Do we have too high expectations?
 

When 2k5 first came out almost everything was pretty positive, now everywhere I go on the net the game is being trashed for a number of reasons (poor trade AI, QB Spy bug, Rushing yard bug, framrate issues, etc....) and I know this happens to every major sport game that comes out.

It always starts off positive, then gets trashed and then it dies down and becomes stabalized with positve and constructive critism.

Sometimes I feel like videogame players will never be happy unless it plays exactly like the real sport ... which will never happen.

I feel like most need to lower their expectations and most importantly relax ... it's just a videogame!

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for 20 dollars espn 2k5 blew down the door of expectation

this is the best sports game of the year...until we play madden...and the other genres of sports

have you ever seen a game so beautiful or every game play so differently

due to it being a sports game and not a rpg, or something of that nature...we know from only a week of what we are gonna get for the next year...and its damn good

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I agree completely, and just so you know, ESPN did NOT disappoint me none the least. That's the most important thing guys! Get whichever game makes YOU (the consumer) happy.

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I believe that this game did get overhyped, yet I believe that I've never heard of a game that didn't.

And also, this game hasn't been out for even a week yet, so we're almost right on schedule, maybe just a little ahead of schedule... usually, for the next week or two, we will start to hear some of the negatives, bugs, and glitches. After that week or two, it's a little quiet, maybe some franchise stories, some new newcomers, then after that comes some more roster stuff and slider stuff, some questions here or there, and it's almost like the negative era never happened. It's like this for every game on every board, it's very common.

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WE don't have too high expectations. A lot of people expected the game to be perfect. Those people did have too high expecations. But I'm perfectly happy with the game, and I know many others feel the same.

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It could of used more time in the oven, that's for sure. The punt blocking, animations, and STILL incorrect spot calls since 2k are among some things that are making me put it up until the season starts.

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Best darn 20 bux i've spent on a game or anything for that matter.

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As the cable guy said after breaking the backboard:

[begin lisp] I LOVE THIS GAME! [/end lisp]

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Best darn 20 bux i've spent on a game or anything for that matter.

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Well my first ever lap dance at a peeler joint gave me better value for $20 but 2k5 is a close second

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jordan0386 said:
for 20 dollars espn 2k5 blew down the door of expectation

this is the best sports game of the year...until we play madden...and the other genres of sports

have you ever seen a game so beautiful or every game play so differently

due to it being a sports game and not a rpg, or something of that nature...we know from only a week of what we are gonna get for the next year...and its damn good

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Excellent post my friend...

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I am very happy with 2K5. It met and exceeded my expectations. Of course there are glitches in the game and of course the AI seems to make mistakes that you don't understand But wait don't this happen in the NFL. When a safety makes the wrong read or bites on a draw leaving a WR wide open. Does this not happen in the NFL. When you have a subpar DB in the game don't the offense continually go after him to see if he is up to the challenge or not. Does this not happen in the NFL. Counter trey made famous by the Washington Redskins was ran over, and over, and over and over. It works keep running it until they stop it. Vince Lombardi and the Packers did not care if you knew the play that was coming, the question was, " could you stop it"? Does this not happen in the NFL. This game emulates the NFL and of course there a glitches, but then again there are glitches in the NFL as well.

Saw a play last season Chad Johnson is on a go rounte. Reed for the Ravens is playing deep safety. Reed has a sure interception, but wait it bounces off his hands and into Chad Johnson's hand and Chad is off for a TD. NFL glitch. It does happen in the NFL.

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I think most of the nit pickers are the younge ones here. I hear people say Tecmo bowl is the best FB game ever (and I think it was for it's time), but think about Tecmo Bowl: 6 Plays and not very realistic at all. But it was fun! Back then people played games because they were fun, now it seems people want everything to be just like real life. Video games will never be 100% realistic and yes I do realize that some people are complaining so Sega can "fix" some of the stuff next year.

But guess what, next years game will have flaws/bugs, and so will every sports game. there will NEVER be a perfect game.

now I used to be one of the worst nit pickers there were, trust me. It all ended during baseball season 2 years ago. Every game I found a supposed "game killer" and I would put the game away and patiently await the release of the next baseball game for that year. Guess what I was doing in between releases? Playing Little League Baseball on NES. Yes, that is correct. Then it hit me, I was having so much fun with Little League World Series because I didn't have any crazy expectations and looked at is as a game that is meant to be fun.

So that is when I change my thinking about video games. I used to be a "glass is half empty" person, but now I am a "glass is half full" person and video games are much more fun now. So that particular baseball season, World Series Baseball (the first one for xbox) just happened to be the last released baseball game for that year. I bought it with my new way of thinking and I loved it !

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I'm in the camp of "don't put it in there if it's going to suck." So often, developers concentrate on "new" stuff without ever addressing last year's problems well enough.

Why do franchise mode if the AI is going to just screw it up? Why put in an animation if it doesn't add realism? Why, why, why?

My only problem with 2K5 is the return game (where's my damn blockers?), the trade AI (just ridiculous), and ease of the outside run. Otherwise, I like this game.

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Erod said:
I'm in the camp of "don't put it in there if it's going to suck." So often, developers concentrate on "new" stuff without ever addressing last year's problems well enough.

Why do franchise mode if the AI is going to just screw it up? Why put in an animation if it doesn't add realism? Why, why, why?

My only problem with 2K5 is the return game (where's my damn blockers?), the trade AI (just ridiculous), and ease of the outside run. Otherwise, I like this game.

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Casual fans care about new features not whether franchise mode has been fixed. Much better to advertise a new mode like Crib then a bug free draft mode.

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Erod said:
I'm in the camp of "don't put it in there if it's going to suck." So often, developers concentrate on "new" stuff without ever addressing last year's problems well enough.

Why do franchise mode if the AI is going to just screw it up? Why put in an animation if it doesn't add realism? Why, why, why?

My only problem with 2K5 is the return game (where's my damn blockers?), the trade AI (just ridiculous), and ease of the outside run. Otherwise, I like this game.

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Casual fans care about new features not whether franchise mode has been fixed. Much better to advertise a new mode like Crib then a bug free draft mode.

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I expected a working title with few bugs. I should have known with the rush to get it out the door that it would have a ton of bugs.

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Daudr said:
I expected a working title with few bugs. I should have known with the rush to get it out the door that it would have a ton of bugs.

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Thats mearly your opinion..the game is rock solid and the professional reviews all say the same. End of story

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haha none of the reviews mention any of these huge glitches.. forget what they say the game isnt rock solid it has its holes.

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This game is very solid, but it has already shown several obvious flaws. For me, to whom franchise mode is very important, I would give it about an 8.8.

And to be very honest, I am so sick and tired of people talking about how we shouldn't complain so much because the game is only 20 dollars. You know why? This game came out after a full year of development. 60 dollars, 49.99, or 19.99, a game that has spent an entire year in development shouldn't have several of the bugs that are showing up. But like I said, I still think it is a very fun and solid title.

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haha none of the reviews mention any of these huge glitches.. forget what they say the game isnt rock solid it has its holes.

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maybe because the glitches are not "Huge" to everyone. There is a way to get the CPU to not trade but you don't want to do that. No game is perfect and every game that has ever been released we hear the same crap:

"How could they miss this"
"Did they test this game"
"This game is rushed"

yadda yadda yadda ya.

I find it quite funny that the first thing some people do when they get a game is look for things wrong in it.

ESPN is the best football game I have ever played and there is not one thing that I have found that "Kills" the game, most of the things I have found I eventually found ways to correct them, but some people would rather bitch and moan than look for solutions.

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SportsK1NG said:
haha none of the reviews mention any of these huge glitches.. forget what they say the game isnt rock solid it has its holes.

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maybe because the glitches are not "Huge" to everyone. There is a way to get the CPU to not trade but you don't want to do that. No game is perfect and every game that has ever been released we hear the same crap:

"How could they miss this"
"Did they test this game"
"This game is rushed"

yadda yadda yadda ya.

I find it quite funny that the first thing some people do when they get a game is look for things wrong in it.

ESPN is the best football game I have ever played and there is not one thing that I have found that "Kills" the game, most of the things I have found I eventually found ways to correct them, but some people would rather bitch and moan than look for solutions.

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Whatever.. its the reviewers job to tell me about the game good or bad, they could have told me about the questionable DB AI and the fact that the CPU cant stop your scramble and the fact there are a few money routes and the fact that parts of the franchise are broken..

you say i can fix it but I dont want to? who said I dont want it fixed.. please stop making up nonsense, i heard it can be fixed by turning off preseason games and weekly prep (which makes NO sense to me at all).. if weekly prep was more fun for me I wouldnt like that but since both of those options dont matter much I am happy to turn them off but that still doesnt change the fact that the AI is broken and that the CPU teams dont know how to draft.

you call people that notice the flaws and point them out crybabies i call people like you that ignore them blind.

when did i say there was a GAME killer in the game? and you think it is the best football game ever that is your opinion and I have mine along with every other person on this site.

im sorry if the fact that the game is bugged out and I have to go looking for little tricks and sh*t to try and fix the problems. I shouldnt have to. if you can tell me how to fix the problems in the game then I would be happy to do it..

why dont you stop replying to all my post and go play the game..

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As a first time ESPN player (long time Madden/NCAA fan) I can say I'm thrilled by this game. So thrilled, as a matter of fact, I won't even bother with the EA lineup this year.

The presentation and sheer fun of this game are something I feel EA Sports has been missing for several years now.

As for the bugs...Yeah, there are some big ones and if I buy ESPN next year I expect the most glaring bugs to be fixed. As it stands, I'm set for this season and am enjoying this game more than any of the Madden games of the past few years.

People need not forget... Madden in years past haas been far from perfect itself. I'm sure the rabid Madden fans will be reminded once it comes out.

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i cant just ignore Madden or ESPN.. not fair in my mind cus either game could be better in certain areas that are more improtant to me.

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The Off field stuff in Madden is very good, but playing the game is boring to me for some reason.

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The Off field stuff in Madden is very good, but playing the game is boring to me for some reason.

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Bingo! Maybe I'm just enjoying the new look and feel of ESPN but Madden has been stale to me for the past several years.

Don't get me wrong, Madden is much better in some areas but the one area that I care about the most (e.g. playing the game and having fun) goes to ESPN. I don't give a damn about Franchise mode in Madden being super-fantastic if I have to struggle through boring games to enjoy it.

I've read enough to know Madden has tweaked their AI this year (as they claim to do every year) but I know in my heart it still is going to be that slow, stale game it has been for too long now. Until EA learns to put to presentation and personality into their game, it's not going to match up in the most important area...gameplay.

I'll rent Madden and give it a whirl but I damn sure am not going to just run out and buy it the second it hits the shelves like I have for so many years past. It will have to be one hell of a game to pull me away from ESPN this year. One hell of a game!...

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haha none of the reviews mention any of these huge glitches.. forget what they say the game isnt rock solid it has its holes.

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maybe because the glitches are not "Huge" to everyone. There is a way to get the CPU to not trade but you don't want to do that. No game is perfect and every game that has ever been released we hear the same crap:

"How could they miss this"
"Did they test this game"
"This game is rushed"

yadda yadda yadda ya.

I find it quite funny that the first thing some people do when they get a game is look for things wrong in it.

ESPN is the best football game I have ever played and there is not one thing that I have found that "Kills" the game, most of the things I have found I eventually found ways to correct them, but some people would rather bitch and moan than look for solutions.

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Whatever.. its the reviewers job to tell me about the game good or bad, they could have told me about the questionable DB AI and the fact that the CPU cant stop your scramble and the fact there are a few money routes and the fact that parts of the franchise are broken..

you say i can fix it but I dont want to? who said I dont want it fixed.. please stop making up nonsense, i heard it can be fixed by turning off preseason games and weekly prep (which makes NO sense to me at all).. if weekly prep was more fun for me I wouldnt like that but since both of those options dont matter much I am happy to turn them off but that still doesnt change the fact that the AI is broken and that the CPU teams dont know how to draft.

you call people that notice the flaws and point them out crybabies i call people like you that ignore them blind.

when did i say there was a GAME killer in the game? and you think it is the best football game ever that is your opinion and I have mine along with every other person on this site.

im sorry if the fact that the game is bugged out and I have to go looking for little tricks and sh*t to try and fix the problems. I shouldnt have to. if you can tell me how to fix the problems in the game then I would be happy to do it..

why dont you stop replying to all my post and go play the game..

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I think I speak for the rest of us when I say please STFU and go play NCAA.

I will buy your copy of ESPN from you RIGHT NOW and find it a good home. You spend more time whining and agonizing about problems that don't mean d!ck to anyone but you and 3 other people.

The CPU does not run the ball in Madden. Never has. Still sold 4 million copies. And I'll just bet your high and mighty "I can't live with flaws" asss bought AND played the hell out of it too. Now, am I supposed to get on every single Madden-fan site and forum and complain, and complain and complain and complain and complain and post thread after thread after thread about it? Obviously those 4 million people don't care about the cpu NEVER running the ball. So I let them enjoy their gaming experience and just play the title I like.

The "bugs" and "glitches" don't stack up in any way, shape, or form to the monumental POSITIVES of this game and if you don't see that, PLEASE just scurry off to the Madden forum. They still make a solid product, and I'm sure they will appreciate your loyal patronage. And please save the "I just want to help improve the game by posting complaints" BS. Posting a concern in the "wishlist" for 2k6 is constructive. Crying like a freaking baby to anyone who will listen is not. I got a TON of issues with NCAA but you won't find a single post from me about it? Why Because I don't enjoy it and see no need to piss on the parade of those who do.

JUST. GO. AWAY.

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wow

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asianflow said:
When 2k5 first came out almost everything was pretty positive, now everywhere I go on the net the game is being trashed for a number of reasons (poor trade AI, QB Spy bug, Rushing yard bug, framrate issues, etc....) and I know this happens to every major sport game that comes out.

It always starts off positive, then gets trashed and then it dies down and becomes stabalized with positve and constructive critism.

Sometimes I feel like videogame players will never be happy unless it plays exactly like the real sport ... which will never happen.

I feel like most need to lower their expectations and most importantly relax ... it's just a videogame!

<hr /></blockquote><font class="post">it's a weird phenomenon. as games get closer and closer to reality, people begin to nitpick every nuance of the experience more and more as it defies normal conventions. when people used to play madden or ncaa on the SNES or Genesis i couldn't remember complaints about unrealistic AI or the like. the simplistic animations and limited graphic capabilities of systems removed the player from equating it to reality. the current generation games are the opposite. in graphics, presentation, gameplay - it all enters a realm of hyper-reality where people will start to compare the video game to real life. animation quirks, 'questionable' AI, insane trades - this is all a sign that a game is becoming more and more realistic. that partially explains some of the inanity of compalints (they're not holding the ball right when they stiff arm!), to the delay of most of the finer complaints (franchise/sim bugs) weeks after the game's released.

most people don't notice or care of the flaws, others will. in fact it will be near impossible for any game to be declared perfect as most everyone will find some flaw in the implimentation. we have no problem watching 'toy story' and believing its rendered graphics as they didn't attempt to mimic things perfectly. a movie like 'final fantasy', though, simply because of its 'realistic' atmosphere faces much greater scrutiny, even with greater technology rendering the film.