2k deciding who wins at tip off

[Mweemwee]

Hi Guys,

Let me preface this by saying that I've thought about posting this and I'm not just doing it as an angry reaction. I currently have a record of 30-17 in MTO for what it's worth.

It's been terrible every year, but this year puts the absolute icing on the cake. I'm sorry, but I'm saying it: 2K is absolutely 100% fixing games.

I went 17-0 to start off this year and got to the Ruby league. All of sudden the same plays, the same players etc were just absolutely broken. Started shooting 30% every game and missing wide open layups, shooting around 10% every game from 3 with Steph Curry on all wide open shots etc...

Fine. I'd had a good start and chalked it up to my luck running out or a rise in difficulty. Possibly even the fact that the competition has got better.

But then I get demoted back to the Sapphire league. Now suddenly the same league that I went 6-0 on last time I can barely struggle to even stay in. Start the seed over, same result.

Since my unbeaten run my record has been 13-17. This might not seem so atrocious, but I've been accurately able to predict every win and loss within 10 mins of the game starting. Literally from the end of the 1st quarter I can see it.

I'm missing wide open layups. Opponent comes down and hits a contested shot. I miss a wide open almost perfect release mid range with a 90 rating shooter. Miss. Opponent comes down and hits a contested three.

It might sound salty but this is a fact: Only about 2 or so opponents in 17 losses have outplayed me. Everyone else has literally benefited from 2k's algorithm. And I'm not too proud to say I've benefitted too. Some games I've just been unable to miss no matter how terrible I play. Meanwhile my opponent is setting up good wide open shots and beating me on great plays and missing shots that don't deserve to miss.

I have factored in stamina, momentum, badges etc into this. This is an honest recap of what is actually happening.

I know others are seeing this too. Some people will lie to themselves and pretend it's something else, but deep down almost everyone who plays MTO knows this is happening.

This is by far the most obvious year of rubber band cheese, game fixing etc. It's ridiculous.

I think it's time someone at 2K just admits that this is happening now. Games are not balanced.

If you are chosen to win, you will almost certainly win. If you are chosen to lose, nothing you try to do will save you this year.

[sk8board]

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Agreed. 2k lets you be happy for a while then they try to make you buy packs by inducing rage. Anger makes people do crazy things like spend real money on a game they already paid $60 for. 2k should just make the game free to play. Then those of us who spent $60 on the game couldn't say anything because we didn't pay for the game.

So you won you're last 17 straight?

[ihoopfor206]

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I have a 90-20 record in mto. Does 2k decide that?


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[Yukk]

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I dunno about that bro. I got all diamond lineup and thought so soo BUT................i got to amythest league doing back down cheese and had no issues....diamond league wasn't working at all...got bumped to amythest and ruby also stopped working.. I change my startegy and run more plays now, back to diamond league now blowing people away. Im convinced that once you get to high tier leagues and get bumped down, your difficulty level remains but thats about it.

As you move up in ranks difficulty goes up, which means those hook shots or drop steps you used to make will go in a lot less......even shooting is lowered, period. You think its bad in Ruby, wait till you get to diamond...It is what it is, just gotta adjust but its not pre determined from tip off. NOw, is there equalizer? Absolutely!!!!! Normally starts like crazy in 3rd quater. You can somewhat stop it by calling time outs but you don't get an L at tip off and there is nothing you can do. I had a game go into double OT last night....dude was really good, i was down by 8 in the 3rd quarter and it was such an even game i didn't think i was gonna catch up. He was good on D too. Ended up being up by 4 at the beginning of 4th and then we went to 2 Ots. I lost on the last shot by Ewing. My point is, there is definitely equalizer where you get blocked none stop loose the ball and miss dunks. Gotta play through that by calling timeouts and controlling the pace of the game . It is what it is...its not going away. What helped me when i was in the similar situation as you is try to switch up your offense where you run 2 or 3 free lance offenses since if you call same plays over and over cpu adjusts/they stop working to stop same play spam cheese.

[Hustle Westbrook]

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Come on now, you don't really believe this do you? I definitely believe there's a momentum system in the game but 2K deciding who wins at tip-off? Nah.

[EarvGotti]

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Like Westbrook said, there is momentum in the game but the winner is not decided by 2k.

I have about 300 wins and only 70 losses in MTO. Managing the momentum of the game with timeouts is extremely crucial.

[Foldzy]

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Like Westbrook said, there is momentum in the game but the winner is not decided by 2k.

I have about 300 wins and only 70 losses in MTO. Managing the momentum of the game with timeouts is extremely crucial.

agreed although it does play a significant factor especially if you don't know how to manage it. I just wish we'd get our match ups based on league only, I want to use my good cards, but it is too much easier to rack up wins with emeralds/sapphires

[Mweemwee]

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Come on now, you don't really believe this do you? I definitely believe there's a momentum system in the game but 2K deciding who wins at tip-off? Nah.

I honestly believe, as I and countless others have noticed this year and last, that some games are 100% set for one person to win. I also believe that if you don't purchase packs (like me, I never have) that 2K punishes you for this and makes it nearly impossible for you to advance past a certain stage.

Again, I'm talking as someone who has a decent winning record so I have no reason to lie.

I have a 90-20 record in mto. Does 2k decide that?


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well I had a 100% winning record and now hold a 65% winning record, so I'm not just a scrub saying this...

[Mweemwee]

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Momentum is definitely there too I'm not denying that, but I'm talking games where every single wide open shot by guys like Curry miss and I shoot 30%. Perfect plays, perfectly wide open, perfectly released, no lag etc. And then the other guy makes contested terrible shots all game shooting over 60%.

Ben Wallace with 88 speed (not bad) besting guys with 90 speed up court on about 20 possessions in one game and shooting 100% on contested 17/18 footers etc. And this is all from tip-off, it's not a switch that's turned on in the 3rd quarter.

Maybe 2k aren't exactly deciding who wins at tip off, but they are definitely massively pushing it in one persons favour on certain games and you have to play like an absolute cyborg doing a high wire juggling act in order to even stay close.

[Foldzy]

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I don't think it ever actually decides the game 100% there are things you can do to fight it. It can definately build frustration and force you into mistakes you wouldn't normally make though. It's much like life, you can't control what happens to you you can only control your reaction to it.

At this point it's no longer a question of "if" it is happening, it's happening. This many people wouldn't be reporting it if it wasn't a thing. I think it effects lower skilled/fast paced players more as it's easier to force them out of control. Most online players (me included) run a lot of fast breaks and this is where most of the nonsense happens, I think if you slow it down and focus on playcalling and smart basketball your chances of battling through it will go up

[ihoopfor206]

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I don't think it ever actually decides the game 100% there are things you can do to fight it. It can definately build frustration and force you into mistakes you wouldn't normally make though. It's much like life, you can't control what happens to you you can only control your reaction to it.

At this point it's no longer a question of "if" it is happening, it's happening. This many people wouldn't be reporting it if it wasn't a thing. I think it effects lower skilled/fast paced players more as it's easier to force them out of control. Most online players (me included) run a lot of fast breaks and this is where most of the nonsense happens, I think if you slow it down and focus on playcalling and smart basketball your chances of battling through it will go up

Exactly. Walk up and call a smart play. Or figure out a play that you have good success with and let go of the sprint button and make deliberate passes and take a good shot. That's all you can do. A lot of people get frustrated and start going faster and that causes more frustration. Never meant to or did imply you were a scrub OP. Just saying I feel a lot of handicapping and "2k deciding" is mental.


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[Mweemwee]

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Exactly. Walk up and call a smart play. Or figure out a play that you have good success with and let go of the sprint button and make deliberate passes and take a good shot. That's all you can do. A lot of people get frustrated and start going faster and that causes more frustration. Never meant to or did imply you were a scrub OP. Just saying I feel a lot of handicapping and "2k deciding" is mental.


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it's all good. I have been dominating since I made this post and I wonder now whether I just hit a mental wall before...

I think the momentum is definitely too strong , but I'm not so convinced that games are decided

[Foldzy]

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I think a lot of people's problems come from "pushing the pace" the entire game. I think when A.C.E. takes that away it results in a ton of sloppy turnovers. We are trained to play that way in domination, but my #1 piece of advice for anyone that is really struggling with the equalizer is to slow the pace of the game down.

[ihoopfor206]

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it's all good. I have been dominating since I made this post and I wonder now whether I just hit a mental wall before...

I think the momentum is definitely too strong , but I'm not so convinced that games are decided

I think it's strong too but basketball is a game of runs and it has to be represented in less time. Not decided. I get mental blocks too. That's why I usually will puff a little bit before playing. Stress makes me worse. A lot worse.


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[landman2069]

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Well just last night the timberwolves went on a 20-3 4th quarter burst to get back in the game against the Knicks to force Carmelo to make a shot to win. Guess there is equalizer coming from Adam Silver's NBA office too...


Just kidding but I have experienced a similar amount of this too. I will have 2 straight games of complete domination where computer defense is amazing and offense flows perfectly. Then next game nothing works. People are open all over and I miss completely wide open shots off of set plays or freelance. One game my opponent hit 3 fadeaway contested 3's where I worried about if my controlled player would get called for the foul. That was right after my Ruby curry and Hudson just blew 2 wide open ones. Maybe it is the smallest possible lag in the connection with the new opponent or not. I don't know but it seems fishy.


I switch my lineups so I don't have my players shots down perfectly. I understand that and expect to miss a lot. The full white bar misses when I am getting A rated shots while seeing my opponent make crap multiple times is what gets me mad. I wish there was more incentive to use different lineups than what we have. Maybe bonus wins for using all gold or higher MT earnings.


I refuse to call timeouts even when I am up 15 then 10 then 5 etc. because I hate that the game is forcing me to do that. I should just call timeouts after they score 5 unanswered points. I would win more.


I get sucked into racing up the floor and thowing a bad pass leading to turnovers when my opponents turbo button is stuck on also. Part of that is I am so tired of turboing back with my center only to still have it be a footrace back. All that leads me to playing helter skelter and sloppy. I don't have fun and generally get mad. Win some but lose some.


I gave up going for the diamond shoes because it seemed like as I got closer the computer made something happen to cause me to lose one. I get tired of having to waste games and time just to reset so I can start over. Once I have proven I can stay in the seed by winning where it asks if I want to advance it should allow me the option to just restart anytime. Why is it wasting my time and contracts for no reward just to try to stay in a seed? That is BS to me.


I recently went to a pure garbage all point guard lineup of the smallest possible players like spud webb, muggsy bouges at center etc. just to see if I could win a few on the rest of the way. Surprising how close you can stay. I also did an all centers lineup and win a few. If I lose out on the seed and get knocked down I will try to win the top reward for real then I guess.


It is a video game and not realistic. I have to remind myself that. It is irritating when some young punk gets on the mike acting like they are gods gift to NBA2k17 just cuz they are beating me by 15 when nothing is working like normal. They are the same ones who quit before halftime if they are getting trounced. That isn't enjoyable to me. I play with the volume off most of the time actually now. It is better that way.


Sure wish that 2k would just own up to the stuff they are doing so we know. They say so little about this game and how to do it that it is frustrating to a casual user. Oh well I guess I am the sucker for spending more money than I should have to field a competitive team. I am done now though for sure. Will play with what I have and if I don't play then I probably will save myself some frustration too.