Do you Feel MLB uses enough ATTRIBUTES to DEFINE Players?

[RicoLaguna]

I have always been a big believer that one of a sports game's highest priorities for success is defining team and player differences (Skills, styles, behaviors) to create the most exciting, organic and realistic atmosphere in the game play.

This is what keeps the game always fun and interesting to play once all the gloss of the new graphics and features wear off. Its these things that keep u coming back to play more and its also these things that immerse you deeper into the Franchise

So my question that I always wanted to open for discussion with all you here at OS was....

Do you think that The Show, with all its focus for authenticity and realism, actually does enough to define player individuality with the included RATINGS and ATTRIBUTES that they have been using each year?

In comparison, you look at a game like NBA 2K, and they literally have a player profile that is several pages deep that define a player's likeness.

What do you guys think?.....Do they do enough, or could they add even more attributes?....if so, in what areas?

[Caulfield]

Re: Do you Feel MLB uses enough ATTRIBUTES to DEFINE Players?

Maybe pitchers need a couple more, and catchers maybe one for pitch framing, but I dont think we need a whole heap more.

[Jeffrey Smith]

Re: Do you Feel MLB uses enough ATTRIBUTES to DEFINE Players?

Would definitely love to have a pitch framing rating for catchers. And a better rating system for managers and coaches.

[zman2392]

Re: Do you Feel MLB uses enough ATTRIBUTES to DEFINE Players?

One thing I would like is pitching vs LHP or RHP. I know we have batter ratings for that but a stat for pitching would really nail bullpen logic and LOOGY's.

[dran1984]

Re: Do you Feel MLB uses enough ATTRIBUTES to DEFINE Players?

They need to adjust the durability attribute and create a injury attribute. They are not the same thing. They also could add a pitch framing attribute as was already mentioned.

I would like the players to match up to their real counter parts more accurately then they currently do. A lot of the current attributes for things like fielding and arm strength tend to be inaccurate.

[dran1984]

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Would definitely love to have a pitch framing rating for catchers. And a better rating system for managers and coaches.

This has to be one of the most annoying things in the game. Managers and coaches have no effect on a players arm strength or things like that. That's just plain dumb. So many of the top rated managers/coaches have low ratings in the game.

Maybe they could add an IQ attribute for the players and allow the coaches to slightly influence intangibles or something like that.

[jgb3]

Do you Feel MLB uses enough ATTRIBUTES to DEFINE Players?

Off the top of my head, the current power rating is massively flawed as it governs both extra base hits and home runs. This has serious downside.

For example, Jose Ramirez was an XBH machine in 2016 - only Daniel Murphy had more 2B and 3B . And yet, Ramirez only hit 11 homers in 2016. He needs a power rating that can govern his relative inability to hit home runs and his relative knack for the extra base knock. The current power rating definition does not allow room for both of these extremes to exist. If he has a power rating of 70, he will hit far too many homers. And if he has a power rating of anything less, he will hit too few xbh.


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[kehlis]

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This has to be one of the most annoying things in the game. Managers and coaches have no effect on a players arm strength or things like that. That's just plain dumb. So many of the top rated managers/coaches have low ratings in the game.

Maybe they could add an IQ attribute for the players and allow the coaches to slightly influence intangibles or something like that.

Managers don't have any effect on a pitchers arm strength and they shouldn't in the game either.

[RicoLaguna]

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Arent some players in real baseball more streaky hitters whereas some are more consistent from game to game, month to month. Is this somehow simulated/influenced within the game....or is it just random dice roll?

I know there is alot of data that supports certain players are hot early in the year while others seem to start out cold and finish off hotter, ect.

Maybe some sort of "Hitting Biorhythm Chart" in their player card where this could be captured and viewed would be cool

[bcruise]

Re: Do you Feel MLB uses enough ATTRIBUTES to DEFINE Players?

I'm not saying that I wouldn't like to see a change in the attribute system at some point. But keep in mind that any change to the attribute system more than likely nulls carry-over saves. It might theoretically be possible to add the new attributes to existing MLB players (in the same way that they update facescans and such each year). But there would be no way to add new attributes to generated, drafted players specific to a carry-over franchise other than random (which would be bad).

When SCEA committed to carryover saves, it's pretty likely they knew the attribute system wasn't going to be changing for a while.

[Caulfield]

Re: Do you Feel MLB uses enough ATTRIBUTES to DEFINE Players?

I'm not saying that I wouldn't like to see a change in the attribute system at some point. But keep in mind that any change to the attribute system more than likely nulls carry-over saves. It might theoretically be possible to add the new attributes to existing MLB players (in the same way that they update facescans and such each year). But there would be no way to add new attributes to generated, drafted players specific to a carry-over franchise other than random (which would be bad).

When SCEA committed to carryover saves, it's pretty likely they knew the attribute system wasn't going to be changing for a while.

I just figured the rating would be zero, or 50, or whatever default number.

[Jeffrey Smith]

Re: Do you Feel MLB uses enough ATTRIBUTES to DEFINE Players?

Off the top of my head, the current power rating is massively flawed as it governs both extra base hits and home runs. This has serious downside.

For example, Jose Ramirez was an XBH machine in 2016 - only Daniel Murphy had more 2B and 3B . And yet, Ramirez only hit 11 homers in 2016. He needs a power rating that can govern his relative inability to hit home runs and his relative knack for the extra base knock. The current power rating definition does not allow room for both of these extremes to exist. If he has a power rating of 70, he will hit far too many homers. And if he has a power rating of anything less, he will hit too few xbh.


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Maybe the new ball physics will help influence xbh without the need to adjust any power rating.

[BigOscar]

Re: Do you Feel MLB uses enough ATTRIBUTES to DEFINE Players?

It has most of it down imo, but there are still a few things they could do.

Separation of stamina and injury proneness.

RH/LH splits for pitchers

Some kind of indication as to what sort of hitter they are, categories like power swing/line drive hitter/slap hitter etc. So players could have high power but not be big home run threats. (I'm pretty sure different swings have these already, but the game just doesn't tell you)

Baserunning skill, similar to fielding, goes with speed to determine how well players judge when to take extra bases and how well they round or slide into bases.

Pitcher ground ball/fly ball tendency

[nemesis04]

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I think some of the player individuality gets lost because the categories are too broad and not position specific. Fielding for instance is broad and I think some positions need to be broken down further to accurately define the player. For example range is important for a shortstop and some players are not equal going to their left or right and this piece is lost in defining the player.

[JaFFiTh]

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One thing I would love to do.. which I believe the older sports games used to do. You could input the season stats yourself especially for the minor leaguers (with MLE) and have them automatically revise it into attributes and have them play the way stats shows. Something along the lines.

I remember NHL 94 and Tony LaRussa 2 had something like that. U just input the stats (current or last 3 years or whatever) and they play the way stats shows. Lots of double, triples whatever. Better SB percentage (they are way too high in the show).. would be awesome I think. Saves us time trying to figure out the formula for whatever.

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