between having the top tiers represented while also giving lower tier teams a shot. I did it like this:

Automatic bids (Conf champ of T1s and T2s):
(1)SEC champ (1)Big 10 champ
(1)Pac12 champ (1)Big XII champ
At Large bids:
(2)Highest BCS rank T1-T2 teams if in top 20
(2)Highest BCS rank T3-T5 teams if in top 20 (1 per conference)
If still missing teams, then highest BCS rank, but only 2/conference

This way the best conferences' champs are in, and 6 of the 8 teams are from the top 2 tiers, so there's incentive to move up. Also, the 2 best teams from the bottom 3 tiers get in as well so the little guys are represented.

For promotion/relegation, I have the conference champ moving up and the worst team per conference moves down (IE. East T4 (American) champ goes up to ET3 (ACC) while the worst American team moves down to ET5(MAC).

To avoid constant ping ponging (team moves up, is inferior so they finish last and move down, move up, move down, etc) I don't allow teams to move the opposite direction for 1 year after a move. IE. if they move up, they can't move down the next year, but they can move up again (which never happened) if they win the new conference's championship.

This dynasty was a LOT of fun as it adds a really cool dynamic to the game and was very different than anything I'd done before. That being said, I did miss all the rivalries that you normally see in college football.

[WeWereGiants]

Re: Anybody done &quot;relegation&quot; in their dynasty?

I like the ideas you guys posted. Looks like the promotion/relegation idea is more popular than I thought.

Right now I'm using a system based on the one Timeetyo created, that whughes posted a link to. I changed his map though, here are my four regions:



I wanted to keep the four "Elite" conferences (Pac-12, Big Ten, SEC, and ACC) as close to their real-life counterparts as possible, while also keeping the map relatively attractive and the regions balanced (I'd have preferred to include Oklahoma in the South region, but I couldn't find 3 more teams to give to the Pacific to balance it out). Dividing the states this way, I was able to keep 46 of the 55 teams in the real-life P12, B1G, SEC, and ACC in the appropriate regions. In this alignment, the Big 12 is a part of the South region, sandwiched between the SEC and Sun Belt-South in the hierarchy.

I've summed this for 8 seasons, and the national champs are:

2013: Oklahoma (Pac-12)
2014: Notre Dame (Big Ten)
2015: Notre Dame (Big Ten)
2016: Ohio State (Big Ten)
2017: Oregon (Pac-12)
2018: Oklahoma (Pac-12)
2019: Clemson (ACC)
2020: Auburn (SEC)

[Kodos]

Re: Anybody done &quot;relegation&quot; in their dynasty?

This is from a promotion-relegation OD that I run. We're in Year 12. Promotion adds a lot of fun. Teams move up and down within their color band.

My Hoosiers finally won our first championship after 12 season in the Ladder. GO HOOSIERS!

[bigbad25]

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The way i sat it up is direct between the power 5 and the group of 5, so SEC/Sunbelt, ACC/American, Big 12/CUSA, PAC12/MWC, and Big ten/MAC. I left Notre Dame independent and that gives you 12 teams in each league, with 13 in one of the lower leagues. I promoted the Division Winners and regulated the teams that finished last in each division. This lead to some yo-yoing as Kentucky went up or down in each of the six seasons that i simmed.

[Landeye]

Re: Anybody done &quot;relegation&quot; in their dynasty?

The way i sat it up is direct between the power 5 and the group of 5, so SEC/Sunbelt, ACC/American, Big 12/CUSA, PAC12/MWC, and Big ten/MAC. I left Notre Dame independent and that gives you 12 teams in each league, with 13 in one of the lower leagues. I promoted the Division Winners and regulated the teams that finished last in each division. This lead to some yo-yoing as Kentucky went up or down in each of the six seasons that i simmed.

I have mine set up almost the exact same way except I promote teams once they've won the conference in back to back years. I did every year at first but the yo-yoing was annoying.